The observer

but leo isnt desire part of what is and should be surrendered to? thats what im doing here any way. when i started this thread i had a desire to share my thoughts and as im typing r now i have a desire to reply to u. so ultimately i am fully surrendered to what is and i understand that this is how it should be but then what else should i do? desire still exists and its moving me and i dont have a desire to resist my original desire haha so i just let it take control. i should suppress my desire? is that what ur saying? b cuz other wise we agree and theres no resistance here just an expression of my self probably due to being unfulfilled and due to the current patterns of my psyche

u guys dont know how to research and u just take what ever narrative they feed u which accustoms ur deep rooted desires its just so sad u dont want the truth u just want to comfort urself by lying to urself

i would love to hear more about this equality cuz i dont really see it in action. i believe r now less than 1% of ppl control more than 99% of the money and resources like extreme alpha chimps so hows that more equal? literally 99% of people r hamsters stuck in wheels labouring for those 1% and even worse they fail to see it. how sad! things r not always explicit and obvious u have to have a keen eye and a clear perception to connect the dots. r now we r even more enslaved than the labour that built the pyramids. human beings will look at us thousands of years later they will think of how marvellous these things weve created so far r and be amazed at this simple yet cunning trick. a trick made by changing the outfit and stripping u from the inside without u even noticing and rather with ur own will and support. its already way inhumane but were used to it so it goes unnoticed. i assume u think uve questioned hierarchy to death? sounds like u could go further i think were running around in circles hear and what i said above should be enough

i agree all these points basically boil down to the essential two points ive mentioned earlier which r desire and programming and the solution imo is to question all structures to death but that of course takes decades of dedicated work but any way it seems like uve missed my point that even questioning all structures to death wont get us there b cuz delusion has gone way too far by now and its out of control. we actually dont want to question the hierarchy b cuz we both want it and need it so unless some thing breaks down that cycle like enormous suffering or fulfillment for instance we wont likely even desire to question it deeply enough in the first place. dont forget that even if we question it we will still be addicted to it so we will need time to detoxify too and dealing with addiction is extremely difficult on an individual level so imagine how much more difficult it would be on a massive collective level. so its not only that there r ppl who r defending the hierarchy but that i am and u r one of them unwillingly corruption runs very deep it affects every one no matter how developed or enlightened they r of course to various degrees. its all about maintaining a certain level of control over reality and thats not an easy thing to let go of even for the most enlightened partly thats b cuz thats how the hierarchy is designed when ur on top u have certain responsibilities that u have to maintain and by letting go of control u will suck at ur job and u will get replaced soon enough by the hierarchy it self so now u can see how tricky it is to tear down or even just try to manipulate a working system i didnt propose a solution b cuz i dont believe there is any i barely shared my conclusions after thinking about the subject for my self so this conclusion is exclusive to me again it seems like uve missed my point its not that simple cuz theres deeper mechanisms at work here its not just about the abuse of power from the bigger picture. rebelling against the hierarchy will not simply bring a more just hierarchy but will instead merely make it more sophisticated and individualised version of it with each individual having to fulfill a certain role in that hierarchy and the more individualised and sophisticated a system is the further it gets from fulfilling the core desire of the human being which in turn makes the system harder to maintain b cuz it will tend to get corrupted easily by some thing like money which fulfills the core desire more easily and more effectively so thats where bribery and lobbying outdo morality and eventually the ppl with more money will be able to manipulate the system so u can see that its probably a dead end. this is not exclusive to money b cuz corruption works on many different levels including psychological which is the most tricky part of every hierarchy b cuz for example ppl with higher iq will manipulate ppl with lower iq both consciously and unconsciously b cuz we r easily deluded by what we cant perceive... and so on and so on

@Leo Gura ok leo gotcha but i still believe it doesnt have to be black or white either im a devil or a angel specially with learning perhaps theres some traps which r unavoidable but there may be others that we can avoid by observing others thats why im the observer haha. of course that takes a lot of consciousness to pull off so in the end i guess ur probably right

i hear u leo but i think the greater unity and love r not necessarily one certain way specially not so much sophisticated like they r today they could be very simple like im proposing but the problem is that in the bigger picture there can not be equality without inequality u see what i mean leo? b cuz right now we r not more equal than before simply b cuz of the diminishing of inequality but instead b cuz our equality is built on skewing some other equalities like the natural balance by pollution for instance and by invading other countries and destroying theyre equality u see what im saying? all of the rights that some of us enjoy today r on the expense of other beings lacking them and gods judgement or balance is coming back at us to bite us in the ass and perhaps this whole covid-19 thing is one example of balance.

what im proposing is that after questioning the hierarchy of needs it becomes clear that all needs do in fact stem from one and only one need which is the need to survive whatever that means. so in our current society survival means that u have to be creative for instance b cuz otherwise others will outdo u in this aspect and u will fail to make it for long but if there was no competition then the desire to be creative would go away b cuz it would become useless and the whole process would be pointless as ur already fulfilled cuz its easy to survive and no one is going to kill u. also what im saying is that desire stems from the lack of fulfillment of that essential need so the idea of love and passion that ur talking about gets replaced by self love which makes the society im describing perhaps even beige to be more precise. and from this pov the form of love ur talking about is exactly the obstacle to create the utopian society b cuz it creates an illusory cycle that allows for competition and this environment encourages and creates all sorts of desires which all in the end aim at surviving u the only difference is that without that cycle there will be no ego and therefore no identity to survive. imagine a society where every one is enlightened and does not fear death. one last thing is that fear stems from unfulfilled needs consider that the more desires u have the more insecure u r on the inside and the purpose of those desires is to make up for that insecurity by creating an illusion of control which makes u believe that u r safe and that ur survival is maintained.

