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Changing is painful, so life pushes us forward by making the concequences of not-changing even more painful

Please don't forget to touch upon qualia, I find it to be one of the most obvious and easily accessible refutations of reductionist materialism. Neurosciece has NOTHING, and they love to sweep it under the rug.

Interesting case study

- I'm asking from a collective perspective, not an individual one. - Consider what is healthy both for Red and also for the higher stages. - Also consider that countries have very different proportions of Red, it's not equally problematic to have 5-10% than to have 35-45%.

Haha, it's a good way to put it.

Yes, thay seems to be the key when looked at from a higher point of view. We experiece physicality in linear time, but there's no time for The Mind.

Yes, I agree. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I am refering to Conciousness' ability to recall/recreate "similar enough appearences", after the original ones are gone from our perception. I'm not talking about the "individual mind" believing they are "the same". If we deny that the dream is sort of a continuous thread of imagination, which includes also things outside of the perceptual field, consistency doesn't make sense. Imagination is highly intelligent and consistent, and the complexity and intelligence of that process is not always accesible from the perceptual field. If it was, there could not be low egoic levels of conciousness and everyone would be in an omniscient God-mode all the time.

When you say the universe isn't mathematical, and that saying that is just a projection, I understand what you mean in the sense that math relies on man-made symbols and concepts that are not "out there". But doesn't math still point to actual qualities of the universe? Any word I put out there you may say it's an abstraction, and it is. But still, conceptualizations sometimes point to things you can find in actuallity. For example isn't it true that everything that's limited exists in what we may call quantites? What counts as a unit of measure and the symbols we use are arbitrary, and we could deconstruct them all. But in the relative sense, things do exist in what we may call quantities (all objects are not equally "large", or equally "heavy", etc.) Those words themselves are concepts, but if you lift two objects, one with each hand, you will actually feel that one is more heavy than the other. You may call this difference whatever you want, or not label it at all, but it's still a real distinction within conciousness. The same way red looks different from green prior to our linguistic labeling.

Yes, that's a great idea. I had never thought about that before making this thread. @Forestluv also mentioned sports. Thanks guys. True. I can see how young people how are born in already advanced societies can struggle with a lack of integration of the Lower Stages. We definitely need more Pink

Well, it can, if I only see half of it from my POV, the other half is not being created at that moment. Maybe "stored" isn't the right word becouse it sounds too physical. But I mean, Conciousness must have the capacity of accessing/recalling/remembering previous experiences at any point, in order to sustain this consistency. I see how this could happen through pure magic without any means.

What mental gymnastics? Appearences are fearly similar. A baby can't think much and still can recognize appearences as his "mother" or his "toys" becouse they're fearly similar to previous ones. The number 2 in that context is not an appearence, but an abstraction. Very different.

@lmfao True, meditative awakenings tend to be more about "The Void". Besides Psychedelics, Magic and Energy Work are great for realising imagination!

Now that's an explaination. Thanks Leo

I don't feel the little perceptual field can be the whole of God's mind. Even in conventional dreams, our "individual mind" is creating the dream using memories and resources that are outside of the perception of dream character.

If things aren't "stored" somewhere outside the perceptual field, how can they reappear after having lost contact with them?

But that slow rate of change also applies to things that are outside of my direct experience. For example, I'm not seeing my dog right now but if I check he'll probably be relatively the same How do we reconcile this with "nothing being hidden"? Where is my dog "stored" when I'm not seeing him?

@Leo Gura What causes the dream to be consistent and stable? From direct experience, it looks like a videogame in the sense that we only experience what is being rendered but there's always much data stored behind the scenes which makes the consistency possible.

It depends on what you are refering to as "you". You as the dream character is not imagining consistency of course, that's what you are pointing to I think. But you as God ARE imagining a consistent and stable dream.

By stilling your mind through deep concentration.

What is a thought? What is a sound? What is a color? What is a smell? What is an emotion? Etc etc etc. All distinctions that consciousness makes up, that's how the play is created. There are gross/concrete/low vibration distinctions on one side of the spectrum ("physical" objects), and subtle/amorphous/higher vibration distinctions on the other pole (like thoughts).

Sounds like you have created a very strong thought-pattern in your mental sphere by feeding it for 7 years. These thought patterns are parasites and will constantly try to draw your attention and reproduce similar kinds of thoughts every time, that's how they survive and grow. If you stop feeding it energy by being indifferent to its influence, it will gradually weaken and dissapear. This takes a lot of willpower and more so if it has grow very strong. You could work with an advanced occultist to have it removed, if you find a good one. If you can't, you could try visualizing this parasite (you may represent it by imagining the guy and cocentrate on the fact that this symbolizes the parasite) and dissolve it into extintion using your imagination and willpower. This method will be more or less effective according to your spiritual developement. If you are not experienced with energy work it will probably won't do much, but you can try and do it many times. Regular non-specific meditation also makes it easier to overcome the influence of these parasites.

Objectless meditation is nothing like a coma state. It's about ignoring all form but remaining fully conscious. Achieve perfect concentration with that particular practice and see what happens.

@Drake72 Would my answer make any difference for you without having the experience yourself ?

This is common when you venture into a new field, and even more so with spirituality. The same thing happened to me when I started learning and practicing magick and energy work. I couldn't separate the separate the wheat from the chaff right away, and I felt quite lost. There are still things that I haven't yet confirmed if they are possible or not, but now it's ok. The trick is learning how to entertain ideas without feeling the need to confirm their truth or falsehood right away. And then get to work and see for yourself what's up.

Did that last summer. It's a really long trip. Argentina is the eight largest country in the world. I live in Buenos Aires, the capital, I'm not near the most pretty places You are very nice, I hope you can come over some day. I would also absolutely love to visit India, it's spiritual tradition and vibes are unmatched.