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It's not the higher the better but it is more evolved. For an individual might be negative to not match his/her enviroment (for example a green person may have a difficult sime surviving in a red enviroment). But for society as a whole, transitions from one state to another do solve important problems, that's why they emerge in the first place (for examole, if we don't transition from orange to green we destroy the enviroment). It could have negative aspects if previous stages are not fully integrated, in my country (Argentina, third world) green denies the importance of a healthy capitalism for economical development and basically want a state that spends the same a first world country can afford, which really hurts the economy and backfires.

I've been contamplating what Leo means by saying that there's no difference beetween the hallucinations you see on psychedelics and sober perception, and how to reconcile that notion with the fact that long term effects of psychedelic hallucinations are very limited (if you get a million dollars on a psychedelic trip it vanishes, and things like that). I want to check with you and give an example that might help you understand if you are contamplating this as well. You can think about it as if there are two levels of reality. The first level is that in which god creates all the appearences that we see on our bubble of "individual" conciousness. And the second level is the "story" (material physical objective reality) that God wants us (itself) to buy into. So on the first level, there is no mechanical difference beetween the way God creates psychedelic and sober hallucinations, that's what Leo means. But on the second level, becouse God is creating the story of a physical reality, it has to work AS IF we really were taking a chemical and those hallucinations were the product of it affecting our brains. That's why if you manifest a million dollars on a psychedelic trip it will be gone when the trip is over, even though there's no difference beetween the appearence of the money on phychedelics and the appearence you would have if you got it sober. A good example is a video game, if the main character consumes a phychedelic and the video game shows you the hallucinations he has while on the substance, they will be gone after the trip is over, even though the game engine is creating those images exactly the same way it creates the game's "real world". Much love from Argentina ♡

Yes, he may have considered that possibility also. Anyway, ultimately only you can decide. I'm glad its been helpful!

He did. 1:53:00 of the Outrageous Experiments video. And also you have to understand for yourself insted of taking everything literally or too seriously. In what sense do you think the universe is destroyed? You have two other possible interpretations beasides the one I alredy gave: - Every point of view of God ends. Which as already has been said would imply we should all be gone already becaouse of people in the past undergoing Mahasamadhi. - The life you are experiencing right now is the only thing that Infinite Mind is creating/will created/has created and God has non other point of view that your minuscule individual bubble of perception. What I call naive solipism. You can't prove it or disprove because you will never enconunter anything outside hour experience by definition. You have to decide by comparing your individual bubble of pereception vs the absolute, doing that, intuitively seems it ridiculous. An infinite all-powerfull mind with infinite possibilities and all it ever created was your life?

It's not so black and white. There's a wide range. It's not like all of them see really crazy shit. Some of them only hallucinate voices. Why would that necesarely imply more conciousness? Are we not all hallucinating voices when we talk to "real people" after all? Even visuals don't necesirely imply more conciousness, when you have hypnagogic hallucinations for example, you're in a below-baseline level. Don't let psychedelics make you think they always go hand in hand.

You're very welcome ? According to my current understanding, yes.

According to most traditions it continues to experience manifestetion by reincarnation or as a disembodied being. I haven't confirmed that by direct experience though so I wouldn't argue too much on that.

No, I'm not saying there's an objective material universe and that it continues to exist. The word universe in that context means your POV, because that's all you ever encounter in your experience by definition, that's the universe for you, and it ends with Mahasamadhi.

So do you deny that the ONE ocean has multiple POVs? I'm sorry but that opinion that's becoming fashionable here seems like a very naive form solipism that people use just to play games. I'm not denying solpism per se, just the one-pov version of it. Yes, you are imagining all others POVs AS GOD, not as one POV imagining others. If you really believe that why are you even bothering to reply this thread? Mahasamadhi is the end of one of the multiple POV of the One. That's what is ment by ending the universe. Even Leo in the same video says that there will remain the imagination of the suffering of his relatives if he dies.

Agree, even sober reality isn't nearly as rigid as materialist think. As your baseline of conciousness increases you come to notice it also without psychesdelics.

