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Look guys, Sadhguru is also deluded You should send him and email or a letter to correct him as well, to set him straight.

This is very common as you advance on the path. Enjoy the univere's winks

@Someone here Like I sad, that's from the Ego's POV. I'm not disagreeing with you, it's a truthful perspective, but it's not the only true or useful one. We all can learn and have richer conversations if we are open about exploring different perspectives instead of pushing a petty one.

We're on the same page then. To say there's no choice to me sounds kinda rigid, like you are looking at it too much from the Ego POV. Conciousness does have a choice

You are right about there not being an indivudal chooser. But to say there's no choice makes it seem like the stream conciousness is a rigid mechanical thing that goes on in a linear deterministic way. In fact, the intrinsec intelligence of conciousness, without a central agent doing it, is drawing particular posibilities from a pool of infinte potenial. That's how reality is created. This you could call "choice" or not, that's just depends on how you want to use language.

The occult is mostly based upon becoming concious of sublter planes of reality, which have a descending causality upon the physical level. All major traditions recognize this, that's why Easterners also talk about the Subltle Body and it's Chakras, Prana, Siddhis, etc. You can think of these planes as being intermediate levels beetween "Pure Formless Awareness" and the "Physical Level". They are more amorphus and fluid. The mind exists on these leves (which is why you can't reduce a thought down to gross matter) and affects them. This doesn't mean you can break nature's laws and affect physical reality in any way you want, it's still limited. But rather realising that nature's laws actually aren't as rigid as materialist science believes, which is only concious of the most gross level of reality.

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That's why I feel it's a weak point of Actualized.org that it's strongly biased towards Eastern spirituality. It makes people close-minded about some asspects about spirituality besides Awakening. The East also deals with the occult of course, but it's mostly concerned about Enlightenment and Liberation. Whereas in the West it's the opposite.

I agree, but be careful about going into things with a debunking attitude, assuming they are false beforehand. Of course you will get nothing out of it that way. Sometimes what it really means when people say "You have to believe in it for it to work" is just that you have to approach it with an open mind. Consider that even if a closed-minded materialist goes into non-duality, he would never realise it to be true. It's a delicate balance beetween not buying things on faith, but also giving them a fair opportunity.

@Consept Those are very crude Stage Blue examples, of course it's dogmatic. Mysticism, unless it's a low quality source, doesn't ask you to believe but to have an open mind and practice.

Personally, I do not claim that. If you are interested, by experimenting yourself. If you are not interested, and still claim that X is a dogma, without any experience, that itself is a dogma. There's no easy quick way of separating the wheat from the chaff. It takes work on your part.

There are people who just take things on blind faith, yes. But it is also true that there are many asspects about spirituality that you can confirm by direct experience besides God Conciousness (which is the main spiritual theme Leo talks about and everybody here knows about). But of course from the POV of someone who isn't experienced in these other asspects, people who claim such things will look like dogmatic fools. Just like someone claiming that God is not a belief would also come across to most people outside this forum. Of course you should not blindly believe in these things, but rather making your own experience if you are interested.

Have you considered genetic causes? There's an enzime called Monoamine Oxidase, which degradates DMT, some people naturally have much higher levels. There could be many other biological causes besides that one. But this is hard to know for sure. I would try other psychedelics and routes of administration.

The awakening moment itself will probably be deeper on psychedelics. But if you are able to achieve a sober one in meditation, it means your baseline everyday conciousness is significantly high. Like being on a low to moderate dose 24/7. Better going for both IMO, they potentiate each other.

Not only will affect America, but the whole globe unfortunately.

This.

@Gidiot I'm sorry but I don't feel you have understood my perspective. I'm NOT advocating for solid Blue. But it is often demonized by Green and it's healthy asspects are neglected. That allows for a lot of Red barbarity. Of course Green is of much value and even more so. I'm tired of repeating this. Seems that many of you guys don't even give the benefit of the doubt to anything you think it is slightly conservative-sounding. If you are gonna keep misunderstanding and implying that don't even bother to repy. I advocate for a healthy Green which integrates the lower Stages. But in practice what happens is that teens and young adults (the top wealthier third of society at least) just absorbe Green ideas (which is good) but they start off from there without any sense of why the lower stages came to be in the first place. The main point is that demonizing specifically the order of Blue in a still highly Red enviroment doesn't work. You cannot deal with the barbarity of Red only using the soft Green aproach. Red is fucking brutal and ruthless. It's hard to really have sense of this if you live in a developed society. There is value in Green's compassion for Red of course. But it's very naive to think that will be enough when Red is still so prevalent. They will still rape and kill you, which is what happens on a daily basis.

Cute strawman.

I understad that in a developed society Green is almost a neat positive with no downsides. But in societies with low socioeconomic developement, advanced ideas get imported fast becasue of globalization and the country may not ready for them. You yourself have said many times that one cannot skip stages. In a society with 5-10% Red, maybe reacting against the order of Blue is not problematic. But with 35% Red, it is. Please really contemplate this before dismissing me as a conservative. I agree with Green values. I made a post about Gender Deconstruction and you took me as a crazy radical liberal. I'm even trying to become a vegan believe it or not But at least in my country I do notice the downsides of a part of the young population jumping to Green too fast without integrating lower stages. If they did, there would be no problem, but in practice it doesn't happen. I'm open to dropping this perspective if someone explains why it's incorrect instead of deffending Green as an absolute good without taking the context into account. That's a tier one attitude, we're better than that.

C'mon, you yourself said until Yellow all Stages basically misunderstand and hate each other.

In practice, that's rare. LOL Really? Red rapes and kills you and your familiy Is that simple. Really try to imagine what's like to live in a society >30% Red.

In my experience Green is prone to denying healthy asspects of Blue and Orange. Integration comes with Yellow. In my country it's really problematic to have one third of the population in Red, and Green demonizing the order of Blue. I understand that in first world it works different because there's much less Red.

People, all major spiritual traditions and gifted persons recognize the existance of subtler levels of reality and their (limited, yes) effects upon the "physical" level. It's only unexperienced normies whose only "spiritual practice" is mentally masturbating about non-duality that deny this. Call me arrogant or whatever, but that's the true. If you go deep enough you will realise this at some point.

God-Conciousness requires no ego. Occultism doesn't (there is some correlation of course). That's why in Western traditions they start by the latter.