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@Surfingthewave dreaming is comfy

@Inliytened1 But then why am I exploring the world from a human point of view and not from a cell or any infinitesimal bit of form?

@Inliytened1 mmpf. So consciousness is inherently restricted by form? Or is the illusion of perspective a construct of duality? Edit: just read the thread, nvm

@LaucherJunge Nothing is stopping you from writing a better search engine or social network with higher moral values. The problem is, how do we know what really defines morality without experiencing non-duality or higher level of awareness? It makes sense to stay consistent with what we want to know.

@LaucherJunge It reinforces the survival of the ego in a viral way. You are burying yourself in duality which is the opposite of what the forum is supposed to be about. I'm sure there are many communities in which you can already discuss this. It's not like I care though, just sayin

@Preety_India You don't have to compromise. It's not like some humans are carnivores and not others. Most of us can thrive on a plant-based diet.

@Preety_India You're not really going to feel the vitamins or minerals ingested in food right after a meal. The body needs a bit of time to assimilate them. It's mostly a matter of calorie density. As a reference, beef has 2.3 times more calories per gram than lentils. The plant fibers also make you feel bloated and tired when you are not used to them, but the issue goes away once your gut flora adapts to it, usually after at least 2 weeks. It's hard to get convincing when it comes to the ethical aspect, but keep in mind that modern farming is pretty much industrialized torture. There is no greater amount of suffering being experienced right now on this planet at such a scale, and from a single cause. Some estimates 72 billions of land animals killed every year (source). Ironically, there isn't any necessary nutrient in animal-based "food" which isn't available in plants or supplements. Going vegan is often not so easy but always possible, unless you have some rare disease. Listen to your heart.

Why not eat tofu or lentils?

@LaucherJunge How do you know some of the sources you learn conspiracy theories from are more truthful than others? Isn't it just because they are pointing out "villains"? You assume every lies and agenda to be against you. Does the amount of pain you are experiencing right now really justify it? Or less specifically, do you think there are enough compelling reasons to believe the world would be a better place if i.e., popular media revealed the existence of extraterrestrial life? You are trying to build a holistic view of a system by scrapping together many isolated chunks of influence. This process is distorted by the ego's emotional state, wishful thinking and by cherry picking the data until an instinctive correlation is found with the belief that indifference to the quality of evidence doesn't matter when those are sufficiently numerous. The human mind is already awful when it comes to probabilities, but what would we even learn if, after all those layers of bias, the evidences are still relevant? It really boils down to what we want. Are we looking for the truth, or finding flaws on some imaginary system that may or may not be broken? What are the mechanics at work here? What are the possible alternatives? I'm not trying to dismiss your ideas. This is a valid concern to fear being trapped by the lack of knowledge in a competitive society where many sources around you appear unreliable, always wondering what kind of trick they could be hiding. You could be right, maybe we are living in hell after all, and the world is twisted by lower stages, ego-driven space lizards. I just intuitively assume unlikely that the universe works in a way contradicting to the way I do. We should attempt to get at the root first. Becoming aware of God's framework might be an essential tool since this could be a required step before being able to commit any meaningful and comprehensive changes to the world. The point is, what if this fear of not knowing is part of the trick itself? Don't you find this almost too convenient for the survival of the ego? Can we even trust any emotional states that arise from observing reality when pursuing truth? Just how hard is God even willing to trick itself in order to prevent itself from unveiling the illusion? We are talking about the fantasy of infinite intelligence here, there is no ceiling. All your so-called murders and suicides could be God acting, as far as I know. Yeah, some of the life-style benefits we get from technology are linked to the issues the world is facing right now, not in a coincidental way. Do you mean, intelligence isn't capable of creation without a dual state?

@LaucherJunge I understand your point of view. I don't think anyone is saying we should exclusively focus on the weight of authority when confronted to new info. Nobody would be here discussing about spirituality and stuffing ourselves with psychedelics in the first place if that were the case. One of your point being what defines a conspiracy theory is entirely subjective, it's not wrong. You might say science is a viral construct as well, but even with all its metaphysical flaws, scientists put great care pushing the overall quality of evidences upward and are self-aware about it. It somewhat opposes the unrestricted spreading of theories mostly influenced by biases and psychological shortcomings such as fear, social pressure, sunk cost fallacy, witch hunting or whatever the ego needs for survival. In practice, we're living in a multifaceted world with many traps everywhere. Being aware of the pattern and their true origin is more interesting than looking for someone to take the blame. One of the potential reason mods can keep topics about duality here (aside from addiction) is that it helps understanding the puzzles we've trapped ourselves in. That's said chasing your own tail all you want will never get you out of it. The limit of this mindset is where people or animals are confronted to unfair treatment and no way out, without unrealistic amount of willpower. Here it's probably better to keep it simple and focus on a few undeniable facts rather than building worldview stories around it.

