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So a quick question for the ladies over here ..do you care about how your man should look? Do you have strict specific requirements for your man to be attractive in terms of his physical appearance? For example a beard ,muscles, a cool haircut, fancy clothes etc...or do you care more about personality? I'm curious because for us men ..it's almost 99,99999% about the looks lol ? I know that looks can only take you so far. that's really all i can say. they don't really mean much when there's no personality to go along with them. For guys ..what's more important is taking care of yourself. a little hygiene and grooming will show that you care about your appearance. that is a turn on. Women will engage in a relationship with a clean cut, funny, humble 5 over a vapid 10 any day.

Yes .the other epistemic metrics are important but I'm solely focusing here on Occam’s razor . Not sure why you think It has less potent explanatory power? It simply says if the same phenomenon could be explained by less assumptions then there is no need to explain it with an explanation that requires more assumptions.

The brain is a part of consciousness So, your question properly rephrased is: "How can we be sure that consciousness is not generated by consciousness?" And the answer is that consciousness IS generated by consciousness, it's a strange loop. In fact, consciousness is the only thing that can generate anything. Consciousness = existence In other words, consciousness generates itself, or you could also say consciousness is made of nothing. You can't verify what effects your supposed brain have on you.. By that time you would be dead or in coma. Forget about your own brain. You never saw your brain.. You never did.. And you never will. Reality is just one seamless whole. Ultimately it doesn't matter if materialism is correct partially about the brain. But what is hidden in your question is substance-dualism. There is only one fucking substance out of which everything is made. Could it be otherwise?. What is substance-dualism?.??? Well That reality is split into two different substances. One is the appearances or phenomenon or consciousness or qualia (this stuff right here)..which is a second order emergence from the essence which is matter. That matter has no phenomenonolgical qualities. It's not conscious yet it gives arise to consciousness. Notice the absurdity? Consciousness is simply everything and anything. This is Consciousness. That is consciousness. You are consciousness. The brain is consciousness. Anything you think or possibly doubt in a million years that isn't consciousness IS fucking consciousness... Tada! And it can't be "defined" because there is nothing which is not consciousness to define consciousness in terms of it. That's why it's a mystery.

@Ezo OK. Apology accepted.

@Ezo you keep posting the same stupid line "you are dreaming occam's razor "without further explanation. OK fine ..I'm ignorant and deluded .spare me your intelligence. I don't need it .thank you very much .

@Ezo stop shit-posting.

bro what's up? Ofcourse we can't be sure.. Don't be silly..... But Think of it this way.. The brain can't be generating your experience.. What you call "the brain" is itself an experience.. You can't say that this" piece of meat" is what is causing experience because that piece of meat IS an experience. Ponder this.... What should be generating the experience from outside can't be an experience . It becomes strange loop. The brain which is an appearance in consciousness generated consciousness which is itself!!!! In both cases there is a mysterious fucking thing there that was generated by nothing. Nothing found inside of your experience can be the cause of your experience from outside. Just like if you are playing a video game... The cause of the entire video game world which is the PS device can't be found inside the video game world. It's like looking at your own body with a microscope.. Sure you will find some cells and atoms in there.. But those themselves are phenomenon within your experience aka consciousness.. You can't say that atoms or brains are generating consciousness.. Because atoms and brains ARE consciousness. U dig that lol?

I think you misunderstand Occam’s razor. It basically says that if there are multiple explanations for something, the one that is simpler is usually the best one, or at least the one to start with. Another way to put it, the more assumptions, the more unlikely the the hypotheses. It doesn't say ignore the other ideas. One thing that can happen over time is that for some of the hypotheses, the assumptions may be reduced. Assumptions, in this context, are things we don't know, but may learn at as our knowledge expands. So spiral dynamics is a model that does NOT follow occam's razor as you stated .therefore its falty and has its own limitations because it seems to lie purely in the realm of speculation and therefore have little correspondence with verifiable fact. By verifiable fact, I mean repeatable experimental results expressed as a probability that predictions based upon them will agree with what actually happens. It (spiral dynamics)provides little or no means to link ideas with observable reality. This simply means that their veracity cannot be reliably stated and not whether they are in any degree correct or incorrect. However, this lack of verifiability as well as a means of falsification, places them in the realm of conjecture no matter how plausible or compelling they may seem. So actually the model would be more accurate if we replaced it with a spectrum from low consciousness to high consciousness.