the most important rule for quitting addictions is to remember that it will get tough at times and that u will backslide but nevertheless u should get back up and continue doing the hard work cuz u know its rewarding and as long as u have enough desire to break free u will so having a strong desire is even more important than any thing else

the highest teaching is no teaching and thats what hes teaching r now haha

leo i love u and i understand the radical acceptance u have but is it really necessary to go through every trap for us to learn it? isnt it possible to learn by learning? one of ur best videos is called learning = observation so thats one way to learn about the world without committing every single mistake and crime there is. lets be real here do we really have to be so cruel? we shouldnt blame every thing on lack of development some times i feel its more about stubbornness.

apparently hes busy r now driving his green lamborghini or something with his 4 wifes b cuz ? is not ? flying out to lala land oh yes kiddo watch out cuz u wont know when the apocalypse comes and jed please hand me the zen stick i wanna ❤️ and ? yes kiddo its not a joke ?

hitler actually loved other people. only problem he loved his people a little bit more.

then perhaps theres a subtle judgement about these things in ur mind. i would investigate there b cuz that judgement could become an obstacle on ur integration process. make sure u love every thing and not demonise any part of urself. journaling can help too. gd luck mr. Victor

@Victor Mgazi sounds like depersonalisation and of course the cure is stimulation for example sports socialising sex and basically any thing that we usually label "low consciousness"

@electroBeam for someone who writes many essay long posts every day on an online forum u dont seem like some one who wants to abandon society but merely to find an actual friend or partner who understands u and resonates with u on a deep level. just sayin may be ur just bullshitting urself haha

@Zanoni sorry i didnt mean to demean the video or ur aims to display and discuss a particular perspective. i was just expressing my thoughts and the video is certainly valuable for many people on many different levels including me so for me it was a form of entertainment and thank u for sharing it. again im sorry if my comment was inappropriate.

theres divinity every where. may be focus more on the high vibes ur getting from low consciousness activities. there really isnt low or high consciousness activities. theres just matching or not.

idk i watched it. the people who r being called out on simply seem like ordinary chimps that arent aware of their devilry. the whole thing seems more like self deception than a conspiracy. also the fact that u quoted "two years of blood, sweat, and tears by a team of woke professionals. It’s been independently produced and funded and is available on many different platforms for free for anyone to watch" makes it sound pretty much like brainwashing and using a mind manipulating technique to add more credibility to the video. i mean y would it matter to me how much work has been put in to this? the truth is irrelevant of how much effort is claimed to be put in it. and in fact that makes it even more suspicious to me that its just another way of mind controlling and pushing agendas that the average chimp human uses. it was an interesting watch in deed but still it was a waste of time i would have preferred to watch some leo video instead at least he teaches u how to be critical and gives u tools to go around that unlike this video which teaches u how to reject everything mainstream just b cuz its controlled by a certain group of people. also this conspiracy theory lacks big picture thinking which leo does not. in the end this whole called out on manipulation process will create effects that the "conspirers" cant predict so its kinda pointless to label them as conspirers cuz theyre just ignorant deluded chimps who happen to have power over certain things that most people dont. ill leave it at that even though i have more to say cuz i got tired.

luv luv

the thing is u cant wake up unless ur asleep and u cant sleep unless ur awake. my son this is the cycle of god. awakening = understanding and by creating contrast between knowing and not knowing u create awakenings which themselves r illusory and of ur own creation. wake up son theres no such thing as awakening.

Nahmaste

hehe u silly boy do u think it matters at all? hes doing what hes doing cuz he knows reality is groundless and that hes free to do any thing he want. enjoy the things u have. y not? desire knows no logic and no limits. let the divine love guide him home or lead him astray cuz theres a plan weather u r aware of it or not.

some times it can be time consuming especially when journaling electronically especially on phone other than that its one of the most effective practices to deeply understand your self and your shadows. i prefer journaling right after meditation as my mind becomes more still and focused and as meditation tends to bring out deeper stuff to the surface @Commodent interesting thing that comes to mind is that have you tried journaling about that? i try to initiate curiosity before starting to journal and it always works. this going meta thing could go on to infinity.

demons are anchors that delay and resist evolution to higher energy cuz theyre lower energy. angels in turn are rocket higher energy that pull you away from the living present moment straight to death. any way both of them are there and they are what they are cuz god wants to manipulate life cuz without them there cant be life. try to stay away from both extremes to be most aligned with god even though you cant be not aligned with god i just mean for well being its often best to be mediocre.

i think theres a bit of misunderstanding of phenomenon here. of course first person experience is first person experience but why always assume that its not a bodily phenomenon more so than a mystical phenomenon? every thing is mystical regardless of being weird to the norm ie rare or unfamiliar so why attempt to find a secret meaning or message to some brain activity? again im not denying the mystical nature of it im just trying to reduce the noise of thought. take the lesson away and throw out the rest cuz its unnecessary weight. like i can identify myself as a coffee table i know that every thing has happened already in a loopy manner. when you believe a deja vu phenomenon has a certain meaning it in effect does cuz u create all meaning. the present moment is not separate from the future or the past and theyre not just thoughts when you think of them theyre the present moment.