Fran11

You are taking psychological phenomena for granted, and making a false duality beetween it and spiritual phenomena. Please really contemplate this.

Yes, I agree with that perspective, I'm also against taking things by blind faith. I feel many people here deny the occult because they are very biased towards Eastern spirituality, in which the occult is looked down on because they believe in renouncing life and going straight for liberation. Although they do recognize the existance of these possibilities. In the Western esoteric traditions the occult is more mainstream. But they also talk about non-duality and enlightenment as the ultimate goal. About LoA in particular, to me it's a rather sloppy new age way of calling various occult teachings and practices. I personally know by direct experience that the occult is real because I've experimented with it. But I would not try conviencing people to just believe me but rather making their own experience.

Yes, I agree that some people's explainations for certain phenomena are plain childish magical thinking. But it's also true that physics, psychology and neuroscience are extremely bought into the materialist paradigm, and therefore make the laws of nature seem much more rigid and deterministic than they really are. So lets not swing the pendulum too much towards that side either and play the "debunker".

Why do you make a duality beetween "material explainations" and "spiritual ones"? Even if what happened was just that you started paying more attention to the car, reductionist materialism cannot completely explain this, as it happens with all psychological phenomena in fact. It is a common materialistic bias to assume correlation means causality when dealing with conciousness and psychology. Just like when a scientist sees neurons firing as you see the color red, he mistakenly assumes that your brain is generating the color red and that is all there is to it. Although the color red itself cannot be reduced to neurons. I assume if you are on this forum you understand that that's not all there is to it, although a material correlation can be found. The same happens with all psychological phenomena, like attention. Be careful assuming that just because a material correlation can be found that's all there is to it. You are taking psychological phenomena for granted and think there cannot be anything "spiritual" about it.

I was talking about this particular thread. Bye, I don't care talking to agressive and close-minded people.

Nobody said that meditation = enlightenment. Stop making strawmans. Your perspective doesn't bother me, it just shows that you don't know what you are talking about, that's clear to anyone with at least a little bit of experience. Even Leo said it was a begginer's mistake. My intention was helping you understand, not to defend meditation. But go on thinking you know better than everybody else.

"Law of Attraction" is a rather sloppy way of calling various long-standing serious occult teachings and practices. Most of you guys are very biased towards Eastern spirituality, in which the occult isn't mainstream and has a bad reputation, because they go straight for enlightenment. That's why you are close-minded about some of these concepts. So if you want a more holistic understanding of spirituality I suggest you broaden your sources.

That's the point I'm trying to get across. People take no-mind literally. Thinking actually becomes higher quality as the illusive "individual mind" melts in awareness. Although there are also moments of total silence. I loved how in your last video about Ego-developement you talked about the connection with Universal Intelligence and the level of insight it produces, it would be great to have a whole episode about it.

@Member Do you have any experience with mediatation at all? Have you ever had any moments of high minfulness at all? It sounds like you only have a conceptual understanding, mostly based on taking literally a silly little drawing of a person and a dog, and really bought into this perspective without experimenting for yourself. Take care and don't meditate then, nobody wants to downgrade to the level of a dog Can't believe I'm even reading such a thing of this forum.

So Leo knew that Leo was setting him up?

Comparing a dog's conciousness with a meditative human's conciousness is silly. Even in enlightened people the "mind" still functions, they wouldn't even be able to speak if it wasn't so. But it isn't percieved as an individual mind anymore, it is one with the field of conciousness. That's what "no-mind" means. Mindfulness or being present is not necesarily not thinking. I could be studying and at the same time be mindful of the thoughts appearing in awareness. Stilling your mind in meditation is done in order to gain control over it. It doesn't mean you are going to permanently erradicate thought and become mentally impaired. That's a misconception.

