WonderSeeker

Victor got Orbán-ned. @Monster Energy Besides Hungary, what are the other countries voting this year? I'm an American living in Asia, I don't know squat about Europe. Do the polls say immigration is the #1 issue? How about foreign policy and the economy?

I concur, it's a solid thread (not that I'm biased or anything). Maybe some ego and talking past each other — I'll admit some fault on that — but now that we're aware of it we can make the conversation more productive. I'm relatively happy with my situation, especially where I see it going in the coming years. Am I done though? Hell no! I still have some work to do as far as dating quality partners over taking whatever has a pulse. As an experiment I tried that and the rewards were minimal. Amazing sex with a psychopath or getting your D sucked in a parking lot 30 mins after meeting the person weren't as thrilling or rewarding as the RSD/pickup people made it seem it would be. Right now I'm in Korea, getting ready to move to China and create an adventurous social circle and find a solid girlfriend. In Mongolia a few years ago, I had some epic dating experiences that changed my life and I intend to create the more of those in China. Strangely, and my Australian bro (who has had 100+ ) can attest to this, Korea/Japan are SUPER hard to date in due to the barrier. I'm mid-journey but the way I see it, it's okay, even healthy to see where you're going (the spiritual path) and start living it if it suits you.

You have a tendency to assume people lack experience if they disagree with you. Here are a few examples from this very thread. Just curious what that's about. I don't mean this to be too personal, but do you feel like lack shows up in your life somehow? I do shadow work on this stuff all the time btw. These are routine questions, irrespective of outer results (having or lacking them).

You assume if someone hasn't slept with a "high" number of people, then they are insecure about it. Out of genuine curiosity, early on did having a low body count cause you negative emotions? And/or, when you got it to a "high" number did it change how you felt about yourself? At what number did it become "okay, I made it"? Personally in my life I used to have this anxiety about my lack of experience, but when I let go of that my results went up, and more importantly I learned the quantity was never important to me to begin with. Quality matters far more. I think when we're young society pimps us out in funny ways.

Dude, I appreciate your inputs here, but you make so many assumptions and twisted conclusions it's hard to take you seriously sometimes. If you wanna psychoanalyze, fine go ahead. Just ask real questions first. ----- Still, I think what @integral said before, about people having different authentic desires is spot on. Yours is to sleep with women and form social circles for its own sake. Cool. Because you've done all of that, it's hard for you to imagine any other way and so you project that onto others here and in real life. Mine is different due to what biologically runs me which I'm becoming increasingly aware of. The worst mistake I ever made growing up was trying to shove myself into paradigms, including a dating paradigm, set by the loudest ones with the most results. The more I did that, the lower quality my results were. The more I stuck to what's true to me, the more and better quality my results. I am an HSP and tend toward demi-sexuality. Those aren't identities I wear on my sleeve, they just explain a lot of things I've had to wrestle as I grew up. Now I can be me. I could go on, but I invite your inquiry and perspective. Because actually wondering who others are is better than projecting. Clearly we're 2 very different people — and our disagreements aren't just mental — which is something I enjoy a lot because it's a chance to learn.

I'm the same way. Ever heard of demi-sexuality? When it comes to casual — which isn't my favorite form of intimacy, but I've still engaged in recently — you can get yourself into an emotional state where you are passionate about the other person. But at the end of the day, it isn't 100% true and you don't take it serious enough. It is true that you're treating them as temporary objects for your pleasure. As long as the other person agrees to it and you aren't manipulating them (fine line, I know), then it's not necessarily bad. But still... Authenticity, depth, loyalty, and mutual understanding are, and will always be top. Body count is vanity.

I never said sex in itself is a low consciousness activity. Where are you pulling that from? All I said was having sex without soul is low consciousness, and the need to go through as many bodies as you can might be compensating for something. On the other side, not making the dating journey and living in reaction to those who have succeeded could end up as bypassing or being needy. Of course that's also true. I'm assuming I don't have the same standards or sex drive as you. If I had your results it'd probably be more than enough for this lifetime. Bonding is important, yes. I'm still in my dating journey with my own unique goals and desires so I'm not in any way done with this. In that last part you're basically talking about lifestyle design which I think is a great idea. In my life I've gotten my best results dating while in lifestyle-design-mode. No disagreement there. Stage yellow derives its values from being, so I don't understand the argument you're presenting. If your goal is conscious relationships, then that sounds more Tier II to me (note I haven't reached that place yet so I'm not some preacher). If you have, great. Please enlighten me.

I appreciate the creative ways in which you go about your business. Sounds like you have a fun and rewarding system going there as far as purpose and relationships go. Nevertheless, @Natasha Tori Maru is right when she says: Reason being, just because you talk about all of this in a highly systemized, elegant, nuanced way doesn't automatically make it "Tier II." To think so is to completely misunderstand what Tier II, is full stop. I mean dude, who needs to say this: Glad you're enjoying, but nobody asked. How does this relate to the thread, except proving @Valach's low consciousness point...

Appreciate you Joseph ~

Also good point. Of all the partners I've had — from a 1 hour affair to a 3 year relationship — I've had a wide range of experiences. Trauma. Ecstasy. Depression. Pure happiness. @Valach and @LordFall I'd like to see you guys continue to hash this out, minus the negativity. You're both providing some good perspectives.