@LaucherJunge Some of the issue with conspiracy theories are their pessimistic viral nature and their capability to evolve based on sensationalism with disregard to truth, caring only about fictional plausibility instead of hard evidence. They usually have a few real basis, but pretty much anything can be portrayed as pure evil given a specific perspective, even a saint. The summary of a person or social group skipping all good outcomes and focusing on all the supposedly selfish mistakes will always trigger hate, especially after being fine-tuned through memes. It's all for fun anyway.

@remember It makes sense. Aluminium and other toxins are pretty much everywhere in cookware, water, atmosphere, animal-based "food" and even plants... There is no reason to believe vaccine causes issue by itself when everything around us is already contaminated. I think periodically detoxifying, as well as eating a clean diet should be the best way to mitigate the risk. Though yeah, we don't know if a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine will be available or even if mass-production is feasible. SARS (2003) has been around for decades and researchers haven't found anything (but it's not necessarily relevant). I don't have much knowledge of biology but on the wiki: "As reported by CEPI scientists in April, 115 total vaccine candidates are in early stages of development, with 78 confirmed as active projects" "One study found that between 2006 and 2015, the success rate of obtaining approval from Phase I to successful Phase III trials was 16.2% for vaccines" "While the flu vaccine is typically mass-produced by injecting the virus into the eggs of chickens, this method will not work for the COVID-19 vaccine, as the SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot replicate inside eggs" "As of 2020, there is no cure or protective vaccine for SARS that has been shown to be both safe and effective in humans." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine I'm also vegan, it's sometimes difficult to make up your mind between causing suffering and our inherent will to survive. Especially when the knowledge required to understand what is truly unavoidable goes deep. Protecting yourself from pathogens also matters to the people around you, like family, as you mention. After all it might be too early to think about this specific case depending on how long the immunity lasts and if herd immunity stops the pandemic.

You should look into toxin-binding chemical compounds such as clinoptilolite, charcoal, chlorella, glutathione, R-alpha lipoic acid, coriander, etc. imo it's best to detox both before and after being exposed, but you need to be careful not to make your own body deficient in its required minerals (as you named a few). I'm personally struggling with autoimmune disease. don't know if I should get the upcoming CoV-2 vaccine, enjoying the pain at last.

What do you define as intelligence? Quality or speed of specialization for a given task? There is an infinite number of ways into which one's brain can be arranged, narrowing your judgment of others projected onto your more or less restricted knowledge graph leads to bias, Dunning-Kruger effect and other tricks. Some neural networks converge quickly then stop improving after a local minimum is reached. A superficial review of someone else's reasoning/artwork can overlook its depth and scale, as well as the potential effort put into clearing away the superfluous constructs. We take for granted the collective intelligence accumulated by humanity over the past but most of the simple discoveries were actually hard to find. Self-sabotage sometimes happens when you care too much about lofty ideals and self-esteem, running away from success with the idea that "if you don't try your best, you don't fail". However, you could also be worrying about loneliness and the loss of social relationships from discrimination, but I don't think people actually care about that.

@Keyhole Well, it's just a poor attempt to highlight the idea that ignoring said trolling is way easier than understanding reality. This forum is great, but discussing non-duality over duality has expected side effects. We are all trying as best as we can to maximize the value and visibility of our opinions, which distance ourselves from the truth and from each other through social pressure, influencing the existence of this topic. We supposedly cannot define the the formless with form, and the endless mental masturbation around it is not always satisfying. What seems to matter most are the emotional supports and spirtual teachings. The only difference with trolling is the selfish joy experienced when bringing people down and its inherent feeling of superiority. It's not always done on purpose, if never since the lowest stages of trolls focus on "what feels good" without thinking to much about it. I'm sorry you got doxxed, but else I don't see why anyone who isn't a mod should worry about trolls, let alone leave because of this. They are ubiquitous on internet.