The only unchanging thing is change itself

@Carl-Richard I never said that occam's razor is the only epistemic criteria to discern truth. But I think its the most effective. And of course the most simplistic. You will notice it always..the simplest explanation is usually the best. The use of the word “simplicity” here may be misleading.by “simplicity” i don’t mean illogical or absurd simplicity, such as saying, “It was just magic,” but rather a logical hypothesis which makes the fewest assumptions, or posits the fewest number of necessary explanatory entities ( things, beings, causal mechanisms) If you wake up in the morning to find your lawn wet, you are probably more likely to attribute the wetness to rain or dew than to a giant sentient ice cube with legs that stomped through your neighborhood, leaving a trail of water in its wake. And yeah ..we don't need matter at all to explain reality .reality is not made out of physical "stuff ". People have never experienced stuff .they just experienced their five senses and mistakenly call it "matter "because they didn't know any better . I now have more confidence in that everything is made of consciousness. And there isn't an external material objective universe outside of consciousness. And I explained it in my other thread here ,take a look if you're interested:

@Ramu pardon them .I myself was a hard nosed materialist when I first began this journey towards truth. And it took me multiple awakening experiences to shake the materialist paradigm off. Leo's videos were the most helpful. Especially his deleted episode on solipsism.

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@JoeVolcano cheers ?

@JoeVolcano agreed ?. Occam's razor states that when given two explanations or competing theories that make the same predictions for the same thing, the simpler one is usually the correct one. And so when we look at possible explanations for the existence of the universe ..you can say there are multiple possibilities..either there is a separate deity who have created it ..or it emerged through the big bang ..or it's a simulation in some computer software behind the scenes..but notice that all these explanations are not the simplest .because you have to explain where the deity came from..or where did the big bang come from ..or where does the computer who's rendering the simulation came from . The simplest explanation is simply that reality itself is its own cause .its eternal. We can't get more fundamental than appearances.

No .actually the majority of people are buying into the materialist paradigm. They think that consciousness is an emerging phenomenon from brain activity and they think its located in your head behind the eyes somewhere In the middle of the skull .and not much people know that consciousness is universal or that every object is made of consciousness.

@ScholarWe go with the simplest explanation that covers all the facts. Any time we take a more complicated explanation, it's because the simpler ones, contradicted by rogue facts, don't work. If we abandoned the Razor, then we would have an infinite number of answers to every question, and no way to choose between them. If you had a quarter on your seat a moment ago, and now it's gone, and there's nobody else around, then there are a very few explanations that you will entertain: Maybe it fell off the seat, and you can find it by looking underneath. Maybe it slid under your leg, and you can find it by standing up. Without Occam, you must also consider these possibilities: 1.All the other coins in the world have just disappeared too, and nobody will ever know why. And every time you check another coin to see if this hypothesis is correct, that coin will reappear just long enough to fool you. 2.God did it. 3.An invisible man did it. 4.Somebody wished for a quarter, and yours was the one. 5.The coin is still there, but light has decided to bend around it. 6.The coin is still there, but you've been hypnotized not to see it. 7.When you put the coin down, the side facing up was heads. That was the sixteenth time you got heads, so the Illuminati took the coin so that you won't notice that they've been messing with statistics. 8.One of the pins is corroded, so your connection to the Matrix is failing. And on and on forever, with no way of one explanation more probable than another.

It is actually very valid .if something or some phenomenon could be explained by one step ..why use two steps to explain it if it can be explained by just one ? Therefore the simplest explanation is the truest. It says that (on average) the simplest solution is most likely to be correct. But sometimes, of course, the complex solution is the correct one. So for example.. note that Creationism fails Occam’s Razor. “God did it” isn’t the simplest solution, because that would require either that God deliberately designed the world to lie to us and provide millions upon millions of pieces of strong evidence for evolution in order to fool us, or that millions upon millions of scientists have been engaged in a vast conspiracy to deceive the world, for well over 100 years. Both of these are far more involved and improbable than “The world is what the evidence indicates it to be. So both evolution, and a separate deity/God..or even the big bang theory are all unnecessary to explain reality . We don't need an explanation at all .the simplest explanation is that there is none . The present moment is pure uncaused magic .

Yes .seeking perpetuates the ego . Enlightenment' tends to be a notion that has been accepted through time/thought and the self clings to the idea and pursues that idea/notion. So the destination seems to become more important than the exploration/observation. The destination corrupts the exploration/observation. Looking for a way out means I am not interested in the exploration/observation but instead to outcome of a self that “becomes enlightened”(psychological safety). We seem to take in ideas from the past(thought) and pursue those ideas to become something other than what we are that moment(escape). We seek what we have learned about enlightenment to end our pain, suffering, discontent. This itself is why we suffer. We are always looking to time (future) to solve psychological issues and that seems to be the root of those issues. We dis identify with what-is actually presently and we seek the idea, which is psychological evolution(time). We disidentify with “our experiences” which is the same as identifying with them. It’s in both cases a “movement of me/the chooser.