I think this is sound advice. Maybe I'm going about it wrong but I haven't met a lot of women who could be this. Maybe 1-2 in my life so far. And of course with the one I was seeing for a short time, we both ended up moving countries at the same time. So I haven't gotten to find out what sexual and personal co-evolution is like yet. ----- Btw, just on a practical note for this thread, a lot of you guys aren't grasping what I actually said in the original post. Note, "the actual number doesn't matter." It could be 100 or it could be 2. What i was saying was keeping an internal chalkboard of tallys for each person you bed is low-grade. The issue is the concept body count in itself is hijacking your imagination and affecting how you see yourself and other people. It robs you of your presence as you go about your business in the sexual marketplace. Thats why emotioanlly/physiologically detaching from the concept is so important. That's the main thing I was hitting on.

If you still fall for this, Jesus Christ. It's body count. It's the most potent shit test the collective sexual marketplace puts up. For the PUA community and for most normies even, the standard is 100+ body count. I heard that standard talked about by Owen Cook's coaches at a bootcamp I attended in Miami in 2023 I saw it talked about in this sub-forum the other day I hear laypeople talk about it So, the standard is 100. But it's not about the number. The benchmark could be 20. The point is the emotional load this concept carries, the pain, the distraction, the stupidity it causes. Naturally, this leads to, What is all of this about? At a meta-level, body count is a collective shit test by society. To see, "Can you, this emotioanlly-driven, little human think for yourself?" Can you can see through 'body count' to something better? I had the intuition that body count was an INCREDIBLY low-grade way of viewing your sex life as early as the age of 18 when I first heard about it. "How the fuck do people pedestalize such a thing?" I thought. Now some of us feel like we gotta karmically burn through it. I know some forum members bulldozed their genitalia through human flesh and came out the other side wise as fuck. So, I'm not a high-horse preacher, saying you're a sinner for it or anything like that. This is more for guys who are still under the spell of the paradigm, but in a different way. I'm talking to those people on the side of the coin without those crazy results, but who still, on an emotional level, believe it actually matters. I added "emotional level," because in your mind, you might have rejected this notion long ago. But in your body? When you hear someone talk about it, or watch the below video, you may feel a disturbing charge in your body. That means you're still under the spell of body count. A stong reaction in either direction (positive affirmation or negative resistence) means you are still falling for the paradigm and therefore stuck at a lower level of Dating, Relationships, Sexuality. On a purely logical level, the amount of bodies you've tapped somehow being relevant to your life or anyone elses is hilarious and extremely self-centered. We all know that. But to oust that feeling of not being good enough (non-results side of the coin) or the racing feeling of "I gotta have another" (results side of the coin) is the tricky part of transcending it. Truth is, feeling like you gotta bag 100+ bodies = deep insecurity (whether you succeed or not) And all of that is encoded in: feeling body tissue vivid imagery You cannot logic your way out of this. About a year ago I started combining introspection with somatic therapy, removing the charge I once had around this issue. Although I never consciously believed in body count conceptually, I still lived in reaction to it for almost 10 years. I was saddled with jealousy and fear even though it was not true to who I was and what I believed in as a person. Every time I had a new sexual partner I'd mentally add a tally to an internal chalk board, as it if it meant fuck-all about what my life represents, let alone what it means to other people. Whether you have 7 tally marks, 70, or 700, it really just doesn't mean shit. What actually matters is how deeply you can feel into your body, into your soul at all times, including during real sexual play. And then you take it a layer deeper, feeling into the body, the soul of your partner across from you. You do this because you value quality over quantity, a.k.a. you value alchemy over hi-scores. ------ Anyways that's my rant. I invite counter-agruments, nuance that I missed, examplary media, or anything else to enrich this thread. Peace

Hitting the lowest of lows gives the right people the motivation they need to rebound and go all the way. You are one of those people. In 2024 I burned out after putting my whole heart, soul, and money into a sales job I thought would make me rich. Lost 1000s. Rebounded with a corprate job and a business on the side. Burned out even harder and got fired / lost the business in 2025, losing 1000s more and becoming horribly depressed. Now in a career I love on the opposite side of the planet, on track to hit crazy relationship, money, and spiritual goals in the coming years. The curveballs are always good in the long run, I swear. Wishing you continued momentum and prosperity, Mr Majed

You're right. ----- Thank you for the encouragement @aurum , @Natasha Tori Maru , and @Hojo . In a funny way the combination of what you all said was exactly what I was looking for without even expecting it. Right now I am aware I am a vessel for some other intelligence, but that kinda freaks me out. Sometimes I doubt if I can trust myself with that responsibility. It makes me appreciate Leo's integrity that much more. In a weird way everything in the universe looks like intelligence to me. The intelligence here is I enter this intelligent forum, intelligent members ping me back, I surrender to what they (in this case all of you) said, and it spits me back out with something uniquely good for you to chew on in return. It's like I am consenting to y'all to use me to make you more intelligent. But HERE'S THE BEAUTY OF IT! My intelligence isn't in isolation. It takes the raw material you provided, mixes it with my weird insights and personal experiences, and spits out whatever you need personally in this moment. Whether it has a direct effect or a down-the-line effect is a different story

I think the "seeking function" has been active all along. It's just assumed different forms lately due to the unique circumstances of my survival situation. In 2022, I stopped the direct spiritual path because it started to get too intense. I was too young and did not have enough survival handled. Been mowing down student debt and building better relationships while travelling in the meantime. Doing somatic therapy, switching careers, and moving to the far east in the last year was fucking huge for my life I've been telling myself once I have a more stable platform, I'm gonna go balls to the wall with seeking. That day is getting closer.