The more concious the less attached as a general rule.

10, and really it cant be rated if you have realised the absolute, you either got it or you don't. The body mind are no alive even now just like the body mind you have in a dream aren't.

Not sure if I got you, if you mean that God generally imagines our "bubbles of indivual perception" in a way that they sort of fit with each other and with the ilussion of physcial reality then yes.

I haven't to study the topic of mental illness deep enough to make conclussions on that one. I suspectc there is a very broad spectrum. Maybe for some it's more fluid and for others just different, in the sense that they have hallucinations but their reality its consistent in it own way.

So in order to make possible the experience of incresed fluidity that psychedelics give you without completely destroy you, God imagines that those changes are "less real" than "reality" because they are due to a chemical acting on brain (even though God creates them exactly the same way mechanically spealing). It has to find a way to somehow fit it with the rest of the dream so that it wont blow you out of existance.

Yes, I got that point from your video. But would you agree that even though psychedelics change reality God makes it seem like what you are experiencing is just stuff in your brain like materialist think, for the sake of manteining the illusion of material reality? That's why the flow goes back to normal and psychedelic induced alterations vanish.

Yeah I haven't either, probably a bad example, taken . The point was understanding the difference beetween psychedelic and sober hallucinations regarding long term effects if they are both equeally real/unreal. A better example might be why when your body morphs on psychedelics after the trips comes back to normal vs if some serious accident happens to you in sober pereception it won't.

Please I would really like to hear some opinions on this one

I get what you mean in the sense that "more true", "deeper", etc. are human labels. The Absolute doesn't say manifestetion is unreal, only minds can say that. BUT if you care about understanding reality, exploring it in all levels will give you a richer picture, and in order to do that you do need to rise your conciousness as high as possible.

Clozapine (Leponex) and Quetiapina do bind to 5HT (among others) receptors like mushrooms. There might be other more complex interactions that I'm missing beyond the direct effcts on the receptors, pharmacological interactions are complex and even more so regarding the brain, only a specialist would know in detail really. I can't give you medical advise regarding suspending/lowering their use of course. In my humble opinions a higher dose of mushrooms should do it Do take into account that it might temporarely alter the functioning of the antidepressents until her brain re-adepts after the trip, because it works on the opposite way as well, so again, you may wanna talk to an open minded professional.

What antidepressents exactly? Some may compete with the psychedelic for the neuronal receptors and/or cause down-regulation (disminishing number) of these receptors.

Beautiful, thanks for sharing

I struggled with the same question. You have to become conciouss of the difference beetween your superficial "individual" conciousness and the absolute formless awareness. It seems like a duality but there are two aspects of the One (like the typicall example of ocean and waves) You have to realize that INFINITE AWARENESS IS NOT EVEN AWARE OF YOUR WAKING STATE, IT'S ONLY CONCIOUS OF ITSELF. You can picture the "individuals conciousness" of all beings like "self aware bubbles" for which the absolute just "gives space" or them to exist but is not conciouss of any of their content, NOT EVEN OF THE ONE YOU ARE EXPERIENCING RIGHT NOW. This realization is the key for the undestanding you are looking for. Absolute awareness is not "tinted" by the content of your waking state, such as a screen playing a movie does not affect the room in which the screen is. This is why sages say awareness can't feel pain/pleasure and things like that, even though this objects show up in your conciousness, but they don't reach the absolute, such as the changes in the form of the waves do not affect the bottom of the ocean.

Be careful with stage green overcompassion for red, it can become very problematic. I live in Argentina and stage red underage people can literally MURDER people and get away with it because of green judges and law-makers trying to appeal to green people. Also, green (out of compassion) and red (because the leech from it) want to have a state the size of a develped country, and it really damages the economy of the country. So be cafeful with green dogmas.

Of couse, I am pro psychedelics, but I think that the fact that you still need to do almost constant consiousness work is not emphatized enough by some psychonauts. At least for me, continuously noticing and rejecting identification with the ego has grown my baseline conciousness much more than peak experiences, and has facilitated the latter.