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Sure .I already mentioned that . Do this experiment or challenge: ..from waking up in the morning until you go to bed at night ..spend the whole day doing nothing but basic biological needs like eating and drinking etc..don't distract yourself with anything at all..don't run your mindless daily routine of seeking pleasure ..just sit and be at peace . Watch what will happen. 😊

@Monster Energy I agree but the issue is this requires deep consciousness and wisdom to grasp..and don't assume that most people are aware of this . People define heaven or perfection as having everything their ego wants ..whereas highly Conscious people define it as what is .

You say you've got all your practical life handled and you don't have ambition..then I see no problem from the absolute perspective you can just sit and exist . It might be a trap if someone is justifying his laziness and lack of taking action by adopting the attitude of just sitting and doing nothing .I do want to do that sometimes but obviously NOT all the time because we are programed to seek and do stuff ..but we know that at the end there is nothing but being .

It's a paradox not a mistake or contradiction . They call it the Gateless Gate or the Groundless Ground . No substance or ground to reality is the same thing as saying the substance is Nothingness or Infinity . The word "consciousness " does seem problematic if you mean consciousness in the conventional sense like being awake or alert and perceiving things like right now vs being unconcious like when you are in deep sleep. What spiritual people call "consciousness " is not perception..its another word for Nothingness or Infinity.

To make sense of such questions we need to boil the question down to what are we really asking here ? Your room in a dream is certainly just an appearance rendered directly by your mind and has no reality from the outside ..granted that we agree on the nature of dreams ..nighttime dreams . Similarly a room in a video game like Minecraft is being rendered on the fly . What you are really asking is what's the nature of this experience right now right here ? Start there .investigate your direct experience and test it .

@Hojo no worries sorry if I was rude .Its just not clicking for me what you're saying .

No idea what you're talking about . Cut the edginess and smartassery please . Lessen the paradoxes and avoid ambiguity. I'm not interested in mad talk .

To give a concerte example which might make the conversation easier : Water boils at 100 Celsius. We call that something which we know objectively. Is this independent of you holding this idea in your mind ? Is objectivity happening within subjectivity or the other way around? I hope the question is clear 😅

@Hojo what ?

No . I woke up this morning for something completely out of my control. If you sleep and never wake up..what is that called ? Death . The only reason existence exists as forms is because of the existence of the formless .deep sleep is formlessness and this experience right now is form. If I ask why is there something rather than nothing ?..its because there is nothing that there can be something. Try this experiment..sleep-deprive for a whole week ..zero sleep ..this is the result: you will realize that this moment right now is NOT existence or something Ness or consciousness. Why ? Because without sleeping and erasing all experience you can't have its opposite. Without nothingness there cannot be something Ness.

Forget about thoughts for now ..whats so special about a thought which makes it more tricky to define than a cheeseburger? It's a matter of the metaphysics of definition and what is isness itself regardless of its content ? A thing is a thing is a thing is a thing . Define a thought as electricity in the brain ..OK so what's a brain ? An object .. OK so what's an object ? A thing .. What's a thing ? Reality is made out of itself.

@LastThursday if you might engage me for a sec ... We are born ( assumption but let me start somewhere)as blank slate..(ditch genetics and biology for now )..we are born knowing literally nothing at all . We accumulate knowledge via our senses ..and via external sources..even your reasoning right now is NOT 100% coming from "YOU" ..simply because YOU are just awareness..all ideas about logic..mathematics..scientific facts ..logical deductions ..etc ..is coming to you from your environment. Then how is it possible to know anything with 100% originality ? It seems like direct sensory experience is the only way. But if we agree on that ..then the question arises : okay so what exactly is THIS? Where did it come from and where is it going ? Maybe these themselves are assumptions which are NOT found in direct experience. But then that means THIS is just here and full stop . I have no proplem with this (until past midnight 😂). Any thoughts (which are not derived from brainwashing and input being fed to you from external sources)?

A "you " experiencing an "X" is already separation right off the ground.

"There is a story about a great sage, Narada, who came to Vishnu. When Narada came to Vishnu, he said, ‘What is the secret of your Maya?’ And Vishnu took him and threw him into a pool. The moment he fell under the water he was born as a princess in a very great family, and went through all the experiences of childhood as a little girl. She finally married a prince from another kingdom and went to live with him in his kingdom. They lived there in tremendous prosperity, with palaces and peacocks, but suddenly there was a war and their kingdom was attacked and utterly destroyed. The prince himself was killed in battle, and he was cremated. As a dutiful wife, the princess was about to throw herself weeping on to the funeral pyre and burn herself in an act of Sati, or self-sacrifice. But suddenly, Narada woke to find himself being pulled out of the pool by his hair by Vishnu, who said: 'For whom were you weeping?’" So, that is the idea of the whole world being a magical illusion, but done so skillfully-by whom? By you, basically. Not 'you' the empirical ego, not 'you' who is just a kind of focus of conscious attention with memories that are strung together into what you call 'my everyday self.' Rather, it is the 'you' that is responsible for growing your hair, coloring your eyes, arranging the shape of your bones. The deeply responsible 'you' is what is responsible for all this." -Alan Watts

Yes and no . Not trying to be cheeky.

There is separation and there isn't simultaneously. Narada was dreaming . A dream is both real and illusion.

@Michal__ It's hindu mythology. The dudes who founded the whole thing .

Jonas long

Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri.

Sure ,in your dreams 😂.

Actualized.org is not just spirituality . Its also basic materialistic self-help. It's an attempt to understand all facets of life equally ..I don't know about the "equally " to be honest ..but Leo has lots of videos on political science..business..dating..etc . Maybe you stick to the spirituality section if you don't like political talk .

Yes I understand. You are presenting the model in which your subjective "bubble " as it's called here is not the totality of all that there is but rather..to use your own words .."reflection ".." microcosm "..of the whole. I asked you what's the argument for that? I guess a good question to contemplate is what does it mean for something to exist ? What exists ? Is it synonymous with being experienced as per Berkeley's definition? If so then there is nothing but your subjective bubble . If existence is experience-independent and there is an objective world behind experience like blood going through your veins right now that you have no experience of right now exists without being perceived then there is more to reality than your subjective experience. My question again is which one is it ? And how is it known?

Nope .sorry there is no getting away with unchecked assumptions if you wish to slay the solipsism bitch ..how is that known for a fact ? That your subjective matrix is like a holon in infinity instead of being all of infinity ? And how are these two really different after all ?

@Monster Energy love you too.

Unfortunately most people are drunk on knowledge. The bible says when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge they became knowledgeable of good and bad and gotten kicked out of the paradise..because satan told them you gonna live forever like god . Decode.