Sounds like he has only a conceptual and distorded understanding of "no mind", like many people do. "No mind" is not literally never thinking. It's merging your mind in the present moment. That means that instead of thinking random crap all the time, the thoughts that you actually need according to the moment will come up, without the sense of a "thinker". This doesn't mean that if you want to think about something that's not in your direct experience (like politics for example) you can't do it. You can, but it will feel more like a concious process instead of being unconciously pulled by random thoughts. Thinking actually gets much more effective and refined as conciousness rises. Imagination also gets amazingly boosted. I've been practicing mindfulness troughout the day as much as possible for years and found no downsides whatsover. Been able to study medicine career, reason properly, do artistic practices like painting and singing, etc. Don't worry about this.

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Some concepts point to Absolute Truth better than others.

This is it. Just talk about conciousness and qualia and have fun watching them do mental gymnastics in order to reduce the color red to neurons/wave-lenghts/whatever.

Thinking patterns affect your brain chemistry in the long term. Most people develop anxiety and depression not in childhood but later in life, and that's in many cases because a long history of bad thinking habits (not judging, these habits may well be because of trauma). The opposite is also possible but it's hard. Google how meditation and yoga shrink you amygdala, which is a brain nucleus that's very important in anxiety pathways.

Why in a dream you feel you can only control one character and not every character if they are all you? Does this mean they have an independant will of their own?

This happened in my country (Argentina). I want to get opinions from people who are not from here because they'll be less biased. And to make a meta point about Green excesses. According to S. Green folks this is police brutality and repression. Looking at the video all I see is people insulting police and trying to break a police cord that was just standing with shields protecting the legislative building. What should the police have done? Let them break in? What do you guys think? Do Green people tend to have these unrealistic and childish interpretations about the use of force all over the world? They are always naively against the use of police force in order to prevent Red barbarism. Sometimes it seems they don't even understand that goverment is not possible without the monopoly of force. I think many seemingly Green people are really at the Comformist Stage, although superficially they may seem more advanced. Because they just absorbe some advanced ideas from culture but their understanding is very simplistic and they get dogmatic.

- Not only the concept of "society" can be deconstructed, but also the concept of "individual". To deny this is ignorance and libertarian bias. - The "sacrificial lamb" characterization is an overly exaggerated one to appy to modern developed societies. - The "live and let live" philosophy is very simplistic. Our individual actions always affect others at least indirectly. It's all interconnected. Individualism is important of course, but to glorify individualism as the ultimate goal becomes as toxic as glorifying colectivism.

Yup, that's starting to happen with the new Kirchnerist goverment (Cristina is our vicepresident now). But not to a great degree yet, you know how stubborn we humans can be when it comes to addmiting our mistakes. Good to talk to you, many great points!

Well, Cristina Kirchner's goverment was the most corrupt in our whole history (reaserch about it), and generally Green still sympathizes because she put on a Green facade by promoting some good social advancements like gay marrige. Believe it or not, Green doesnt care much about corruption in here, its in denial about it. Anti-corruption protests actually are put forth by people who are against Kirchnerism (who happen to be Blue and Orange).

Theres a lot of corruption. And I mean A LOT. That is one big problem. Another problem is how do you adjudicate money when there are lots of important priorities. Like you said, there have been many protests like this one from different social groups, equally valid. So how does one arbitrate? And again, sometimes Green insists on putting money in less urgent things, which would be great in a first world country, but unfortunately we are not at that point here. Some good ideas get imported fast because of globalization, but it doesnt mean the whole world is ready for them.

Thats right, that's why in a highly Red society, Yellow would not only promote Green and Yellow values, but also healthy Blue and Orange, as they are still an elevation from Red.

Yes. My claim is that in this case violence is useless. Because its not just about goverment's denial of social problems, there's just no money to please everyone, no matter how many buildings they break.

Strongly agree. It's easy to see Green as rainbows and butterflyes from a 1st world country perspective. But when a 30% of population is Red, Green dogma (demonization of Blue and Organe and denial of their healthy asspects) can't deal with social problems and becomes counterproducent. Yellow in such a situation would highlight the healthy asspects of lower stages and be considered as a conservative. I am very pro Green values, in my post about gender deconstruction they took me as a crazy progressive liberal. Now it seems I'm coming out as a conservative.