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@Rahra how did you get to this?

Really love what this guy does and ive been watching him for a bit now. Had alot of influence on me. What do you guys think of Jreg? I personally see him as a 2nd tier stage yellow thinker. Swapping between perspectives. Holding multiple views simaltaenously. Forcing people to think for themselves being intentionally contradictory and implicit. Holding meta perspectives. Hes an inspiration!

Yupp, was about to recomend this. Another vote for this Maybe he could do it as like a anniversary speixal. Just sit down for a long 4+ hour thing and just go over as many questions and "but leooooos" as possible

thanks guys @NoSelfSelf just makes me see things as means to ends, ends which never come. doesnt feel good. less appreciation and real gratitude and presence with my life. I think leos episode on needy perception is quite applicable. ive noticed how nothing ever felt like it was enough for me @Consept thanks for ur words and inspiration my man, ur appreciated. i am more on the ocd side id bet, i have deep insecurity, shame, not being enough, its certainly an adaptation. i have a hell of a shadow. just thank god i suffered enough to become self aware and realized i was love, and could do better haha. self awareness and ownership has been a blessing @Breakingthewall yeah id agree with the sentiment, i think that we are hard wired for it. its nothing you poof away over night. i dont think receiving validation is a bad thing, or something we shouldnt like or enjoy. the issue is the baggage and desperation.

Narcissism is something I think about alot as I worry I have a higher than average dosage of it in my personality. How can we learn to truly give up our selves and agendas and empathically serve our environment? I find the issue of narcissism runs uncomfterably and almost existentially deep when you expand the definition of it to account for selfishness as a whole. I find it screws up my life from anything from dating and realtionships to my various life practices, music-spirituality and all. Its something we as a collective seem to strongly detest, yet, evidence shows we have an epidemic of it and it runs common. Perhaps it's in our shadow? I am deliberately tryign to make an effort to take ownership of my own which is honestly highly uncomfterable and threatening sometimes. I find the desire to transcend and be rid of it, ends up coming from it its own need to make itself into something it's not. The goal of my little video project is to take ownership and document this process. Maybe that's something you'd be interested in maybe not. Guess I'm just curious if anyone else has dug into this in themselves. Is it a normal thing to realize when doing personal development work? How can we better deal with it in ourselves and others? How can we know where our intent lies and cope with its self deception!!

Leo please, would you ever cover what the Mind is? Mind at large, finite minds, tie it together with solipsism and all.

@JoeVolcano when it actually happens, your left totally mind fucked. absolutely bizare dude i love it and i hate it

Not sure if this is the best place to post this or in the emotional problems, or even in actualization and life advice. But my best guess is here. I'm relative young 20. Last weekend I had really profound dream. Just bizare, included some mystical spiritual phenomena, coming Into contact with some spiritual group, accessing some thing I vaguely remember as the one infinite Whole, from then on shit got weird and less personal than my dreams usually are. It's rare i encounter much in my dreams than general human encounters, forms from childhood, parents and all.. it was glowing, reminded me of other times I've experienced other more cosmic, new agey astral stuff in my dreams (rarely). It ended in me essentially sucking the dick of a shape shifting transexual alien? Lol. Had rainbow nipples. There was another human (who I knew was actually an alien shapeshifter) who told me okay time to go home, and boom I felt some sense of vaguely falling through a wormhole I woke up with trippy ass visuals and I slowly kind of came back to my bed, 1 in the morning. pretty strong derealization. I felt like I broke through the matrix, this was realer than real. Usually I wake up from dreams like yeah just a dream whatever. It was different this time, I felt like I just needed to ground myself back here again. Fuck vrrything Leo says hah, it's too much! Just let me pretend 1+1 = 2 and shut, I'm just a little human on planet earth you know?? Too fucking much, ask and you receive, careful what you wish for and all. Truth is fucked. All seemed so clear, so much less of the typical nonsense of seeking. It was all right there more or less, wanted nothing to do with it. I've had strong intuition into the shit Leo talks about, your god, reality is imagination, all is love. Had some various expereinces which seem to confirm this more or less, I have used and abused marijuana to satisfy myself with glimpses to the point of crippling derealization and psychosis symptoms, ? I use these sorts of things as a means to escape idk, the realities and headaches of egoic conciousness and humanity. I just feel this sense of alienation. I feel this sense that nowone gives a fuck, like I have lost it, I am an alien in the world lmao. Like nowones ever gonna get this, it feels like a mighty lot of responsibility, but there's a great power. Since this dream trip, I've been meditating alot more powerfully (I've been off weed for a few weeks now after commiting to no longer doing it). Giving up my mind, had a deep ass expeirnce of love. Almost as a means to escape from life. I feel like a deep part of me understands all of this shit and it's clear as day (mysticism blah blah) but my rational mind kicks in and is pissed, can't keep up and my ego essentially is trying to build an identity out of it cause I've directly seen it's all realer than real. It's just like fuck dude! I think I'm being foolish. I am finding it hard to stay practical in my life this week, to just sit down and play the piano. My mind gets distracted, ADHD kicks in, I can't put down the internet, I am constantly reading about the har problem of conciousness. Tryign to grokk my mind around what the fuck is going on here in desperation that if I just figure it out I will save myself! I feel like I'm being foolish with this stuff. Can anyone relate? How can I still connect with others? How can I better take responsibility for these realities of life? It's just been alot lately. I'm not scared of it, I knew this would happen really. I just feel like, it's alot to take on alone you know! Im meeting with my spiritual therapist tommorow aswell ?

