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I think stage yellow is the one that finds solutions and finds a way to create a path of cooperation between the different stages. it’s not necessarily the one that has ‘compassion’ towards each stage but we could replace that for ‘understanding’ - it’s a small difference in wording, but I think compassion means a true ability to see oneself in someone else’s shoe and completely inhibit their perspective, which has too be highly integrated thing. I think stage turquoise is where that comparison and the humbleness starts to manifest. (I could be wrong, but thats how I understand the process so far)

Trying to apply the concept of Learning by finding distinctions: stage blue shows denial for: god does not exist. stage orange denies that spirituality is important, or science can’t answer all questions, or profit does not equal happiness. what does stage green’s denial look like moving to yellow? How does yellow show green that he/she has built a house of cards ? I’m not asking what tigers green, but what has yellow going for them that green either a) secretly wants b) can directly show green how they are not questioning themselves and/or blindly excepting ideas and beliefs ?

@Preety_India ego calling is a problem like I said. It’s tricky, you have to be the judge in each and every different situation.

@Preety_India Some of what is being discussed here in this forum are very deep interpersonal teachings, subjects or techniques. On top of that the whole self-actualization thing is about looking at one’s ego, you know, that thing you don’t want anyone to see or find out about. Once you have this combination it’s easy for someone to be knowledgeable but kind-of arrogant and, ego calling can be a thing, where else where thats kind of not normal. you really have to take self responsibility here, and listen to people (here or outside of this place) that resonate with you and help you personally. For example I still listen to a stage orange-green monk every night before I go to sleep, and even though his approach is simplistic and doesn’t touch on the complexity of the teachings here, I get a lot of benefit from him and enjoy his talks and it helps me live my life my life happier. I only listen to Leo and/or this form to broaden my knowledge, learn new ideas, when I’m in the mode to discover something new. Or to keep things on the back burner so that i can use when It’s relevant to me. if you just exits on this place because “it’s the best place, and it ofer out of the world insights’” your kind of insisting on only going to a two star michellen restaurant and not eat anywhere else if you get my metaphor

@Loba // this is a bit of a rant but I hope you enjoy it, I kind of tend to spew out my thoughts so I can capture as much meaning as possible that I can communicate, please let me know what you think : I love this this is so insightful, there are a number of reasons why I see green getting stuck: 1) getting stuck with gurus/spiritual teachers that gives them no way to ascend up the spiral, and focus only on the 'Now' and present moment. No mention of self-actualization work, being yourself and/or finding your purpose, what you like about life and how to meet your needs, largely (maybe) because those who seek spirituality form super-star gurus are almost all rich and/or famous, who can afford being in those retreats and are wealthy individuals who has there needs met not by integrating it form lower stages but from possibly being fortunate and they are at green so yeah how else will they not be stuck? 2) people who are born in places where anarchism, relativism and/or post-modernism already present in their society or where they live, they have no idea what living with blue red or purple means, they tend to glorify purple, be either confused scared or tempted to be red and view blue as backward traditional and/or too goody-good and brush them of as delude or unnecessary to society. completely backward way of thinking relative to SD other ways green get stuck is by 3) being too emotional too utopian, this is definitely not how green thinks of themselves but it is the truth and I can attest. for example: Rebel Wisdom which I really am beginning to like and find insightful are a vMEME yellow creators, they can appear as 'A Jordan Peterson cult' as so many people think of them, and I get way green would think that way, just the fact that they step upon subjects dear to the heart of stage green like psychedelic and treat them with a careful mind and an approach of a rational person says so much about how they respect what they are doing and willing to inform people the right way without spreading misinformation or over hyping a subjects, but that alone makes green go crazy. because it's a sacred topic to them that is not allowed to be discussed or looked at from another perspective, 'only green knows what they are talking about when they talk about psychedelics' that's the attitude of green claiming knowledge! only they know and anyone else doses't knows what they are talking about regarding this issue! 4) another problem is the lack of humbleness, I guess it takes a lot to become green, and that's why you don't feel like going back down the spiral and integrating your shadow stuff I'd love to have more conversation about how to transition from green to yellow, for example my response to lmfao was in a way saying ' well how does green find out how to move to yellow if they don't know a yellow person to tell them what to do or where to look ?' like seriously why would I know or dabble in systemic thinking, control theory or ken Wilber work if I'm not already aware of it some how, or super really wanting to find a solution to problems that I'm ready to would look anywhere for a solution!? how the hell would I know these subjects or where to look assuming I'm green and not doing self-actualization and not aware of a Leo Gura ? it's tough and no wonder a lot of stage green people stay in stage green. BTW, I'm either infp or enfp. I've heard that these Myers–Briggs Types come form Carl Jung and the not very well known reason behind them: is to find a way to transcend each letter of your type, by working your way out of each letter and not be stuck with the idea that you are one type rather than another.

