gswva
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It feels like Leo is on point. The attachment to the idea of self isn't real, or rather, the attachment itself is an idea. The ego is some kind of self-sustaining knot inside an ocean of thoughts. If we assume them to be dualistic concepts, then this relativity could explain the illusion of perspective. I think other mechanisms like self-replication or evolution might not be involved here, else we would be living from the point of view of each cell in our body or of a macro-society. This tangle that God imagined, successfully trapping parts of it with itself, is a gift which requires a great amount of love to pull off indeed.
God seems to be pretty open about this, going back and forth between different state of mind isn't complicated, just hard. You can find psychedelic mushies everywhere in most forests and that's not a coincidence.
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@Javfly33 We create the same way God creates though.
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I don't know. I keep being surprised by the amount of knowledge there is to understand about enlightenment. I expected it to be an effortless path toward simplicity, but it seems that deconstructing thoughts necessary to the survival of our ego is just as hard as creating them. You say we need a high IQ to follow through the explanations here but is there a way to know about low intelligence people and the density of their ego? I.e. if we define intelligence to be the speed at which the ego can shape itself (ignoring the quality of the content), then there is this bias such as people might not share their own experience of self with the same amount of accuracy between IQ range. I expected low levels of intelligence to be low ego but since it's easy to stop being an idiot this days (except for me) with CDP-Choline, Omega 3, Mg, optimal diet, nootropics and psychedelics. I observed the exact opposite on myself: with more intelligence the ego realizes its efforts are selfish and never-ending which leads to spirituality either from despair, boredom or curiosity. Although I don't think it correlates that way, I don't understand the deep nature of the ego.
I like the fact Leo and this place embrace rational thinking on karma and metaphysics, as well as being aware on its own limits. It's uncommon this days and more interesting than most science in the sense that we don't just assume everything to be coincidence. It's like the theory only get simpler until you become the theory. Having a system-oriented mindset doesn't even require thinking about what the universe is, but also what it could be. It means the problem can be solved with pure creativity, which didn't occur to me before. It's fun and doesn't seem to be just for the sake of feeling superior. The concept of hierarchy between yourself doesn't hold very long.
Not to mention, Leo reveals explicitly on some of his videos that one of his goal is to go "as deep as possible", potentially leaving aside the intention of having the widest audience (This might not be exactly what he meant so don't quote this). People only interested in the experimental aspect can always discard what they don't want to follow as another inconsequential layer.
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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:But that's exactly what mankind has done for a million years. It's in your blood.
The hunter-gatherer trope is popular as a preconceived image in most artist's works featuring human ancestors, but it doesn't have much basis on reality. Through the entire history of mankind, most civilizations have thrived on a diet that mostly consist of starch, whether it's wheat/barley in Europe, rice in Asia, millet in Africa or quinoa in south america. We have evolved to eat cooked starch, which is a novel source of energy that allow us to efficiently fuel our brain and store plenty of food during the winter. Human is one of the animal with the highest amount of starch digestive enzyme in the saliva, as well as the exclusive one in it, and having the highest number of gene duplication. https://elifesciences.org/articles/44628
1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:If it was truly unnecessary we would be able to easily eliminate it. But it's not so easy.
The issue is easy to eliminate, but it is our fate as God. The only one who can take the tragic responsibility of causing suffering is ourselves.
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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:Have you noticed that the most argumentative people are the most false?
And the most truthful people are the least argumentative?
Why is that? How do you explain that?
People might find themselves in some sort of "ego deadlock" where the more pain originates from their false belief, the deeper the idea becomes knotted into their mind. Defending their worldview becomes a matter of survival while they lose interest in seeking truth. It is more profitable for them to attack others than trying to explain themselves.
Then it also works with joy instead of pain and the root grows even larger.
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@Pramit The quote sounds exactly like what god would say to protect our ego. Can we really believe anything?
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How does the trick even work? Is this something you can only understand through awakening?
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But how could you stop listening to yourself?
