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I've always found this sentiment so odd, never understood it. People will literally care less if you commit actual murder lmao

You better not steal my mountain cave, I called dibs

Lol I guess this makes sense. I've literally "coaxed" it into thinking that a basic math equation was wrong.

I did read it. What it says is basically correct but I think it's being misunderstood. There are "awakenings" or certain insights that come before enlightenment, but all of these are not enlightenment. For example, at the end of the first section he quotes Ken Wilbur (and I would agree with this): "Or as Ken Wilber said: From experience, to plateau, to permanent. Yet, Enlightenment is a decisive shift, or realizing/being/understanding for the first time fully the nature of ones True Being and of Reality." So, what there is to get from this quote is that enlightenment is: -a decisive singular shift -understanding for the FIRST time (the awakenings before were not it, just breadcrumbs leading towards it, therefore this is the first time, not the second, third, or fourth time) -it is permanent Awakenings are more like "hints" or specific insights about enlightenment. For example, this is what every psychonaut is basically doing. They'll have a genuine awakening through psychedelics, which is valid, because by definition they are insights and temporary, they don't have to be permanent, they are just states/experiences, they are nuggets of truth that you have to bring back or slightly embody. They'll bring back some insight like "oh, the universe is love" or "the universe is infinite" or "God is completely alone", but you'll always sense this lack of completeness in their resolution, you'll see this desire to chase after more "truth" in them, and a lot of times you can easily see some human delusions are left over, therefore, they are unenlightened. That's because the medium of memory and knowledge is wrong, you cannot understand what is absolutely true through memory or knowledge. There is an existential reality which supports those insights that is directly embedded in experience, and you can view it without memory or knowledge. Enlightenment is like a resolution to all those awakenings and improvements from before. It's a recontextualization that embodies ALL of those instantly and permanently. It's like finally seeing the entire elephant for the first time rather than just touching parts of it (using the analogy of the blind men and the elephant). At a certain point, something will sort of "click", or you'll untie the final "knot", so to speak, and then there won't be anymore "increases in truth", the realization will just be final. You'll just kind of realize: "Ohh ok, so every single experience works this way." And this is what enlightened people can directly see 24/7, it's not some idea or philosophy, they are just conscious of it forever, because it exists in all experience. And, there is no identity involved, it's just pointing to existence/truth. I have to say, since my enlightenment, I have realized the absolute biggest trap in this "work" is just getting lost in stories and ideas about enlightenment/reality and never actually achieving traditional enlightenment. You can't skip over it. It's not just some trivial human desire to reduce suffering, it is the only way to perceive reality accurately. When you get there you will understand. If you don't understand, that is ok because you're not enlightened. but you need to have the open-mindedness to actually consider it, or else you're just stuck there forever. I find that the term enlightenment is very bad for teaching enlightenment (in certain circles at least), because when you try to describe it, you get a bunch of unenlightened people trying to tell YOU what it is. So, it's just a mess. And I completely understand why private workshops are conducted now, and why every tradition has their own terms and descriptions and methods. I also understand why enlightened people sometimes don't call themselves enlightened. It just puts ideas in people's minds that aren't supposed to be there. I am not saying that it is an end to exploring metaphysics or psychedelics. I'm not saying it's an end to exploring life. I'm saying that it's actually the beginning of life. And this is where you can actually start doing what you want from a place of clarity and love, not a place of attachment and fear and delusion. If Leo became enlightened and THEN pursued psychedelics, this would transform his work into something even more amazing than it already is (assuming he still has the desire and interest afterwards). Not to introduce some appeal to authority or something, but just using another person I would consider enlightened as an example, there was a newsletter from Ralston, and Leo asked a question about his experiences, and his response just perfectly encapsulated my sentiment here, and now I understand why Ralston is so careful about psychedelics and the like, because it can really pull you away from enlightenment (truth). The entire thing is in the link, but this is the quote I am specifically talking about: https://mcusercontent.com/8a146e2bfe98efdd8c326d97a/files/08332a98-370d-44da-86ff-2c04a3ff1858/CHNL_Summer_2020.pdf?mc_cid=f12b90ff1c&mc_eid=3667cfd58d "Direct conscious is not relative and so there is no this or that. In your descriptions of awakening there are a lot of this’s and that's, here and nowhere. You may well have had some insights but I think you are also making conclusions about it and extrapolating out where things might go. Please consider this as a possibility. I have had many conundrums come up along with intense contemplation. Something "calling" me to join, the pull to leave or stay, feeling like dissolving, or the whole world falling apart, shattering, and so on. These felt urgent and important at the time, like I had to decide something or now knew something about reality. But to tell you the truth, although they may have been impressive and dramatic, I doubt I could have "left" or done much at all really, it really wasn't my decision because I (as are you) was still the central player in all of it! They were all states, experiences, desires, longings, ideas, etc. They were subjective in the end. Cool, but subjective." Furthermore, here Ralston briefly talks about "testing" his enlightenment with acid:

No way? When did ChatGPT become so spiritual

First, I wanna say that it's really admirable that you are posting this despite everything you've gone through. It's commendable that you're still hanging on, that takes a lot of strength. There's also nothing wrong with feeling bad or having trauma or anxiety, these are all perfectly normal reactions to what you currently think you are perceiving. It might seem like a discrepancy when you're feeling scared whereas everyone around you is acting normal, but that's just because you're perceiving things differently, so it makes sense for you. Right now you're in a compulsive state, and this state triggers many different thoughts about reality. Your previous state had more hopeful thoughts. Your current state, maybe not so much. But, there is this aspect to reality of "change." Things can change. You experience it all the time. And intuitively, maybe some part of you senses that there is "more" or there is "potential", which is why you are still here. That part of you that existed in the previous canvas still exists, and it is trying to return, so to speak. That part needs lots of love from you in order to be nurtured back to health again. And, deep down, you really do love that part of yourself, no matter what anyone says about it, no matter how harshly it was treated, it's one of the most important things to you, and it's not hard for you to love it, because it is you, and so you understand it fully, and so it's not hard at all for you to love it. You might have developed assumptions about reality and yourself as a defense mechanism. You might assume that reality is unkind. That reality doesn't love you. That you can't be loved. That you're broken. And so on. And all of these assumptions and feelings come very naturally to you right now, because you are in a compulsive state. But, there was a moment where you weren't like this, and so there is that potential for change there. There are maybe some moments that you remember, or experience from time to time, where you forget or stop perceiving any of this. Maybe when you go for a walk, or hang out with your friends. These moments are really important from bring you out of that compulsive state I mentioned before and helping you think clearly. The way you feel in those moments can be made into something 24/7, and you can even make permanent positive changes to your life from those moments. Suddenly, things don't feel as hard anymore. There are moments like that. And these moments hint at the real YOU, which is absent from the newfound memories or assumptions or thoughts about yourself. You slip into this state sometimes. If anything I said was off or didn't feel accurate, that is fine. My main point or sentiment is just that you are stronger than you think, and that you are more loving than you think, and that you always have the potential to change, even if it's just going for a walk, or going to a cafe. And that these actions keep you in touch with the old you, which is not actually old, it is present right now, but it is clouded by assumptions and memories and judgments.

I mean, you are all imagining that you lived whatever years of your life right now. You're not experiencing 10, 20, 30 years right now. That's impossible. You're just experiencing this moment. So the trip makes sense metaphysically.