I wonder way Alan watts is considered yellow, meaning I can see how he is considered turquoise but when has he had yellow period in his life ? anyone knows of any material or video of him stating yellow values ?

I wonder If this is a prelude before you release your video about scammers, These people are extremely sneaky and know how to be tempting to college kids and/or inexperienced people looking for a way to break into making money and stating their own business. They are a mind disease, I remember wanting to put a lot of money on one of Tai Lopez crypto scam-course, I'm just happy that I didn't at that time.

this is sobering for someone in stage green such as myself. it's so hard to believe how much group think stage green engages in, even-though it likes to think otherwise. This hasn't been obvious to me until I started following your work.

@Jacob Morres yeah basically, throwing phrases such as "you must think that this country is such a crazy place isn't it". She was too heavy and felt like she couldn't comprehend why I would choose to work where gay people of color would work.

@Carl-Richard mine is 'you cannot call me a racist!' that's very true, and green is very unaware of this. while working a shift I met a supervisor who held the same liberal values of me but could not fathom that I came from a third world country. it ended up reviling so much of her and other crew members inner judgments towards me. I stood still in that job for two years, I cannot believe I did it, but I defiantly got to see the hidden face of stage green thinking people.

@DocWatts pre/trans fallacy was a big one for me! I had a life-coach/spiritual teacher which I labeled early green, that was convinced that enlightenment was returning to the original state of being an infant or a new born. of course that wasn't also clear to me until I learned about ken wilber's pre/trans fallacy. Most of what you mentioned doesn't sound like a part of my world-view anymore, but do you mind clarifying what Game denail is ? I'm assuming you meant Game theory which I'm also ignorant of, but why would Stage Green disapprove of it ?

@lmfao My concern with this thread is how does this happen naturally ? (the jump from tier 1 to 2) even though I see the limitation of green-world view, I cannot tell what would make green move to yellow. I feel like I have been listening to actualized.org enough to be moving towards yellow, but have I not encountered Leo's content I'd probably still be judgmental and emotionally driven green. One good example is your post: now have I not been interested in yellow kind topics, the possibility of divergent thinking or deductive reasoning would not register for me.

I thought of this question as thought experiment to challenge out our egos in this forum: would you work for Facebook if you where offered a decent salary? Why? Or why not ? I think answering this question can give a good idea about how your ego works. for me: no! Even if I was offered a good salary. I know that I would struggle to quit in say month, if I so decided to do. Meaning that I would drag myself to at least stay there for a year or more, to justify “having gotten a job at a big well known company”, and that would suck! I much rather be paid less rather than getting a job that I don’t like and having to boost my ego and lie about liking a job that in actuality I don’t like. what about you guys? ps: you don’t have to be a developer or a marketing manger or whatever to work at Facebook, say you can choose a role that you like, and you can see a chance that you could be creative in it and gain some experience. Would you still take it?

I’m just grateful for Leo for going and taking the vaccination himself before posting about it. Integrity and leadership is a good thing. I wasn’t going to get a booster, but I guess i’ll use my privilege of being able to walk-in with no appointment to the pharmacy next door and get my free shot, and not cry like a baby.

this model is about ego awareness and the trend towards self transcendence. it has nothing to do with how smart you are. however a strategist should be able to have more self awareness, more willing to learn and better at abstraction, planing, and has better emotional knowledge, but that's also relative and not a sure thing to say.

this means you are above opportunist. you can't have a government in that has form of democracy if the whole country is at this stage. this is pre-christian pre-islamic barbarian stage. if you are talking about islamic society and morality that's diplomat. Your original post makes it clear that that's where your society is at. form my own understanding of the model I'd say your an expert: reading the theory can help you move up and see your blind spots.

