Dima

yep.. straight to the point.. It's not a bug.. It might not resonate with 'normys' (as Leo frames it, no offence to anyone, but it quite characterizes tier 1 people), but the more complex and sophisticated some one is - the less people can really understand him..

Some years ago, I quit social networks, dating apps, and similar platforms because the ratio between value and the “damage” no longer felt favorable. Solutions that rely on speed, volume, engagement, and performative self-presentation didn’t work for me. Finding people who truly resonate — who share similar values, depth of thinking, and orientation toward life — became harder, not easier. If you’re at Yellow or above (or late Green), do you experience this as well? How do you solve it?

How do you recognize these people? I know probably what you are saying, but want to go in depth a little bit.. A few questions? The way the person carries himself? Really curious..

cool ) How do you find these people? Do you have such peers?

And do you feel ultimately lonely because of it?

I am not talking about romantic ones (though may be you mean all types of relationships).. Also - being for example at yellow stage - being a hermit - sort of a normal stage - you just know what to do and do it.. But ultimately when you grow further - you realize you still need people.. At least that's what I've realized.. And you don't need a lot of them.. 1-2 - but real true deep connections is enough..

Agree on that physical interaction is needed.. True empathy can show up only IRL.. But also what makes a relationship deep and sustainable - alignment in values, worldview etc.. Physical attraction is good, but not enough..

As things are getting more 'complicated' (in a good meaning) I think efforts are needed. If we are talking about deep meaningful connections - they are not given, they are elaborated, built, it require efforts, navigating conflicts etc.

Got you. But I probably didn't explain myself well.. It's definitely became easier to get into someone's shoes. I don't see any problem talking and finding common ground either with the UFC fan, new ager activist or a business guy, etc.. But I am talking about those who you can be totally trully yourself and create this meaningful strong connection 'for yourself'. How are doing with those?

@Mohammad thanks for sharing

https://youtu.be/Fo_lDTDSO-M

hi! If you are a vipassana practitioner and also a tech person who writes code - please let me know - i'd love to share an idea that can become an app. Well, if you are a business person or smth - also welcome )

https://www.dhamma.org/ imho the most authentic one. And I would recommend not to do it by yourself or learn it through video - take a 10 days course

hi Leo, thanks for what you do, appreciate it. You mentioned your sensitivity to psychedelics caused by genetics etc (just an example, there are many other examples of your interaction with 'objective reality' that contradicts god's realization states). It sounded as truthful as talking about imaginary birth etc. and there are both true (just by being parts of a 'whole'). So my question is how much you think you've embodied to your sober stage of what you'd realized under 'catalyzed' states? How much of god's realization has penetrated your 'mundane' reality? thank you

@axiom thank you )

@axiom thank you, haven't heard about it, but that reminds me 'aniche' (everything changes) a lot.. i guess what I am trying to say is closer to implicit vs explicit. implicit order (aka god) contains all explicit ones (aka our perspectives) and the question is what (who?) makes this choice to pull out a particular explicit one and why (and what makes it even more complicated - its holographic principle - every explicit one contains the entire implicit one..) I'll be happy with 'it can not be understood' answer (as one can just live through it, not understand), but we can still elaborate on this in terms of metaphysics.. anyway, thank you, it gave me some food to digest..

thank you for this. that is close to what i am trying to put into words.. once you've got a realization of what god is (yourself and everything else as ONE) there are still some instances (realizations) that are not symmetrical. the question is why god is dreaming itself in this particular way. 'Events happen and thoughts occur' is not enough to explain it...

please, don't take it to nonsense.. the question can be formulated how much of turquoise Leo has.. in terms of system thinking, connecting dots etc. Leo is way beyond an average yellow.. though what turquoise requires (from personal experience and studies) is pure compassion, unconditional love and 'lack' of ego..

@Leo Gura where do you find yourself on Spiral Dynamics in a 'sober' state?

what is more interesting (and i would be grateful if you shoot a video on this) what are the prerequisites for choosing this instance of 'physical reality' instead of any other as they are all symmetrical and imaginary. In other words - why reality is so diverse and complex (symmetry again) (hope it makes sense)

it's all clear (it's really is)), everything is in harmony already (because It Is), everything is love, and I am a god same as you are (though of course I just imagine you, but why my imaginations should not be a god?)) and as everyone else is. Same as we have infinite options for our behavior models in the 'mundane' reality (you can be an asshole, a sage, or mother Theresa) - it's all one and thus 'symmetrical'. Despite it's all symmetrical we still chose an instance(s) out of an indefinite set of possibilities. So why we don't choose to act as a 'god' in the 'physical reality''? I was thinking of psychedelics work as a getting a blueprint that you can embody in 'physical world' in order to 'become a whole you' (instead of being between two states - sober state (which is more like your stage) and 'catalyzed' states). Do you see it differently? (assumed i (you) work 'enough' on my (your) ego to escape surviving mode in 'physical reality')

i understand that comparing to infinity doesn't make much sense.. but I am not expecting exact numbers. Let's say what is your idea on how much you love people in a sober state now compared to your love, let's say 5 years ago? And how much psychedelics experience helped with it?

+1. And being frustrated with those shallow dating services I've come up with my own startup: allkindsapp.com

nothing wrong with getting stuck anywhere.. ??

I haven't been lucky so far to meet one. But they should be somewhere, right?