Yes. Just to reiterate, my point is not something as naive as "thoughts are untrue" or "nothingness is the truest state." I'm saying there is a clarity of perception you can achieve (truth/enlightenment/self-realization), which prevents you from being metaphysically "tricked" by thoughts or any other experience ever again in terms of perception. It's not a specific state. It's a realization of what reality is and how it fundamentally works, that goes into all other states and exists in all other states, because it is absolutely true. I think the point that might be confusing you is the idea that experience cannot be thought of, which I still agree with. These posts might expand on that point more clearly:

I know. My position is not that thoughts are unreal. Of course they are real. It is SOMETHING that's happening. Theres just absolutely no reason to worry about them. It's like I'm trying to point out to you that the snake on the television screen is not real, and you're like, "But, you know, technically it's real", and then your heart starts racing in reaction to the screen. I am saying that you are enacting physical symptoms in reaction to thought, which make the thought "feel realer" than it actually is, and this causes you to misinterpret those thoughts and create a belief/perception (whether conscious or unconscious) that says "this thought exists as something that isn't thought" or "this thought is me" or "this thought is a threat to me." You are delegating experience to thought, which is the only way to actually be scared of thoughts in the first place. And, experience is NEVER thought, experience is always the whole thing, and it is infinite. You cannot subtract or abstract a part of experience and say "this is experience", because no, it's just a PART of experience. You cannot escape or delegate experience with any word, thought, or communication no matter how descriptive it may be.

If there is no conceptualizing or abstraction, then yeah it is just experience happening by itself. And this is equal to understanding/knowing which is not conceptual. The experience sees itself, so to speak. But there is never a thing or subject or object that can "know" experience. In this case, that will always just be conception.

No, it's just a way of conceptualizing perception. A medium for describing things. "I know" > How do you know something that is infinite in quality? You can't know taste, touch, physicality, color, etc.

What's happening when you identify with thought is: >> pure sense perception (thought) >> the real you decides to act as if the thought is true (heart racing, avoidant behaviour, self-deprecation (more thoughts), etc) Unknowingly, you are extrapolating thought into something that is not thought (physical symptoms mentioned before), which experientially makes it SEEM like thought is connected to experience, but it absolutely isn't. The "connection" with thought is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You get spooked by a real event (physical symptoms), you create a belief about the experience that spooked you, and then this belief recreates REAL physical symptoms which cause you to misinterpret the thought as real. If you recognize this unnecessary connection, the "realness", which is simply just physical symptoms, will stop. There is also this underlying sense that you can predict or interpret experience, which is not the case. Prediction/interpretation is not experience, it's just a thought, which will never touch experience, so same deal as before. Experience is never something you can guess or hypothesize or misinterpret or interpret at all. Experience is just a fact, always. It's always there in front of you. It doesn't need any interpretation to exist. You don't need to interpret the color red, any interpretation is just wrong and won't represent red. Same goes for existence. Same goes for you. When you try to interpret and think about existence, or yourself, you are immediately throwing yourself into something that is explicitly NOT any of those things, and so you are immediately deluded when you try to replace existence with any of these things. There is a part of you that might logically understand this, but you don't "embody" it. There is a certain existential element to existence which supports this logic, and if you recognize that, it will permanently recontextualize your experience, and then you don't have to use logic to perceive it anymore, and then that is embodying. Not imagining fear just becomes as simple as perceiving the color red, no thinking needed. All animals aside from humans do this naturally. It's not something complex. It's not something you have to take 1000 psychedelics to do. It's a simple psychological shift/recontextualization that you can trigger and it just happens immediately, and then you don't have to worry about it again.

Lol yeah seriously

I perfectly understand what hell is now. Believing this statement is hell. This statement right here is literally what hell is. It's not some guy torturing you with pitchforks, it's literally just something that you think about and believe. Someone who believes Santa is gonna come down their chimney is gonna behave as if it is true, same goes for any statements like this that your mind adopts, so you will act as if it is true even if it isn't.

Yep. Any thought or description is equally as real as any other. That's why you can't "bring back" or remember truth. It's an incorrect way of accessing it. "Remembering" is just a tool for accessing the relative.

This is good. Communication by definition is not infinite, it's an abstraction of the infinite. I want to ask you: Is the sensation of taste infinite? Can you point to where "taste" ends? What about "sound"? What about "touch"? Now, what would happen if you just experienced all of these without converting them to a thought or communication afterwards? Where would you be left? Can you convert your experience of taste, touch and sight into a thought or communication about the sensations? Is it possible? Was it ever possible?

