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We are all addicts .. Just to different things . There is a deep hole that addicts desperately try to futilely fill with food or money or drugs or alcohol or sex or good reputation or fame or any externals. i call that a "spiritual hole" that those addicts(including myself)are trying to fill with externals and bodily comforts and indulgences... but it can never be filled with such things. The more you try to fill that hole with such things..the hungrier you will get. The hole gets deeper the more you chase or catch externals. The more you feed it..the deeper and hungrier it gets. In that way.. the greedy always starve. They starve themselves by feeding themselves. I'm not just talking about literal food here.. but any externals or bodily feelings including money..wealth..your reputation ..sex.. alcohol.. gambling..cigarettes(which Is my biggest addiction)..i say Anyone who attempts to obtain happiness and/or fulfillment via such things will be miserable and have an ever-deepening ever-hungrier hole that makes them continuesly miserable and sad and depressed. Nothing finite will ever fully fulfil you .because you are infinite. Your desire is infinite . Consider for example that the porn content online is technically endless..and yet the more you watch porn the more you want to watch more . Contemplate this guys .

@Bazooka Jesus ?!

Of course. It starts in the body part which is hurt . This supports my side not yours .

Well..as I said in OP I want to live a happy life . And it seems to me that happiness is impossible in this world . I mentioned some of the unperfect stupidity in God's design of this world. So..I simply want to understand why we must experience pain? What is the existential role that pain plays in God's design? I mean come the fuck on...God is all powerfull and can spawn endless flowery heavens in a snap if he wants yet he chooses this hell-hole called this world?..something is wrong. Even when everything seems like we should be happy.. we are not

Because What people who don’t suffer from depression or extreme physical condition like @Bubadon’t seem to understand how physically painful it is. It feels walking around with a broken heart every day all day . So stop judging and criticising while living a cushy luxurious life ..go to Africa or see Palestinians suffering.

@Bazooka Jesus why so unserious?

Go look it up in the dictionary. Could be Any part . Tooth ache ..stomach ache ..testicles ache ..etc Yup.

a bad feeling in the body .

And why is life better than death? Still doesn't answer the question. After along time experiencing pain and depression over and over again for many years and also trying to suicide I realise that sometimes we don't want to die..it's more like we want to end the pain. So pain is worse than death .therefore sometimes death is better than living a miserable life .and sometimes life is very fucking paniful . Your digestive disease is a lil taste . Some people like @Buba got it really fucked up.

@Michael569 please help this guy out if you have knowledge about this specific disease. Thanks This thread broke my heart .

Look..God =infinity. Hopefully we agree on that . Now what are the ramifications of infinity ? Two contradictory outcomes ..: 1- there must be pain as a possibility..otherwise infinity would be finite. 2-there must be no pain whatsoever as a possibility..otherwise infinity would be finite . A paradox. A huge contradiction that touches the whole notion of infinity and put it under question. How reconcile this paradox?

@ici stop kidding around. I'm asking sincerely and looking for something that clicks in my mind to understand this . Why the hell do MUST EXPERIENCE PAIN? "How we know pleasure without pain " is such a cliche. If reality or god is endless then sure he can create a reality that is endless joy without a shred of pain.

Sure ..if reality is infinite it must include pain ..otherwise it would be limited. But guess what ..If reality was infinite ..then it must be a possibility for there not being pain at all . That's the paradox of infinity . God is said to be all good and loving and Merciful in all religions and mystical traditions..how can that be when this motherfucker is watching what's happening in Palestine and doesn't do shit to stop it ? He actually the creator of it !.

Just to provoke some thoughts . The Truth is of course you are God dreaming its everything. A dream within a dream with no beginning or end .

No . Stories are essential for survival .you couldn't have human life without em. Imagine living as an empty headed nobody who abandoned society and just begging for bread on the streets ...you will end up like that without Stories. When you interact in society with other human chimps who are also not awake and deeply stuck in the matrix just like you..you have to practice etiquette and play by the social matrix's rules . Without Stories you couldn't sleep at night..because you need an ontological bedrock of assumptions that it's safe to drift off .as an atheist myself..I don't have that . And I suffer from insomnia. Do you know that deeply religious people are more happy than secular people? There has been studies done on thar.

@Nemra what's infinity minus one btw ?

@Nemra I was about to tell a joke about infinity ..but then i realised it never ends

Multiply by infinity

@Bazooka Jesus so what's your alternative? Do you have the nerve to claim you live without "a story "? I mean we don't nesscary need to squeeze goats testicles or read the tarot or any woo woo myths to believe in ....but at least since you are not awake you believe you are a human chimp living on a rock that orbits around the sun in the middle of nowhere...

Haha that's an exception for the rule . It seems like a Sine wave function (Google what that is because I don't have time to explain it here)..I say there is an ebb and rising to the maturity function. Kids cry over candy . Teenagers cry over video games. Adults cry over money or their spouse cheating on them. Etc but it seems like when you pass through a certain threshold (like 70 years old ) that you become like a kid again.

@StarStruck all living beings are a mistake in evolution by natural selection. You are decaying every single day and getting close to the grave ...but because you feed your body you stay alive. If you were a rock you would decay faster because rocks have inertia. You have no right to live ..because your life depends on other creatures' life . Life is a design of a sadistic motherfucker.

Good question. I would say it depends on the person's maturity. A slob teenager will cry like a coward if his dad took his PlayStation out. But a mature person is OK with most of his life . Maturity usually comes with age and life experiences. My theory is that the older you get the more you become able to experience unconditional happiness that isn't contingent on external conditions.

@UnbornTao that's hedonism not happiness . I agree tho that We don't need to abstract off and theorizing about what happiness means. I can Actually go back in my past and remember my experiences of happiness..but Weren't they linked to specific things (maybe getting high grades.. Buying new iPad.. Getting new friends etc)... Now a hedonist will argue that you just keep doing more and more of these good feeling activities and that's basically what a happy life is! Do you agree ? As long as this "message " is making you happy then go for it . You are on the right track . Don't listen to naysayers.

@Princess Arabia been reading /listening/watching Jim Newman..Tony Parsons ..Anna Brown as of late ?

As long as you are a human rat you will keep running hunting the carrot..you will chase pleasure and escape from pain..this does not ever change. Even enlightened folks need to eat ,shit ,and fuck..But the difference is that they are deep down aware that its all for nothing at the end . To be in a state of 24/7 bliss and ecstasy is something that does not seem realistic to me . Even Jesus suffered on the cross . This is spiritual nonsense to say the ego will be in bliss. However..the ego is inside bliss . Bliss is the substratum of existence. Its the background of the ego. The ego appears inside this bliss in the background . But the ego will never be blissful eternally .unless you disidentify with the ego completely and identify as bliss ...but that's called death.