Can God die? Does God want to live? How did it come to existence in the first place? Or are we trapped for eternity in this absolute mess for no apparent reason? (I don't mean death/life in a biological or dual way, I mean "not being")

You are implying the notion of time itself is imaginary therefore there is no such thing as a past before consciousness. While it should be accurate, I think we can explore further ideas. We say consciousness always existed because the concept of existence itself depends on it. It's clear that a relative point of view is required: What if an hypothetical outside observer, beyond the realm of possibilities, could report any state of "being" and "not being". Would it be able to identify an origin to the singularity? It's tricky since we are reasoning outside of time, but let's just assume. Not to mention, before this topic is submerged in dual noises, how is non-existence impossible for God when it's already as absurd as existence itself? Does God memorize all the forms it creates or everything is forgotten when the relativity is gone? Does God know how to "be" or "stop being"? Is this correct to assume God wants to live since this is exactly what Love is? Is eternity only an issue for my selfish self or it's also troublesome for God as a whole? Even if the answers could be exposed by the state of nothingness, it probably is still interesting to review them. Reality itself is designed in opposition to truth, so actual understandings always help to dismantle the tangle we are trapped in. Also it might be the only chance to experience the illusion of sharing mutual emotional states about it which is fun. I've tried waking up, but my ego is pretty thick for some reason. It readily handles high-dose psychedelics. I'm thinking meditation practice and sustained effort toward selfless awareness should help.

@Keyhole bro if it weren't for our highly effective funposting skills, spirituality would be so simple it wouldn't be funny. everything is distraction unless it's truth, nothing! our whole life as human is basically groundless trolling. conceiving infinite layers of monkey yapping isn't just about random noise, i mean it is but, it adds relative value to art and clears the imaginary path to new possibilities. self-torture powered by love never went wrong!

My experience with this never felt like "remembering something", but some kind of almost meditative, convergence of awareness. In one of my past psychedelic trips, I had the strong feeling that my whole life was already seen. I presume we would have to grasp what exactly are memory and intelligence before being able to define what is déjà vu? If infinite intelligence goes through all possibilities in order to maximize Love, and our restricted point of views explore subsets of those states while being mutually consistent, maybe the feeling could originate from the temporary realization that you are one with the structure you are currently exploring. It's also possible that knowledge of past lives is included in highest level of consciousness.

@Applegarden @neovox Spiritual communities are biased toward the idea that enlightenment is the only purpose in life since all the efforts spent trying to reach such state develop into attachment and self-worth. As long as the teacher is alive and at a normal level of awareness, the ego is there to blend the perspective with its overlay of prejudices. This is one of the deepest layer where it hides its tricks. Awakening isn't about becoming more. It's about being less, Nothing. I haven't achieved such state though so I can't talk with confidence. It's not the Truth but, much like anything carried over duality. I don't think there is any other point in life other than enjoying it, no matter what it means to you. You will always return to your initial non-dual state without having to do anything. Aligning our will with the universe could be beneficial, but not necessary. We have the freedom to do everything we want in the dreams we give to ourselves. As long as we keep in mind that Love is give and take. The ego wants all the joy and none of the pain, it's the only devil that exists. I've already noticed great improvement in my daily life and with relationships just by embracing selflessness. Personally, I will see waking up as a long-term goal, working my way through it slowly, but enjoying all of it. It's wrong to do it because you feel socially pressured or want to feel superior. You're not missing out on anything. It's only another selfish wish tricking yourself into more suffering.

@Jahmaine I'm speculating. What if a high level of awareness would not always seek change about part of itself?

Maybe you became one as God, but forgot to save the experience onto the ego construct.

btw I'm just all talk and asleep. The explanation is based on what can be learned from Leo and the people here, mixed by a low awareness sense of understandings. It can be unhelpful.

@Meta-Man I was lying to myself. I definitely felt a fear of being nothing. But you're right, Love goes beyond the comfortable simplicity of some symbols. It's like a large scale will of creation.

@Meta-Man I tried to vape [...] eyeballed, I didn't take it seriously enough and ended-up wasting most of it. I didn't resist, didn't feel any pain or any fear, so I don't think it's a failure. I'm probably going to take it slow. Just, what am I? I don't even know anymore. The little I've experienced really felt toward absolute Nothingness and Love. I've used those symbols in my posts, but my foolish self didn't quite realize the massive scale of it. I mean, it makes sense. We are talking about a thing with such devotion it can keep itself out of non existence.