@axiom Though the spiritual path can involve suffering .. sometimes intense suffering .. it is also a path to happiness and fulfilment which are truly beyond imagining. The path is real and so are the rewards, but one must pursue it with an unreasonable amount of passion, discernment and devotion. Then again, it’s not that difficult when you accept that the alternative is to remain in the dull loop of ordinary human existence as most of us experience it for the rest of your life. Thanks but I don't think so .

So far all of my openers suck and make me look cringe-worthy. Through trial and error, I discovered that Stuff like " I think you are beautiful " should be said in the middle of the conversation not as an opener .it gives you this simp vibe. what is the best openers to say when you approach a girl? Let's imagine this scenario ..you are out and about in a mall or something and you see this cute girl passing by ..what is the first thing to utter to her ? And when exactly should you ask for her number ? In the beginning of your conversation or at the end when you are wrapping up ? Thanks.

The “spiritual path” promises a lot ..for example some people are searching for “the kingdom of heaven”, others for “enlightenment”. One thing for sure is that being on this journey takes courage at times we can seem utterly blind or ignorant and leave ourselves confused, open and vulnerable. Recognising this, you do not have to accept what is written in this thread ..however, hopefully you are able to read with an open mind. My personal spiritual journey started when I started working with a life coach. I then found the personal development and spirituality sections of the book store and I was hooked. Something clicked, and I have had the chance to listen to many influential speakers and explore many books relating to spirituality. I feel that I am on a spiritual path, but sometimes still get confused listening to others and find it hard to communicate what it really means. I have come across many people referring to spirituality and the spiritual path. Here are some of the more common things I have seen described as spirituality: “Finding Meaning”, “Love and Gratitude”, “Channeling and talking with Spirit/beyond”, “Being Here and Now”, “Dissolving the Ego”, “Eternal Life”, “A celebration of Life”, “Finding God”, “A journey into Self-Realisation” or “Yoga and meditation”. It could be said that the spiritual path is all of the above, yet none of them. This is the most difficult part .. those who talk about spirituality can be contradictory and paradoxical. The reason why the spiritual path can be described as none of them is because they are concepts of the mind which themselves cannot be “real”. In fact, the so-called enlightened masters tell us that anything of the mind cannot be real. Therefore, the above statements can only be signposts to something beyond .. something deeper and more profound than how most of us think of ourselves. The spiritual path seems to start in a world of confusion, endless distractions and deep pain. However, in my experience, knowing you are on a spiritual path .. no matter where you are .. gives you a certain feeling, a deep sense of trust, a sense that you are being looked after, a sense that everything really is ok.

It certainly can be misunderstood .if you want to know how you can prove the Earth is flat using Occam’s Razor? Do you want to prove God is the reason for everything in the Universe? Do you want to refute Einstein’s theories without knowing anything other than high-school physics? Use Occam's razor . But that's not what I'm doing here .I'm giving the most extreme use of the razor. Reality exists and has no explanation. We don't need a separate God outside of reality creating it. Reality is self-explanatory. That's the simplest explanation possible.

From Leo's blog :https://www.actualized.org/insights/absolute-presence-immortality "Imagine becoming so absolutely present in your consciousness that you could not die because you are too present for a past or future to enter your mind. No birth. No death. Just absolute consciousness. If you could achieve such a level of presence, you would literally become immortal. What if death was nothing other than the story in your mind that "I will die"? How would you know the difference between "real death" and your story of it? What if that difference is itself a story? What would happen if you never again had the thought that you were born and never again had the thought that you will die? "But Leo! If I do that, then I'll die!" Will you? Is this just philosophy, or is this actually possible? ". I realized a possible explanation for this ..if all you have is the present moment..and the future is something you are imagining by definition..and since death exists only in the future..therefore death is imaginary. You can indeed see people die in your life. But everyone can die except you. This realization requires insane degrees of open-mindedness and cosmic skepticism. Or otherwise it won't make much sense . The universe might end this very second..that's a fact. You can't prove that everything won't just disappear.. boom gone this very second. No you can't. You want to believe it can't. But it most certainly can. What the fuck is holding everything together anyways?.. In fact, The universe might suddenly disappear completely in a blink of an eye for no reason at all. Reality is an illusion .solidity is a dream. This means that the only certain thing in existence is what's happening right fucking NOW.!. The past and the future are completely imaginary and unreal . Don't underestimate the power of this fact .you think you've got it but you don't. When you get it you will be left speechless in awe . When you fully understand this you might want to consider to let go of a lot of bullshit that you believe. Thanks @Leo Gura for opening my mind to such possibilities.

First time hearing of him .I'm gonna search him .