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Not to sound pessimistic..I'm just saying..both life &death don't actually present peace and happiness. I'm not depressed . But I'm really bumped out by the suicide of the user Buba and his suffering with continuous unexplainable pain . Like what kind of sick God created this shithole called this life ? In life you are suffering and the more you age the worse it gets . Now what's the other option? Killing yourself ? It doesn't really matter cuz you gonna die in the end anyways and death itself is such a mind boggling existential dilemma that makes you piss and shit your pants just by thinking about ..let alone actually dying. It seems to me that we are stuck and there is no salvation in any form of existence.

OK help me set this straight ..you're saying : life is a dream..therefore its illusory..therefore death itself is a dream . But so what ? Imagine that you're having a nightmare in a nightly dream and you are being raped and tortured and even burned or castrated..now I come to you in your dream and tell you: hey! This is all a dream .don't worry. Etc That doesn't help ..I understand that everyone and everything is being dreamt up on the fly RIGHT FUCKING NOW and so there is actually no such thing as yesterday or no such thing as WW2 or Hitler's holocaust etc..but this is only from the absolute perspective as you said . So please tell yourself that when you are suffering and contemplating suicide and see that it doesn't alleviate the suffering.

This is not actually true . Money is the actual God. Most people actually worship money and sex . Wake up .

Which makes it all even more terrible and terrifying..thanks for ruining my day 😅

Oh my ..life is not a dream literally.. Life is just life .just like apple is apple and not a potato chip. A=A. c'mon this is the most basic logical law ever . Stop trying to define life or existence in terms of something else .

That is a non-sequitur. Solipsism is the position that only I exist as a real self and objective reality is a figment of my imagination..what does that have to do with what comes after death as an example?

What if solipsism is a big crock of dogshit?

Thanks for everyone for the sharing of perspectives . I unfortunately (obviously) can't help but gloss over them all ..I can't respond to all that . I just want to share some thoughts on the subject..I think I understand why would a person choose to take his life away if he is going through unresolvable suffering which he knows for absolute certainty that it is never going to end as long as he is alive ..so as Leo have said ..suffering +hopelessness seems to be the equation at play . So does that mean that the following : if I lose hope completely I will also lose fear of death absolutely and decide to jump into the midst of the unknown(death)? Umm..to me still..this doesn't make sense..seriously..death is so scary this ain't no joke it's a jump into the Absolute horror of idk how to describe it ..but death terrifies the absolute shit out of me that I would still choose to gamble on hopeless suffering in this world than to die and ..(who the fuck knows what's going on here)..to risk eternal suffering that might be waiting for you after death!.

@Husseinisdoingfine All so called middle Eastern religions have both esoteric and exoteric sects and teachings. Mainstream Islam is very very strict and take the quran and the sharia literally. All hallaj was a sufi. Sufisim is the only Islamic sect that understands the roots of Islam . It's a fascinating religion btw and I don't get at all the hatred it gets from western people if not for 11/9 and such.

Thanks . Just curious..why did you decide to share this after 4 months of the suicide? He said clearly in the post that he is contemplating suicide. Leo and @Michael569 have tried to help him out .. I'm clueless about this specific disease. But from his description it was such a nasty experience I would imagine. Anyways i wish him all the best in whatever place he is in right now and for you to find a releive from negative emotions.

That's false . You can surrender your whole life and go live on some cave like what Ramana Maharshi did after his awakening when he was still a teenager. What I'm talking about is surrendering control. Surrender is giving up actively trying to figure things out in the head. That is what is being surrendered. What gives ego or the separate self a sense of validity is its sense that it is in control.. what gives it that sense of control is the belief it is figuring things out through the use of the analytical capacity of mind. So detach your attention from "figuring out mind" and stay anchored in your sense perceptions and let go of the false control of the separate self. That's when all the fear and resistance comes.. then you still stay out of mind..y ou're surrendering your control.

@Salvijus it's very heartbreaking. Reading that post and now his suicide incident..im literally shedding tears right now ..my day is ruined.

@Leo Gura

Not in my basement. She has her own house .we ain't married but we probably will in the soon future. Love (romance ) is the most beautiful thing in exists.

