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What stage matches with a glass of water?

That is very well put, and If I were to add my interpretation, I think it naturally highlights the main issue of "trying to transcend the absolute" which will inevitably keep popping up.

In order to perceive a higher consciousness state, you must be a human. A human who dreams of higher states. A human who dreams of psychedelics. That is a relative human conception. Created by a human who has returned to a lower state, who imagines other states. Who then imagines exploration. Your entire idea of reality is based on human anthropomorphisms.

This is exactly what it is, but somehow you guys have reasoned to yourselves that this isn't what you're doing.

It is wild. Big cognitive dissonance. I think it happens from taking too many psychedelics. At some point he genuinely convinced himself that there is "more beyond the Absolute" and he just phrases it as "higher consciousness."

Does this mean that it is possible someday that you fully understand yourself? And you'll just be "done"? What is the difference between realizing that you are God/Infinity and realizing that you are an alien squirrel entity? Are they actually different realizations somehow? And why does the former take "less consciousness"?

Sounds like a very cool experience, happy for you. Thank you for this very important sentiment.

Guys, people watch penguinz0 mainly for witty commentary, not political or ideological takes. Kinda missing the point when you focus in on it so logically like that. The guy was clearly wrong about abuse. Penguinz0 is poking fun at the incident with his own style, he's not on some life mission to educate and debate about abuse.

Yeah, one percent of Truth and God. Makes sense. So now we have to INCREASE to a higher percentage so that we can become MORE God. And how are you coming to that conclusion? Surely it's experiential and not intellectual? But wait, percentages only exist in contrast to other things. Uh oh. Right. Being human is anti-consciousness. Ok got it, hopefully one day my consciousness will become proper and not improper.

You don't understand either. You don't even know what the weather will be tomorrow. No I don't. That's not something you think. You do, otherwise you wouldn't have listed out everything else after. Yes, exactly. You don't know how things are going to unfold. It's open-ended. I think you are ungrounded. That's all. Get involved with people and nature or whatever else. There is more to life than this.

That's what your entire post is. It is possible to transcend this sentiment. I get it. You're bitter. But it is 100% possible. You do get glimpses of it. If it isn't working for you, leave it. Go do what you want. Connect with people. Build something. Or just rest.

I already previously tried to define it in this thread:

No, that's a story that you're imagining. That's not what consciousness is. So, consciousness lacks the consciousness to understand itself? Really? Oh ok, so that's what someone who understands reality looks like. I guess I missed the memo. No one is denying profundity, that's not the point.

This is some odd bias. The consciousness of a giraffe is also beyond human. Reality doesn't become more real when you stop being human. Also, enlightenment would exist in all states, not just human. It doesn't stop existing because it's not relative, unlike all your deeper and deeper awakenings.

Psychedelics are powerful in that way. It's not that mind-boggling in retrospect. Enlightenment is binary. He just never had that switch to enlightenment. As a result, whatever states he achieved through psychedelics will have to be metabolized by the unenlightened ego through memory and imagination. And so he has created some weird model of degrees of consciousness and meshed it with enlightenment.

No. It is the crux of Leo, you, and most of his followers. No. He experienced facets of it, which are not it. Just relative awakenings. That's why all his awakenings are split up and "deepen" over time. No. If the absolute is beyond those, that means that those are relative. Because "beyond" implies relativity. There is a serious conflation with the relative and the absolute happening here that psychedelic users seem to be blind to.

This video here is exactly what Leo does not realize yet. When he says that he found something beyond enlightenment, he is saying that he found something beyond the absolute, but he has somehow convinced himself that he is not doing this.

Sarcasm I was poking fun at Leo's standard that every teacher has to use the word "Love."

Nahhhh Ralston just aint conscious of God. That's why he didn't use the word God.

No. You've put enlightenment in a relative model of "higher" and "lower." Not possible because those are dualisms. You've been putting enlightening states on a pedestal this entire time, so you are doing the same thing with the phenomenon of enlightenment. You are assuming that it is inherent to some specific state or way of viewing things. What you teach really does not incorporate enlightenment at any level. It's just awakenings and radical states of consciousness. You're not understanding that "degrees of consciousness" have nothing to do with Truth or enlightenment or reality. You're like a scientist misinterpreting their results. Things are being conflated.

Basically. I guess it makes sense now why all enlightenments across history basically happened "sober" and without psychedelics. It just doesn't work ultimately. If you can't decipher the absolute simplicity of what is occuring in your sober baseline state then psychedelics are seriously going to warp your perception of what is true. All the same sober deceptions can occur with psychedelic states. Ralston predicted that years later Leo will wise up and see that it won't work. So we'll have to see if that ever happens I guess.

So weird how the unenlightened mind interprets one Truth/enlightenment as some limit on reality. It's one because it's infinite. It incorporates all of reality in a way you couldn't even imagine. The mind really is primed to just seek and seek forever, huh? But I've only seen this sentiment on this forum. It must be a psychedelic thing.

Impossible. You say this because you don't understand what enlightenment is. It's not something relative. There IS an absolute truth, which is truth/enlightenment. The end result of enlightenment is not a process or something humans achieve. That comes before. It is true that unenlightenment is a human phenomenon, but this does not touch on the Truth that is realized. You shouldn't be fooled by the relativity that enlightenment seems to be "wrapped" in. Really grock this: If you are not enlightened, then you cannot verify enlightenment, you can only verify IDEAS about enlightenment, because that is all that it exists as for you, since you are not enlightened. You've never achieved it, so what exactly are you verifying? You're taking psychedelics to verify something you're not even experiencing. It's not this simple.

It's not an idea. It seems simplistic from your perspective because for you it is an idea. Part of the deception is that anyone can claim they are enlightened. And if you're not enlightened yourself, all claims about enlightenment are equally real, because it is just an idea for you. Of course, I have considered this. But, you know, he talks about it in that video. He also makes it clear he doesn't want to entice people with that word. So it makes sense.

I don't know him very well, but this can't be the case if he is actually enlightened. I also don't trust your assessment that he "doesn't know what Love" is, because this is what you claimed of Ralston a few times in this thread, which I disagree with.