Lol maybe. I guess that's the fate of western capitalistic enlightened folk. No caves, just books. Or maybe I could write a book while in a cave. Two in one.

There is no normie enlightened state or multiple enlightened states or different degrees of enlightenment. It's all just pointing to one thing that either does happen or doesn't happen, like a binary, which a bunch of previous sages and mystics have been trying to point people to for centuries. It's the same thing the Buddha, Ralston, Krishnamurti, etc. all point to. When you achieve it, you lose your sense of time forever. You can never feel boredom again. The end. The ego mind looks at this and says: "What? It's just a binary off and on thing?? It's just some psychological recontextualization? That's so stupid! That's not enlightenment! Everyone told me enlightenment is infinite love and infinite bliss, and I heard reports where this guy literally became God and imagined everything with his mind!" And then the ego is stuck to those stories forever. Another reason why this confuses the ego is that it can't comprehend that all these "side effects" are actually just related to one recontextualization/insight. Anyways, namaste, friends. I'll just retreat to my mountain cave forever now and grow a long beard or something, I guess. I kind of get why they do that now.

No, social anxiety legitimately stops existing forever. You can't perceive it anymore. Pain is different, though. There is pain, because pain is an experience, not thought. Didn't deny this. Disappearing ego is just realizing that your experience doesn't exist in thoughts. Ego is a thought or perception that says "I exist in thoughts." You don't need ego or identities to love and be emotional. Love and emotions exist on their own. There is just a feeling of happiness, and you think "I want to share this feeling with everyone." It's not about "you" anymore, it's just about everyone or all of existence. Ego constricts love because it isn't love, it muddles the experience of love and gets in the middle of it. The ego is a misperception which causes you to think that limiting your love is the best thing to do. In the same way that you don't need ego to love the flavour of ice cream, the love of ice cream is just your experience of the flavour of ice cream, not anything else. The experience of taste is not ego, and it has nothing to do with anything other than itself, it is just experience. That's it. The color red has nothing to do with anything other than the color of red. Same goes for love and all the rest. Love, taste, touch, excitement, etc. are not ego, they have nothing to do with ego, they are all experiences, and experience is infinite. All the psychology which normally constricts these experiences comes to an end, and then what you actually are just flourishes naturally, and then that is enlightenment. Non-dual zombies sounds like what you get with psychedelics, with all these weekly solipsism threads, lol.

