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@Princess Arabia I agree with everything you said but just like you said it would seem pedantic if you kept denying any trace of conscious control from the ego in every sentence. The point is that the ego is powerless not just with breathing and thinking..but even in judging others .but to make the point that we" should " not judge ourselves and others I have to assume that the ego has indeed conscious control over that..which of course it doesn't . But I assume the message has landed and the reader is intelligent enough to get it . Much love 🙏.

Try to appreciate that you as an ego is really not in the driving seat of your life . There Is something bigger than you as a human going on here . How do you breathe ? You don't. It just happens . Sure you can consciously take a breath and let it go with whatever pace you want ..but how about when you are sleeping? How are you breathing when you are asleep? How is your body breathing when "you" are completely absent and out of the equation? See what I'm saying ? You don't even guarantee your breath. Can you guarantee taking a sip of water without choking and dying ? No you can't. You are under the mercy of some water pouring down the wrong pipe. So who you think you are ? Why are you arrogant? Why are you evil ?why are you delusional? These are some things I would write if I was a prophet in any holybook. This is inspired also by any obvious reflection . But also from reading Robert Adams.

Then where is the proplem?!

Actually no .it's only me probably. Most people on that thread including Leo are not sure who Ronaldo is in the first place 😂.

I don't know man . I think it's a repeated topic. You don't have to keep pumbing content. Take your time completely to post new stuff. I would love an episode about : -understanding religion. -understanding sexuality.

What I meant is I have never talked about Sadhguru in this forum .I'm not a fan at all. And you impiled I'm a parrot of him or something which is just not true . Which is why I think you are copy pasting or responding to the wrong person.

@Malkom you don't get how radical this is and how deep it goes . Also ..Sadhguru? Who's that ?

You're gonna die anyways. Eat meat drink blood it doesn't matter.

Meh

It's not about that . It's not about me .I'm so conscious of my own illusory separate identity. So even if what I express reads like egotism, it is not . It's about what's true . You are posting in a forum of spirituality yet..you can't get that you don't exist as an ego or something separate from the totality of life . What you are saying like "your ego " is just nonsense. Ego refers to you .how can you have a ego... Totally ironic ,I get it .but what can be done .

I think it's insane what you are saying

I doesn't. You are talking nonsense. 🫶 Have a nice day pal.

Now we are speaking .I'm happy that you bring this up . I don't want this thread to die out.. I wanna get a discussion going on here cuz this is some crazy stuff lol.... How is the body movement done? This is not so obviously clear . Another way to realize it.. A very easy way to realize the illusion of choice is to try to stop.. Try to stop all internal and external happenings in what you think your body.. No thoughts no actions no chatter no feeling etc... You can't.. Something must happen.. A thought must arise.. A breath.. A blink of an eye.. A tingle..a fart... Lol if you cannot stop doing what you're doing even when you try all you can to stop it.. Are you really doing it? Bottom line.. No one is doing anything. Choice is a joke. Everyone is basically just a zombie. There is no difference between the spontaneous happening of a river flow and the movement of the human body. You probably: so what dude ? Me :This changes how you relate to humans entirely for the rest of your life.

Of course. I understand, Einstein. Though ..that's completely tangential and unrelated to this specific topic .

@Malkom good so what the fuck are you exactly trying to say ? You wrote two comments that mean nothing .

What is "it " in "its just a model "? My OP? I'm simply saying something very basic and foundational to anyone who spent two days researching enlightenment and spirituality. You as an ego or as a human has no say in the matter . It appears as if you are doing the breathing as an example. But just like I said go ahead and guarantee your breathing continuing while sleeping. You can't. Because "you " are not doing it . I'm not trying to scare people with some intrusive thoughts. In the contrary..grasping this is liberation from suffering. Because you can relax and stop judging yourself and others .

Let's just not overthink this because its a little bit a scary notion . Just grasp it and grasp the implications. Thanks for your comment .🙏

You can say something that doesn't mean nothing if you want though. 😂 I can see what you're saying while at the same time taking all these fabricated distinctions kinda tounge n cheek.

Ego is what religion call devil or satan. Why so ? Because that's the source of all evil .its you the ego or the false self . Try to see other people as not people but like how you see a current of water or a tornado or a fart coming out of your arse .it's just happening. Stop judging people. Stop thinking there is evil guys out there .just realize you are the evil .

How can only very few individuals you know of are actually enlightened when enlightenment is there is no individuals or enlightenment?

Also an absolutist mumbo-jumbo perspective: nothing is ever evil and "should " does not exist . What should happen must happen. What shouldn't happen will never happen.

Sorry pure nonsense. To exist as a living organism you gotta be killing others living organisms .period . If you stopped killing the bacteria in your hand by washing your hand you will die. Life eats life . You eat meat to live .or you eat a plant to live . Same thing . Just because the animal is conscious and a plant isn't (probably)doesn't mean you are not also killing a living organism by eating a plant . God is sadistic. Forget about humans for a moment...a lion or a tiger MUST eat a ghazal or rabbit or something to survive . Why ? Why do you freak out when you see this guy 🦎 in your home ? Why do you kill it ? Who gave you the right to take his life

I had an insight about the nature of Blasphemy that I want to share . In case the term is unfamiliar to you ..Blasphemy is simply insulting God or religion (religion in general or a specific religion). So most people in the world are theists .atheists are a minority . The majority of people believe in God and subscribe to one of the top famous mainstream religion . Mostly Christianity and Islam. In both of these two religions there's a belief in an afterlife in the form of either eternal heaven or eternal hell ..depending on your deeds in this life right now . Blasphemy is regarded as a sin ..and if you insult Jesus or Allah then you basically have booked your ticket to hell . Yesterday I had a fight in the barber shop.the guy accidentally wounded my forehead while giving me a haircut . It was intentional. I went crazy on him and left the shop without paying him .he told me "God will not forgive you ". I insulted his god . I don't know what happened. I felt incredibly liberated .I felt like I conquered the world . I felt ecstacy. Then I contemplated what the heck just happened...and here's the insight : Blasphemy is literally a facet of awakening. You are light years away from achieving awakening if you don't insult the version of God that is the bearded man in the clouds . For most people this is cruel nihilism. And if you insult God you gonna take a dip in hell fire in the afterlife and turn into barbecue. But so what ? Literally SO WHAT ? Please guys go watch Leo's episode called " understanding bias and love and mind " where he simply presents this idea of "why does it matter what happens to you "? I will tell ya..because you think you are a someone here .a rock doesn't care If you torture it in hell forever .so why not go balls into the wall with unconditional love/nihilism (call it whatever you want ) and be more careless than a rock ? What could possibly bother you anymore ?

@UnbornTao I will .I always am. Sincerity just has to ruin every thread of mine .give him warning points or timeout.

@Sincerity so no answer and you are full of shit ? Ok gottcha 👌 . I'm sending a PM to Leo right now and will take a screenshot and post it here . Sorry sweetie you left me choiceless but to do that . If you think I will tolerate your bullshit forever you are dead wrong .