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If your experience isn’t generated by your beliefs, what would you say is determining your experience? What do you think determines your state of being, emotions, behaviors, reality, etc. The usual materialist paradigm is that there exists an empirical physical reality that determines your experience or at least most of your experience. The understanding of the nature of consciousness is that everything you experience is generated by your consciousness, it’s generated by you.

Are you afraid of knowing that you generate your entire experience with your beliefs. I don’t really understand the kind of responses I’m getting from you.

@Carl-Richard If you have any questions I can explain it to you.

Everything you experience is generated by your beliefs including any drugs. You generate the drugs and the experience you have from the drugs with your beliefs. The drugs aren’t actually contradicting your beliefs. Beliefs/definitions generate your perspective of existence. Every possible perspective exists now, it’s simply a matter of what perspective you match the frequency of with your beliefs/definitions.

I get what you mean. Good discussions, I’ll do more experimentation.

@James123 In my experience there still is form, it just doesn't have any of your attention and there's a complete surrender to it. I would have to do more experimentation on that in order to give you a clear answer.

Yes, you're in a sense tuning out of the form and thus there's a complete surrender and no entanglement with form. You can also do that from a place of still being engaged with form and thus not being entangled with form.

@James123 The idea of something being before birth is an illusion. You are talking about the formless nature of consciousness and you can in a sense focus on that formlessness, however, the form doesn't go away when you do so. I get what you mean when you say that the experience ceases, it can feel that way but the form still remains, at least that's what I experience. It's like you are tuning into the formlessness and thus the form doesn't have as much of your attention, even though it's still there.

@James123 I still have an experience in deep sleep. I know that when you still your mind, your limited identity ceases and you experience more boundlessness. I personally don't have a cease of all experience when I have no thoughts. There are samadhi states where you have a deeper experience of being god and you can experience more of the formless nature of consciousness, but it's still an experience.

I do meditate for such hours, very frequently. I don't make myself meditate for strictly 3-4 hours everyday but I've probably averaged somewhere around there in the last 6 months. It's not about an active mind, beliefs are more fundamental than mental activity. Even if you are in a state of complete surrender and no mind, you still have beliefs/definitions. When you stop thinking you still have an experience, if your entire experience stops when you stop thinking, I haven't heard of that, unless your going into some sort of samadhi state.

@UnbornTao Are you saying to get the nature of life before understanding consciousness? What is your response referring to? If you are referring to understanding the nature of life before understanding reincarnation, I somewhat agree with you.

You may think you don’t have a perspective but you can’t have an experience or any kind of action without having a perspective. Any action that you take you take because you believe it’s the most beneficial action in that moment. Everything you experience is generated by your beliefs/definitions, because your experience is literally your perspective of existence/reality.

If you had no perspective you would have no experience. In order to even take an action such as having a discussion on a forum you have to have a perspective.

Consciousness is infinite perspective. Perspective is temporary yes, but whatever perspective you have in any given moment is what determines your experience. Your experience right now is literally your perspective of existence, right now. If you have negative fear based beliefs/perspectives. You will have an experience that you don’t prefer, a negative experience. If you expand your consciousness and have a higher level perspective of life, you will experience more of your true nature; joy, love, bliss, passion, excitement, ecstasy, etc.

You as consciousness choose the next incarnation. Both your higher mind and ego have a say, but it's still your choice because you operate from both the physical personality and higher mind simultaneously. You have full freedom to experience whatever you want, you are choosing to have your current experience right now, even if you aren’t conscious that you are. The beliefs/definitions you are buying into with your physical personality construct generate your entire experience and thus nothing ever contradicts that, including when it comes to your next incarnations. I would say no one really needs to worry about their next incarnation being lower than their current incarnation as long as they are taking action in a positive direction, doing things such as expanding their consciousness, following their passion, letting go of fear, using various tools and techniques, etc.

@Sugarcoat The next incarnations are still chosen by you. It just depends on what your physical personality/higher mind want to explore next. If you achieved a certain level of consciousness in your current life, I don't think you would go below that. The next reincarnations you take aren't random, they are relevent to whatever explorations you are doing.

@Sugarcoat I don't think the reincarnations you take are going to be entirely the result of the fear you might be in before you die. It should happen more as a reflection of your overall state. Any experience you have is generated by your beliefs/definitions.

@Hojo That's good to hear. You might still have some remnants of the limited identity that are perpetuating the 15 year old mentality. My experience is that once you clear out the limited identity and have a fully boundless identity, your mentality starts to also become boundless. It's like you start acting from infinite intelligence more and more as you continue to expand your consciousness.

That’s a pretty intense way of looking at it, It’s true. I look at it as realizing you were never alive to begin with and thus the “death” of the limited identity is an illusion. The realization that I was already dead was pretty shocking to me. Anyone who might be turned off by the understanding of the “death” of the limited identity, it’s a good kind of death because it’s just transcending the limitations of the limited identity and realizing it was never alive to begin with. You also realize there is no such distinction between life and death, it’s just one thing. The “death” of the limited identity allows for all of the benefits of the physical personality/ego without any of the limitations or constrictions, it’s a positive thing.

@Shane Hanlon I agree with that definition of integration/inclusion.

@Shane Hanlon I thought we addressed that you were generally talking about the idea of including more things into your experience and not talking about letting go of the illusion of separation. If you just start including things into your experience without discernment you would die. My definition of inclusion is letting go of the illusion of separation. I’m very confused about the kind of inclusion you are talking about. You spoke about infinite inclusion, what’s your definition of that, I don’t understand.

@Shane Hanlon It still seems like you are making including into an action. By default everything is already all-inclusive. If you make inclusion into an action and start including boundlessly you lose all direction. That’s why I stress the importance of discernment in what you include into your experience. You could try to include a tiger into your room but you would end up dying. If someone actually followed through on the idea of boundlessly including everything into their experience they would end up dying very soon. I think that’s all I’m going to say and will end on that. Just add discernment to your context of inclusion.

@Shane Hanlon You mentioned infinite inclusion without transcendence. I see that as an absolute disaster. How can you have infinite inclusion without transcendence? You at least need discernment between what is relevant to include and what isn’t. If you don’t have discernment with your inclusion from that context, then you have no direction. There needs to be a relevancy to what you include into your experience or you’re just including for no reason, which is antithetical to having a healthy life. Which is why I’m stressing that it’s important to not separate this from transcendence and the other aspects of spirituality. Discernment in this context just means including what is relevant into your experience and not just boundlessly including which is antithetical to any kind of pursuit.

@Shane Hanlon I’m fine with any definition you have of integration/inclusion as long as you add discernment to it because inclusion into your experience without discernment is a recipe for disaster.

@Shane Hanlon You’re not going to get a very holistic definition of including/integration if you are trying to separate it from transcending and other aspects of the spiritual process. Like I said it’s fundamentally about letting go of separation. If you want to weave together all the different aspects of yourself, you need to let go of compartmentalization, suppression, avoidance, denial, and any other vibration of separation/fear. If you want to go further than that you can add extracting growth from any aspect of yourself, current and past. Anything more starts getting into aligning with your true nature, transcending, and going into other aspects of the spiritual process. I don’t understand the insistence of separating inclusion/integration from other aspects of the process.