Lmao, don't do that

Thanks for the replies, plenty to work with here

I guess my main objection is, if there is nothing apart from what is here and now in my direct experience. Then how can I be quite confident Pierre is waking up right now in France, or that anyone else on this forum is doing what there doing, all apparently out of my direct conciousness! (I have a feeling I'm mixing up my identity and assuming the identity of this apparently seperately individual locust of conciousness)

@The0Self would you call the thing in itself, the noumenon, that tree which falls in the forest and makes or doesn't make a sound when nowone is there to perceive it conciousness aswell? I guess I'm just curious what that is, maybe rather than it being out of conciousness, it is simply out of the perceptual field of my mind body complex. Is conciousness just the substance then? It can't be atoms cause what are atoms made of etc.. plus atoms are also just more sense data and qualitative experience arnt they? I guess my greatest hunch is that reality is simply nothing and the whole thing exists as that and when perception and the sense aparatus occours that's just more of that nothingness appearing, colourful and "thinged". The thingification is simply just the finite mental activity. Maybe the reason it is appearing as if there is consensus and empirical similarity and objectivity happening is because of similar limited mental structures in animals, other humans etc.. are literally designed to interact with the noumenal nothingness of conciousness/allowance/being in the same way, it produces a similar image hence creating the illusion of the phenomenal shared reality. We have no proof that our experience qualitivatively even looks the same anyways. Is my red your green? Etc.. The question of what anything even is beofre anyone looks at it completely fascinates me Man, feel like I might be making this over technical I just really want a well reasoned position. This sort of inquiry and mental sexy times keeps me up at night sometimes..

@Leo Gura even with a willing open mind I find it so challenging to get. Can you elaborate on how the world view breaks down and where it is overlooking? I just don't get the whole notion of there being nothing out there outside of my direct phenomenal experience. I feel like there ought to be something out there that is being perceived, regardless of whatever it is. My direct experience keeps validating it but my mind just cannot rack itself around it, I really want to understand it rationally. Any tips here?

I really struggle with it personally cause I have this deep assumption that outside of my direct experience exists something which is still directly perceivable by some kind of sense aparatus regardless of my own. It seems like our model and interpretation of reality relates to a real fact of what the apparent "things" of perception consist of. For example the toilet paper roll I see before me, it's shape and quality is all determined and allowed for by my sense apparatus, but that thing in and of itself I have no clue what that is. I know that it's there because other apparent entities or body minds interact and can pooint to the same thing even outside if my direct conciousness. I just find my mind and model and interpretation is so desperately stooped in this way of thinking. The more I try and get out of it the more I feel stuck in certain examples.

Thanks for the reminder peanut bro. Was a nice read, thanks for your care and consideration. Made me feel good to read what you had to say, I feel satisfied with the replies to this thread. Lol man, it doesnt match whats out there its just like, you know.. a representation of it that our human minds which are like.. you know, generated by our brains are conceiving of. We know theres something out there cause what would all of this be if not the perception of it! How could it not be if we have this experience of it! Everything is material because, idk man. Its made of atoms or some shit, its made of something lol. This is pretty silly and its hard to take myself seriously We could just drop it.

Really got into Leo in 2020, did the thing where I basically took everything he said with faith (unconsciously) cause it felt like he was the only one who got me lol. Fast forward a few years, digging deeper into nonduality, some subtle awakening experiences here and there, very active mind trying to conceptualize and model everything out into a way that makes sense. Feel like ive been hitting a wall, everything ive ever assumed and taken on about this thing seems to be utter unknown bullshit that I dont really get. I feel like im at a stage now where my models and ideas cannot get me any further and im just bypassing important aspects of my life. Ive been cracking into philosophy and metaphysics much more and I find it hard to hold all of that aswell as a direct groundless grounding in the absolute unknowability of this thing. Bit of a mind addiction, dont want to put the learning and taking on of things down. Can talk up a whole storm about consciousness is this, the mind is that blah blah, but it all just feels like a distraction from the real thing and im insecure. My mind will have a tendency to get frustrated looking for answers and just default back to materialism even though every ounce of my being knows its gotta be BS. Any tips for breaking out of materialism for good? Really getting this directly without needing to continuously hold it all so tightly? Im tired

Dream or not its a shared experience, its all we got here lol. Sure, all of it is relative to its own existence, whatever it is. Dream or not, (lovely way out of that one isnt it ) If its the mind only then why do we share interpretation across minds? Why are all living beings reacting and responding to some kind of shared world? Regardless of what it is. For example the cat in my room seems to be just as cognizant of other happenings as I am regardless of how we interpret them subjectively. Sure solipsistically we cannot empirically prove it, all we got is our direct immediate experience which seems to clearly point towards there being something out there which exists regardless of our perception of it. Are you claiming that if I go for general anesthesia at the dentist the rest of the room and operation doesnt happen in my time unaware of it?