@Mesopotamian where would you put yourself or your country on the spiral or Ego development stages ?

@AdroseAkise it's an inland terrorist group. until this downs on the American public expect lots of crap to happen.

The main problem in the US is being a theist country in the 21 century, meaning a large percentage still practice religion and believe in the biblical form of god with deep intrenchment in that ideology California, the best model for what the US could look like moving to green (which is a rare instance in the US), but If you travel between south and west, you will think this is simply impossible in current times. in the EU atheism is the the norm, which is why green can exist. it's easier to move to green when you have a healthy base of orange making the average world view that of an atheist rationalist and scientific-minded. Maga if taking as a representation of the south is simply not that. I don't see a strong shift to orange in the south, in fact it's I'm seeing the opposite people reverting to fundamental values. I suspect that the US might spilt or drag the shift to green for another 50 years. but that that's the worst case scenario and hopefully the outcome will be better somehow.

there are lots of members here not doing self-actualization work in a serious way and missing the good amount of benefit they can get from here. to a degree it's not anyone's fault, but a place like this where you can be directly in contact with the creator of the content you like, ought to make it difficult for the creator to always come out brimming with wisdom. Imagine being able to interact with your favorite author of a self help book or material, how long before you get all the wisdom out of them, confuse them, frustrate them, find faults in them, or god forbid see the human being behind their image/work ? I think Leo is doing a good job, and there's much to be learned from actualized.org I would say the format of this form is either: 1) too old 2) doesn't allow for authentic communications 3) could potentially be inviting to trolls and non-serious members. I like how the stoa and rebel wisdom do their conversations with a zoom meeting. maybe we can borrow some of their idea's for the future.

I’ve never been so happy to see someone talking about this : the US is a social catastrophe,Therefore it fails at generating the right public response to a public heath crisis (COVID-19) I think this is a fact that no one has hit on yet, I haven’t even seen @Leo Gura speak about it, although he’s aware of all the other systemic problems in the US, probably as it’s one of those situations where it’s water to a fish. Social life is so bad in the US compared to the standards in so many other places in the world, As a foreigner coming here, it feels like the entire nation is faking it.

@Leo Gura you don’t see that Qanons, red pill, and god knows what other pathologies are directly related to people not being able to socialize properly? Lake of public transport or public spaces where people can sit or be walking side by side along others is scary scares I’m the US. I don’t think individualism is necessarily the problem, but a general ignorance of how life is like outside the US, and this stupid fear of ‘others’ that I never understood why is the norm here.

@DocWatts Interesting. I somehow know about all what you mentioned. expect for the Michigan assassination attempt. what we are seeing is cartel, islamic state, book haram, going on here in the US, it's just taking place under our nose. I suspect people don't realize this as I do, due to probably never known that this possibility is present in the US (terrorist groups). or having been in close proximity with groups with such world-view. Back in Jan 6 mega-thread I commented that there are a large number of the protestors giving me a direct impression that it's terrorist actors, but was told I'm being reactionary. I don't believe the US military can be toyed with and turned into something like a natzi tool. I think people should take precaution though, military involvement might be necessary at some point to bring balance to this situation.

@DocWatts when you say political violence what do you mean by this? Obviously whoever think they can turn the government down by an armed revolt is a lunatic, it's not 1800s you can't face the current day US military, as we've seen after jan 6, not a single red hat was spotted after the army was deployed. This is my take on the matter as a foreigner living in the US : I guess Americans were in deep slumber not realizing what's going on and distracted, with all of this happening, your are now witnessing what it feels like to wake up to what the country actually looks like. that's not to say when push comes to shove Americans would agree on something like tearing down democracy. I predict way more people will be moving towards saving it than now. it's just that we are In the shock phase, and it's going to take time before people start showing their real motives to support to democracy.

@Gesundheit2 I can tell you that I agree with every word you said, and I’d still say it’s not as easy as you think. I came from a 3rd world country with opportunity in mind, I already know all this. it’s really not as you think, it’s a big lie that most people simply swallow before coming to the US. Thinking that with this mindset they are set to go. There’s a rude awakening that waits on the other side. Also, I’m actually still in the process of making it work so I’m not saying I reached a dead end and everyone who comes here will have the same experience. But there’s a facade to the US that is just not apparent to outsiders.