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@Hojo no worries sorry if I was rude .Its just not clicking for me what you're saying .

No idea what you're talking about . Cut the edginess and smartassery please . Lessen the paradoxes and avoid ambiguity. I'm not interested in mad talk .

To give a concerte example which might make the conversation easier : Water boils at 100 Celsius. We call that something which we know objectively. Is this independent of you holding this idea in your mind ? Is objectivity happening within subjectivity or the other way around? I hope the question is clear 😅

@Hojo what ?

No . I woke up this morning for something completely out of my control. If you sleep and never wake up..what is that called ? Death . The only reason existence exists as forms is because of the existence of the formless .deep sleep is formlessness and this experience right now is form. If I ask why is there something rather than nothing ?..its because there is nothing that there can be something. Try this experiment..sleep-deprive for a whole week ..zero sleep ..this is the result: you will realize that this moment right now is NOT existence or something Ness or consciousness. Why ? Because without sleeping and erasing all experience you can't have its opposite. Without nothingness there cannot be something Ness.

Forget about thoughts for now ..whats so special about a thought which makes it more tricky to define than a cheeseburger? It's a matter of the metaphysics of definition and what is isness itself regardless of its content ? A thing is a thing is a thing is a thing . Define a thought as electricity in the brain ..OK so what's a brain ? An object .. OK so what's an object ? A thing .. What's a thing ? Reality is made out of itself.

@LastThursday if you might engage me for a sec ... We are born ( assumption but let me start somewhere)as blank slate..(ditch genetics and biology for now )..we are born knowing literally nothing at all . We accumulate knowledge via our senses ..and via external sources..even your reasoning right now is NOT 100% coming from "YOU" ..simply because YOU are just awareness..all ideas about logic..mathematics..scientific facts ..logical deductions ..etc ..is coming to you from your environment. Then how is it possible to know anything with 100% originality ? It seems like direct sensory experience is the only way. But if we agree on that ..then the question arises : okay so what exactly is THIS? Where did it come from and where is it going ? Maybe these themselves are assumptions which are NOT found in direct experience. But then that means THIS is just here and full stop . I have no proplem with this (until past midnight 😂). Any thoughts (which are not derived from brainwashing and input being fed to you from external sources)?

A "you " experiencing an "X" is already separation right off the ground.

Yes and no . Not trying to be cheeky.

There is separation and there isn't simultaneously. Narada was dreaming . A dream is both real and illusion.

@Michal__ It's hindu mythology. The dudes who founded the whole thing .

"There is a story about a great sage, Narada, who came to Vishnu. When Narada came to Vishnu, he said, ‘What is the secret of your Maya?’ And Vishnu took him and threw him into a pool. The moment he fell under the water he was born as a princess in a very great family, and went through all the experiences of childhood as a little girl. She finally married a prince from another kingdom and went to live with him in his kingdom. They lived there in tremendous prosperity, with palaces and peacocks, but suddenly there was a war and their kingdom was attacked and utterly destroyed. The prince himself was killed in battle, and he was cremated. As a dutiful wife, the princess was about to throw herself weeping on to the funeral pyre and burn herself in an act of Sati, or self-sacrifice. But suddenly, Narada woke to find himself being pulled out of the pool by his hair by Vishnu, who said: 'For whom were you weeping?’" So, that is the idea of the whole world being a magical illusion, but done so skillfully-by whom? By you, basically. Not 'you' the empirical ego, not 'you' who is just a kind of focus of conscious attention with memories that are strung together into what you call 'my everyday self.' Rather, it is the 'you' that is responsible for growing your hair, coloring your eyes, arranging the shape of your bones. The deeply responsible 'you' is what is responsible for all this." -Alan Watts

Jonas long

Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri.

Sure ,in your dreams 😂.