@peanutspathtotruth yeah man, i guess all of the remarkable "holy shit" moments have been in those spaces, its never a mental thing. its directly grasping that ungraspableness and how all the hand waving will never equate to what I want. mind is certainly a big addiction for me. I just feel like I want it both, I want to get this but also be able to think about it, and use it pragmatically lol. Ive kind of made a new ground out of the groundless as a means to continually spin mental webs around and end up confusing myself. It gets uncomfortable and I lose sight with the obvious ungraspability of what im actually looking for. That space of pure being! Where what these tricky smarty pantses are saying seems to make some actual sense for once lol. It often just turns into desperate seeking for something to happen and trying to get somewhere in that silence rather than actually giving up to it. I feel like I cant hold my liquor (thought and mental masturbation). I have the insight and its like cool, cant actually know anything about anything, lets just continue to extrapolate that into more stuff to think about! Its one thing to continue to think about this, telling yall lovely introspective self aware stories about it, its another to actually do it and commit to it. If I really want it I will need to actually follow through and take the advice seriously, which will be uncomfterable and "suck" until it hits me over the head again and im like oh right! "Ive been doing it again!". And that process as its happened the last year of "having it" telling stories about having it until im left suffering and bypassing until it apparently happens again. lol I dont want to give up thinking but I dont want to be chained to it and suffer lol, ive seen that theres another way but then I get frusterated again and want to bypass and hold all these yummy ideas about things which are just more bs. It also just gives the mind much more force to fuck with me in other ways, focusing on all my insecurities, being attached to all sorts of relative survival fears and what not. A giant distraction from the real work here. Ugh

I'd play this game with you. The most immediate proof I have is a shared experience which can be directly validated by others. I park my car in the garage at my house. Go up to my room, sleep, it's still there the next day. I point towards some phenomenon such as a cat, my dad can also point to it and recognize it's there. I close my eyes, turn around, the cat phenomenon leaves the sensory perception. I have basis and proof to assume it is still there existing as reality, I have just blocked off my perception to it. It exists regardless of my perception of it. It's physical in the sense it caries certain properties and which we can observe and reason with, we can break these properties down in various relative measurements which directly point to physical characteristics which we can derive from it.

@dearleo123 cool man, i guess im just curious what your even doing on here if you think leo is just some sham bullshitting whos misinformed lmao. I hear you though, i guess im just curious about the metaphysical basis for materialism. An objective world seperate from our perceptions and mind which exists and which conciousness apparently arrises from. made of atoms or wahtever the fuck. this is what im skeptical of but keep wanting to refer back to and intellectually pry my way out of lol when my own direct experiences try to point me away from it. I think were all indoctrinated into this. your example of things being real and mattering or not is probably still compatible with other outlooks like idealism. if anything, from what i know of materialism it would be closer to things not actually being real, just chemicals in the brain man!! your not slicing your hand off! it doesnt matter! its all just fucking chemicals in ur damn head! chemical reductionism lmao. chemicals and brains all the way down! Your point about integrating it I think is missing the mark of what im getting at, doesnt mean science and practical applications of making meanings out of things is useless or hasnt given us lovely relative advancements and survival benefit. agreed we need to integrate orange. orange as a metaphysical basis for whats going on here is pretty retarded though. it just doesnt feed my soul man! its not the truth! it doesnt bring us real happiness!

thanks you guys, all good suggestions. appreciate it. a commitment to a proper meditation practice i think will be helpful in many aspects.

Just watched this and thoroughly enjoyed it, loved the way it all come together in the end. Super satisfying How am I ever not myself!!!

I want practical solutions to meeting new people and developing more of a social circle. I feel like I have no real people to just get out and do things with, I feel socially isolated. I have an amazing community I'm apart of but it's online. It would be great to meet some poeple with somewhat similar interests. Feel stuck in a victim mindset of feeling hopeless about not really knowing too many people and I don't commit to any clear ways of getting out and making it happen. I have some connections in the band I'm in aswell as know some people from my highschool. I have spent much of my last few years alone and stuck inside. Spent alot of time with myself and I've only been begining to get back out again in the last few months. I'm at the point now where I atleast just feel comfterable to be out and around people and show more of my authentic self.

@fopylo right this familiar. I just imagine it as like epigenetic components passed down from distant relatives. We just inherit all kinds of shit and it often goes unconcious. Forgot to quote the reply lol. Basically where you were talking about past lives and traumatic events popping up. Sometimes il just get these random ideas like I get scared I'm going to go to sleep and then I'm going to wake up in the middle of the tundra lol. Weird shit that seems to have nothing to do with my experience. Weird fantasies and thoughts etc..

hmm, direct action to injustice, anything involving action and bringing about change. emotional boundaries, like green self improvement. these are some of the things that come up for me