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@Leo Gura I was born in Brazil and in 1998 I used to live in Campinas (that is where the USA planes landed) which is near Varginha where the UFOs crashed: it was very big deal at the time. I watched the documentary Moment of Contact and as a local native Portuguese speaker I can guarantee people on the documentary are telling the truth. Also the facts are quite solid.

@PepperBlossoms I find your curiosity quite fascinating and I would suggest that perhaps you could consider escorting for a while given that you wanted to work in a strip club. Anyways, I hope I can answer some of your questions. A good portion of these girls a very "street" smart, but they are not intelligent at all, others have some serious cognitive deficiencies, so it is kind of a mix. They usually talk about shopping, travel, their day or weekend, clothes, shoes, what are their plans for the future/what they would like to do, they talk a lot about gym and also about their ex-boyfriends. However, I personally never take what they say at face value because they live on a world of their own, so I never know if what they are saying is actually true, one thing I can tell is that they move cities quite a lot. Some of them say that it is a temporary thing while they work on their "plan", majority are just happy or seems to be happy. I did turn down one girl once a long long time ago; I arrived at her flat and she looked completely different from the picture on the internet, so I had to immediately quickly turn around and leave saying that it was a mistake or that I was wrong or something like that. Normally they dress like "bitches" so that their assets are always on display (it is their job, this is what they sale). Depending on the escort they dress with labels but majority wears cheap underwear regardless. They do not act confident, neither do they act shy, to be honest with you they always act as if they are kind of lost, as if they are unable to process too much information at the same time. So for instance, if you give her the food menu and ask her how she is doing, she will have a hard time choosing her food while having a conversation.

@PepperBlossoms Good to interact with you and thanks for your opinion. @PepperBlossoms I totally like your analogy with counseling, however to be honest with you I would not go that deep. I only want to use their body for sexual pleasure, with some escorts I do engage with them a bit more (occasionally) but it is limited to a couple of drinks or a bit (they love nice food). But again, I like your comparison with counselling.

@PepperBlossoms Thanks for your opinion and insights here, really appreciated. I do agree with you that I could help them, as a matter of fact, in almost all of my interactions with them I try to show them (by asking questions and giving some hints) alternative ways for them. However, due to several reasons which are difficult to pin point, the majority of them have a hard time grasping the fact that they could be doing something else with their life. I think they would first have to change their values, their believes and perhaps get a better self-esteem/love. I am not sure if I would be open and willing to put that type of effort on it, I do talk to them a lot and I am honest and sincere on my conversations, I do not lie or make up stories (I may only omitted here I work and some other issues but mainly for privacy) so they kind of appreciate this sincerity. I also respect them a lot and treat them quite well before, during and after sex, nevertheless, I do not entertain anything further than our encounter or any sort of relationship whatsoever. As for strip clubs, I do not like it at all. I find the energy to be kind of low there, and I also feel that the intent and the mood to be slightly different there: I feel that the girls want to maximize their profit with as little effort as possible, on the other hand, the guys there also try to maximize their pleasure trying to spending as little as possible and this is very normal but it is not my kind of thing. I am not sure if I expressed myself correctly here, but in the end I prefer the one to one approach with escort girls better. Therefore, at the end of the day, I go out with them exclusively for the sex only, and as you have cleverly mentioned on your epiphany; I consider an escort to be the equivalent to a counselor but for my sexual urges. it is an interesting topic, but my original predicament was only whether I should keep on using their services while self-actualizing or look for a self-actualized girlfriend. The phycology of the escorts/prostitutes was not under my radar, nor whether it is a moral thing to do or not, but I see that in order to discuss this topic those 2 issues are unavoidable.

@no_name Hey thanks for expressing your opinion and thanks for point out to me that I should Google HPV/HSV, I had in mind HIV/DSTs and etc so I will check it for sure as I do not know it on the top of my head and I am indeed clueless as you mentioned. Having said that I can assure that despite my adventures I am clean you can possible get, please ensure to do a test yourself also okay? When was the last time you got tested? (no need to reply) Anyways, I really do not want to get into an argument here other than finding out whether I should continue going out with Escorts or get a proper girlfriend, your opinion about my qualifications are not the topic, I just answered your question in order to perhaps get more clarity on the discussion. I sincerely thank you for contributing to my question, I really enjoy having a view from all angles as well as capturing the different reactions. I take the opportunity to wish you a truly fantastic 2021 for you, your friends and your family.

@no_name I appreciate your response and your sense of curiosity, I think this is the only way we can grow and develop. As for your question; I have an MBA in business management, so I considered myself to be "educated". I also had the opportunity to study English language in Oxford in the UK, although my English is not the best at all (not my mother tongue). By the way, just for your note since you are questioning my education, in addition to my MBA I speak 3 languages, currently learning a 4th one. Also as a bonus, I have watched ALL of Leo's videos (most of them a couple of times) and they did help me A LOT to change my life. Anyways, you clearly have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about. Where I live HIV tests are normal, although you have to pay for them (insurance covers 90% of the costs) doctors are almost obliged to give you once you ask them. Please find attached a photo of the exam requirement form ( I took a photo at the time and send it to my "friend" who asked me for it - check the boxes in dark). I would love to send you a photo of the actual result of the exam but I am currently on an island spending my Xmas and New years on a solo retreat. I do agree with you that majority of this girls have traumas in order to be able to bang some of the oddest guys on earth. However, that is not my point, my point is: Should I go out with an escort/prostitute while self-actualizing or pursue a self-actualized girlfriend? I am not judging here the escort girls at all, whether they are fucked up or not is not under discussion at this moment. I am not saying at all that these girls are open minded or self-actualized, what I did say is that they are just like any normal person; there are lots of fucked up people around.