There is no identifying anymore. It's just seen as a useless input, and thus you never engage with it again. There are still thoughts. But they have nothing to do with "you" or "experience", it's just a subset of experience. This idea of "identifying" is always NOT experience, it is just an idea or thought. You can literally make this aspect of reality which you call "identity" vanish forever, and reality will still operate perfectly fine, and YOU will operate perfectly fine, because you are not an idea or identity. There are of course unpleasant aspects to experience, but they have nothing to do with you anymore, and they are neither negative or positive, as those are judgments created from thought. No. Only when you're enlightened do all your states have "enlightenment." Otherwise, it just exists as an idea for you. This is a really tricky point, because I know that there is this popular saying of "all states are enlightenment", and this is kind of true, because enlightenment is literally what you are, but if you have not recontextualized your experience and realized what you are, there is no enlightenment for you experientially. Everyone can become enlightened, because enlightenment is what you are and it is always true, however, there is a period where you are unenlightened, and this is very real. It is kind of paradoxical, it is like an optical illusion where you can switch from one image to the other. Although two people might be viewing the same image (truth), one can experience it in one way (enlightenment) and the other can experience it in a different way (unenlightenment). Enlightenment is just a recontextualization of what everyone is experiencing. So, everything stays the exact same, but it is viewed differently, this is what the quote "all states are enlightenment" means. It is always in your experience for you to view, if you just take the time to observe it carefully. Otherwise, you are not enlightened, unless some drug forces you to be enlightened temporarily, but then that would not be all states, just drug-induced states. Enlightenment is a specific psychological recontextualization which permanently changes your experience forever and prevents you from misinterpreting thoughts, or your experience, ever again. It has nothing to do with logic or reason. It's not some philosophy or some theoretical way of looking at things that I have to think about and integrate. It was an immediate and permanent recontextualization. It's just dropping all thoughts about yourself, and realizing "Oh ok I didn't need any of those, they were redundant." Then your brain never engages with unnecessary thoughts again, because it just sees it as a useless input. It's like having two tabs of experience open, and then closing the extra tab because it's wasting space and causing you to lag. Not quite. He becomes enlightened or simulates enlightenment when altering his brain chemistry. But, when it wears off, it's back to non-enlightenment. "Real" enlightenment is a very specific insight which prevents you from being susceptible to delusions induced by thought forms forever, no matter what state you are experiencing. You can't perceive past or future if you're on some psychedelic which removes your ability to perceive the past or future, for example. And then this would force you to be enlightened temporarily. But, it is possible to just permanently recontextualize all your experiences in this way, without needing a drug to induce it first. The psychedelic removes the parts of existence which "trigger" you into non-enlightenment. That's why it often has to put you through ego death first before it shows you anything. There is a singular recontextualization (enlightenment), which just prevents any thought forms from tricking you ever again, without the need for altering your experience itself through drugs. It just applies to all experience forever. This is enlightenment. The psychedelic is removing certain functions of "yourself" and preventing you from perceiving it by changing your brain chemistry, and then this might allow you to see some temporary state of enlightenment while on that drug. When it wears off, all your "normal" perceptions come back, but because you aren't enlightened (you haven't had this specific insight/recontextualization), you start misinterpreting these perceptions again. I elaborate more on this point in this post: Experience has no feature where it can "trap" itself. This is thought form and ego. What does "trapped" look like? Can you point to it? No. I am defining it as the state of everything, which can be realized through a psychological recontextualization of your current experience. Furthermore, the cat does not have the capacity to turn itself unenlightened. Humans do. A cat has no idea of "enlightenment" in its head. Unenlightenment is a human phenomenon caused by the capacity to think excessively.

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Just ask yourself: What is more intelligent? Love or hate? If you answered love, now ask: Am I willing to abandon all my logic and reasons about hating myself, just to love myself for no reason? If not, then how is it that you logically concluded that love is more intelligent, but now your logic and thoughts about yourself are saying the opposite? Where is the discrepancy? Perhaps self-hate is illogical? Maybe love can't be found in reason or logic? Maybe love is a higher intelligence than logic and reason? What happens if all your reasons about why you should hate yourself just vanished? Where does the hate go? What is left over? Now, have YOU ever existed inside of logic and reason? Are you made of reasons and judgments ABOUT yourself? Or perhaps there is a more fundamental existence to you, which has no problem accepting you and loving you as you are?

You can only imagine or think that something is hidden. Even the idea of "hiding" things is a human convention. The universe has no feature where it can hide things from you. Either you're aware of it or you're not. There is nothing to guess or hypothesize in experience. There is just thinking about experience. Your experience can't hide anything from you. But this also doesn't mean you know experience. Experience can't be known, it can only be experienced. The medium of "knowing" is insufficient for reaching or making contact with experience. Ask yourself: How can experience hide something from you? How would you even go about doing that? What would that even look like? You can't not be yourself. You can't hide from yourself, because you are you. This doesn't mean that there is an "end" or "conclusion" to experience, this is impossible because experience is infinite. But experience is always explicit by definition. It's always accessible to you, because you are it. I'm really feeling the limits of language typing all of this out, lol.

Ok, forget enlightenment then. You can keep your definition of enlightenment if you want. The definition does not matter, what I am pointing to does. I am talking about a psychological switch which will completely remove your negative emotions and perception of time forever, which is what I am literally experiencing right now. And I am claiming that this is enlightenment, not anything else. This same exact phenomenon is what the Buddha, Ralston, Krishnamurti, Eckhart Tolle, etc. are all referring to, and what has been referred to across time for centuries.