Ur welcome. I didn't say existence is illusory. I said free will is . When you raise your hand like this 🖐..you ain't actually doing it. Its being done by God's will and none else. My point was you only think life sucks because you actually believe you are real and In control or in charge of whats showing up in the movie called your life. If you surrender..you will be liberated.

How Does these two follow up in a logical sense ?

Not if you get a girlfriend 👧

It seems to me that you are going through deep depression or existential crisis . Which is very odd since you are still young . I want to say that none of what you said is actually true . There is a distinction between suffering and pain . Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional . We all gonna go through deep pain at some point In our lives ..but that doesn't mean we should suffer . If you understand that free will is illusory and that everything is predestined from the get go then you can understand that everything that happens is for the greater good of all of creation. For this you can read Tibitean Buddhism or awaken to what Leo calls "existential love ". Other than that you are lost in a thick syrup of mental self-created suffering .

RIP. Very bad news. I'm actually in tears right now . He was suffering immensely. I remember his last post asking about his disease. I hope he is in a better place right now .

Look you seem like youre tripping 24/7 buddy. I would stay away from tripping and not go insane . im not joking . This solipsism crap is ruining my goddam life. It started to cause me Paranoia. I walk by the streets with this odd feeling that all these people are just NPCs in my mind . Who knows what reality is ? We could be a brain in a vat somewhere. I'm trying to take Epistemology seriously..but I made no progress whatsoever in my understanding of reality since the first day I listened to Leo's videos. This guy will confuse your ass. I love him ..but he is one of the most brave people ever he is wiling to die for truth . Not my business. I'm a coward .

Tell me what you think about this Salvia trip report from a user on this forum : it's absolutely ineffable. It tore me apart and reassembled me in the outer layers of infinity, and this kept happening forever, for all infinity. And when I say forever I mean forever. It showed me worlds that are so beyond this one that describing even the tiniest part could fill 500 books and not get even remotely close. It showed me all levels of existence, and then threw me out of them as if they're nothing. It's simply unimaginable, no words could come close, or touch this experience in any way imaginable. If you've ever done some psychedelic and broken through, multiply that by a million and it's still a tame experience in comparison. It breaks reality. This experience happened more than a decade ago and I'm still collecting the pieces. I honestly have no idea what the fuck happened. It's hard to talk about because while I faintly remember the experience, I just know I can't English it because it would be like trying to stick a fork into the moon. I know this doesn't help much but I literally can't share the experience not because I don't want to but because it was out of this world and as such, unable to be mapped to any concept from this world. If you ask me, it was beyond even death. I was infinity, forever. How I ever found a way back to my body is a mystery. It was the weirdest thing that ever happened to me by a factor of one trillion. This should go without saying but please do NOT take Salvia. I haven't benefited much from this experience, other than being shown that everyone is completely full of shit and nobody actually knows what's going on. If you're going to do psychedelics, take any "lesser" psychedelic, they are far easier to integrate. Even DMT, while I haven't done it, doesn't sound like it has the potency of Salvia. I've read hundreds of trip reports from DMT and not a single one mentioned being stuck in infinity or experiencing months or years in another world. Salvia CAN take you there. So can Datura. Stay away from those two.

Keep it our little secret .🤫 In 2018 Leo was about to kill himself in the bathtub overdosing on 5 Meo and take the whole universe with him into a singularity of nothingness and Love.

Great ! Also I'm excited about the awakening course (if it's still under way). I might buy it .

Lol.😂 Leo ..whats next for actualized channel..? did you run out of ideas ? you seriously can't keep rambling for 3 hrs about god and how reality is nothing anymore right ? And you seem to enjoy your time on this forum .have at it .you’ve achievd gtreat success in your career and finance that you have enough time for fooling around online. In a sense i envy you . maybe Research the shit out of some random niche topicd until you find an interesting one. Dude I missed your videos. I only watch them for the entertainment they give me .

I'm a cool open minded guy . You'd expect that I shared my gay sexuality on here a bunch . Not your stereotype Indian fanatic . Although that comment was a bit "heated ". Idk . It just feels insulting to not spit out some truth when I see that Leo is being biased .