@Kalki Avatar I could not agree more with you, really. Thanks for sharing your views. In fact, one time a while ago one of them asked me if she could move in with me. Clearly I said no way. However, one of my best friends used to have an escort girlfriend; it was actually his proper girlfriend, like really normal one. At night around 23am he would drop her at a particular club and then would pick her up around 6am (not everyday though). They had a regular life, it did not work out and they broke up just like any couple would. Particularly I would not like to entertain that; an ex-escort or ex-prostitute which are now self-actualizing okay fine, but active one no. Mainly because of the troubles that these girls do get occasionally.

@Kalki Avatar I could not agree more with you. Really. Thanks for sharing your view.

@no_name Hey, I appreciate your post and your straight forwardness, I also like how you expressed your opinion. @no_name I disagree with you; escort girls are just like any other person, so I do not see them as the lowest bottom. Perhaps (and really perhaps) the lowest bottom would be a husband cheating on his pregnant wife (3rd pregnancy) with his male colleague from work while both of them are doing crake-cocaine under a bridge in town at 4am, and even so I really think it is okay. For example, I personally would comfortably date an ex-crake cocaine addict prostitute if she is changed and is self-actualizing. In fact, I think on this case we could both grow so much that would be ridiculously amazing. I am saying that not because I am an ex-addict or something like, in fact quite the opposite; I am "luck" enough to have an extremely good education and now a solid professional/business career (soon to get out of Matrix), but I do not judge people and I have a very open mind and I am looking for an authentic connection when it comes to relationships, regardless of the background. When it comes to STDs and HIV, needless to say I ensure to protect myself, I also ensure to get the best and highest possible sex services, in addition to that I regularly take HIV tests (at LEAST once a year) since some of my "friends with benefits" ask me for it. The last one was from Sept. 2020. Finally, it is important for me to tell you and for you to understand that girls like you or your friends (as you mentioned it) are PRECISELY the type of girls that I am NOT interested at all. I do respect your opinion A LOT and your way of thinking, and I see where you come from, but I have a different perspective on things.

@Globalcollective Thank you for sharing your opinion here with me. @Globalcollective I have indeed joined a yoga studio up until the Covid lockdown, however, to my amazement the girls that I met were not spiritual or self-actualizing at all. What I found is that these girls are just like shallow "wanna be yogies" because it is a kind of hype or cool and at the end I found them to be very much the same as the other girls, even the teachers! However, having said that, I do think that it is much easier to find a self-actualizing girl at a yoga studio than at the local gym or bar for example. Thus, thanks for that and I will keep that in mind.

@StarStruck Escort girls are more like to go out to a bar, or chill at the pool or grab a bit, talk and then eventually have sex. Prostitutes or call girls are exclusively for sex only. There is no relationship whatsoever with neither of them. Unless the girl is really really fun, then I see her more than once or twice, other than that it is one time event only. So to reply to your question, no dating at all.

@Michael569 I appreciate your honest reply and thanks for sharing your opinion here, really. @Michael569 Totally agree with you that I should invest time on finding a proper girlfriend. You are not alone here when it comes to that opinion as others have also shared the same view, so that is something I am now seriously considering for 2021. When it comes your point on escort girls; not all of them are fake. I meet some genuine girls who were doing escort purely because they are lost or they rebelled against their family for a while for example (among many other issues of course). Obviously the overwhelming majority of escorts are there for the money, but I found some really cool girls. Some of the girls work on regular day jobs, like high street stores or shopping malls, and they do escorting also (I guess it is where they pick their clients). I must tell you that in a couple of occasions the girl DID NOT charge me, one of them told me: "I don't need money, I have money". Another separate occasion a different girls told me: "keep it on your bank account" or something like that. Therefore what I am trying to say is that not all of them are fake and believe me or not some of them enjoy the sex also, although majority just fake it.

@UniverseWithin Thanks for your post, I appreciate your honesty and opinion. @UniverseWithin Escort girls are very interesting and they come from a large variety of backgrounds, so definitely every encounter I have is a new and exciting one and I always take away something, either positive or negative, but there is always something to learn. Clearly when it comes to sexual liberation escort girls get 10 out of 10, but I am also looking for that type of self-developing kind of awareness if you understand me correctly. Particularly, I would love to find a self-actualizing escort whom is subscribed to Actualized.org @UniverseWithin Why did you stop escorting? I mean, what was the main driver for you to stop it? Do you mind sharing?

@Lyubov Thanks for your reply, appreciated. @Lyubov Going out with escorts and prostitutes are not energetically draining at all, at least for me. They are only a couple of text messages away or a phone call and once you are done that is the end of the story. To your point on ethically sex services; obviously that is the case: no minors whatsoever or sex slaves for that matter. I am talking about some proper high class girls (escorts) or call girls (prostitutes), some of them even get to appear on main stream magazines. So no issues there. I do agree with you that I should channel my energy on looking for what I want.

I want amazing sex and a self-actualizing girl to talk to and share experiences and etc. But you are right Leo; I can get both! Thank you for the help.