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I don't think we should purposely ignore people who lack knowledge or seem to be void of intellectual potential. We don't know what path or hardship they went through to achieve what you assume as a starting point. Intelligence is exponential and multifaceted which is really hard for our brain to evaluate. Obviously it depends on what is your goal in life, not everyone has to be a teacher.
Personally, I try to not bother people with metaphysics if they aren't interested into discussing it, but I think we should listen to everyone and everything as if it were god talking to us. Consciousness puts effort into every little thing that is happening everywhere.
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@EternalForest What if "creation" in an awakened state would always appear self-consistent with the universe from the point of view of the ego? I mean, by changing the universe you are also changing yourself, which could explain why there is no definitive record of a "miracle" ever happening in the history of mankind, despite the possibility that awakening could've happened an infinite number of times in many worlds.
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I used to hate spirituality but now I believe all the inaccurate wisdom we find everywhere only exist to preserve our dualistic worldview for as long as possible. Absolute truth might only come from oneself. Though reasoning logically with metaphysics is pretty handy in daily human life.
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@Prevailer What I understand about duality is that it's an infinite number of ways god can be described relative to itself. If this understanding is correct, it could be the only way to share a somewhat fulfilling interpretation of the universe. I feel like reasoning around a dualistic worldview to achieve one's dream isn't just good or bad. It's just all there is to do. If duality were a bad thing, it wouldn't exist or be created in the first place.
Basing our view of the universe over the "cat and ball of string" analogy, as shared by Leo on one of his video, there is no belief powerful enough to prevent you from ever converging back to the initial state and there is no such thing as non-sentient robots.
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If God is everything, then everything is. It makes sense to call any part of it "God", no matters how restricted. Though from the so-called human viewpoint, we don't know how God creates the multidimensional dualities, or let alone itself. But I don't think a distinction should be required, since as God we already know how to access those understandings, with psychedelics and death, which are yet other concepts/stories waking you up. Calling oneself God is a clear way of sharing the idea that even the most altering state one can go through isn't enough to define yourself as anything else.
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What if some benefits of meditation, mistakenly associated with mindfulness, actually came from restructuring your brain out of it's default anxiety-filled network? It should be the same thing metaphysically speaking.
I share the idea that the "just don't think" advice is ambiguous. We're actually thinking about the "lack of thought" here. The infinite struggle we make to move through the multidimensional state of the universe is something our ego chose to experience by itself, whether it leads to fear or happiness. Meditation reshapes you in a way that could be said as "I don't want to experience this anymore". I feel like meditation is about getting as close as possible to the state of death without completely ever reaching it. It's one way to experience life, but not for everyone, ironically depending on personal taste.
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On 29/03/2020 at 3:06 PM, Leo Gura said:@Prevailer Your nervous system is imaginary.
As long as we solve problems by following the rules of the universe (as in science), we can keep eating the cheese! Why would God go through all the efforts to create the infinite layers of complexity that prevent us from going meta?
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Our ego only exist through the perpetual efforts we bring into its survival. Starting from biological needs to deliberate attachment to pain and joy. In essence, becoming one with everything (first statement) or desidentifying (second statement, as in, we purposely chose to "discard" whatever is happening in the universe) are the same thing. The latter eventually becomes efforts toward a state where you forget you are supposed to be an individual.
I really think that the concept of effort is key to understand how consciousness shapes itself.
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How do you know Leo is you mind-tricking yourself from understanding awakening so you are able to enjoy the infinite of the universe? (I'm not calling you out for a potential lack of understanding, I'm actually wondering as someone who isn't awake.)
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As God, we are probably only causing so much suffering because this is the only way we can experience the endless cycle of suffering and happiness. Infinite paradise might simply not be metaphysically possible.
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By writing this post, I can change the content of your mind the same way you do it, or how "god" does it through what we call reality. All the religions and divine insights, ironically imagined by God, are layers of what the ego uses as self-preservation mechanism.
No, God is the only consciousness there is. There is nothing external that interact with it or cling to it. And not all state of consciousness leads to the ego, it's one carefully crafted set of interlinked thoughts that prevents itself from being forgotten.
It's true. We can grasp a good idea of how reality works within reality, but we may never know what consciousness really is about.