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@assx95 None of this is "low consciousness", its how you use it. Focus on how more than what. Always.
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Adding to this overtime. Will have it as my signature. Merry Christmas! This content is if you're serious about world progress + entrepreneurship, though either one will suffice at least in the creative sense. For the existentially advanced or the people looking to conceptualise a growth model in the context of what progress they can make with these two combined. At the very least it'll give people a target for what's possible as well in terms of looking at my ideas as a reference point. Feel free to contribute freely, I won't bite but I also won't bend unless you have better argumentation.
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Releasing and renewing energetic content is now a relative breeze; depth is the strongest correlate to breadth. Universal being, something that is a natural unearthing, nothing to be found, touched or known, a simple slipping away of all forms prior and present that are reflected in that energetic releasing and renewal process. One step closer to theoretical zero universe, the exacting antecedent to pure phenomenal potentialization of being.
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@Strangeloop Don't fucking use spirituality or imagination to escape your inner self, you have no idea what you're talking about when you're equating self with imagination. Get in touch with your fucking body. This is serious. You need to accept the fact you have a being that is beyond the mind and when you do, at the exclusion of said mind, you'll begin to know yourself, and then from there, learn to know yourself from the point of view of the mind. Mind comes second or later, not fucking first. Take the raw unique essence of your being seriously Strangeloop, don't listen to any morons here who's perceptions are warped about the present moment of self because they've got aspects of themselves they haven't fully resolved yet, WHICH IS THE VERY REASON THEY'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO JUSTIFY ESCAPING THEMSELVES. Imagination is a gateway to other realms OUTSIDE of the fucking self and a portal to the self only via retroactive recognition, the latter mainly the path of perspectivism to discover nuanced doorways to presence NOT an active meditation of presence VIA self. DON'T get LOST, DON'T LOWER this moment in anyway. BE HERE Strangeloop. WITH. US. When you are WITH, you are PRESENT, when you are PRESENT, you can be WITH yourself and whether you choose to be WITH others in that moment is totally of your OWN discretion. EXPERIENCE presence and therefore your SELF, WITH (that word in the way denoted above, so CONNECT to) your AWARENESS which is your FELT impression not your THOUGHT impression (which you shouldn't lower either, that is thought, nor make it higher, it is a GATEWAY beyond the present to aid in only part, EXPLAINING the present). Best.
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Imagine: You had a terrible case of incurablechronic fatigue syndrome or any one of the following diseases and conditions that I'll list below (good for your daily education if you haven't learned enough things today - just starting with the letter A from the listed resource). Make an imaginative exercise of it. How would you live out your life while still making it worthwhile for yourself? 1) By having all of if not most of your energy gone, think about how you would manage the following activities that any regular person takes for granted: Shopping Pursuing a hobby Having a relationship with someone (think about it, imagine what sex would be like, you wouldn't last long...) Cooking, eating Doing whatever is presently or has been your favourite thing to do Exercise Work Feeling like you have a productive purpose in society or just life in general (if that's at all important for you) or that you could even fulfil such a role if you wanted to Thinking about a difficult topic to the point of understanding Motivating yourself to learn any difficult thing in life, from riding a bike to playing difficult game of chess. Think of other areas of your life that would be affected that are presently important to you, have been in the past or may be in the future 2) What did you learn from the experience? How can you creatively think about this further to take away more learning? 3) How could you take some of what you learned and better use your energy throughout the day so you don't take it for granted as much? 4) What's an activity you can begin today that would incrementally in the long term add to your energy levels? 5) Pick another/multiple disease/condition below (or in provided link), even if you've experienced it before, let's say you were going through it again, what is it that you could learn from it that could be empowering for you now, secondly that you could answer the same or similar/further questions about as those prior? https://www.cdc.gov/diseasesconditions/az/a.html Abdominal Aortic Aneurysm — see Aortic Aneurysm Acanthamoeba Infection ACE (Adverse Childhood Experiences) Acinetobacter Infection Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) — see HIV Acute Flaccid Myelitis (AFM) Adenovirus Infection ADHD [Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder] Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) AFib, AF (Atrial fibrillation) AFM African Trypanosomiasis — see Sleeping Sickness Agricultural Safety — see Farm Worker Injuries AHF (Alkhurma hemorrhagic fever) AIDS (Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome) Alkhurma hemorrhagic fever (AHF) ALS [Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis] Alzheimer's Disease Amebiasis, Intestinal [Entamoeba histolytica infection] American Indian and Alaska Native Vaccination American Trypanosomiasis — see Chagas Disease Amphibians and Fish, Infections from — see Fish and Amphibians, Infections from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis — see ALS Anaplasmosis, Human Ancylostoma duodenale Infection, Necator americanus Infection — see Human Hookworm Angiostrongylus Infection Animal-Related Diseases Anisakiasis — see Anisakis Infection Anisakis Infection [Anisakiasis] Anthrax [Bacillus anthracis Infection] Aortic Aneurysm Aortic Dissection — see Aortic Aneurysm Arenavirus Infections Arthritis Childhood Arthritis Fibromyalgia Gout Osteoarthritis (OA) Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA) Ascaris Infection [Ascariasis] Aseptic Meningitis — see Viral Meningitis Aspergillus Infection [Aspergillosis] Asthma Atrial fibrillation (AFib, AF) Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder — see ADHD Autism Avian Influenza
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@Ivan Dimi Yeah that's like kindergarten compared to what our minds are capable of. You have such inventive and imaginative potential you have no idea. Posts like these are good for people though, a lot of folk here are definitely struggling.
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@Nadosa Among many other stories, when I was 9 years old my 30 year old half brother told me if I didn't stop swinging the baseball bat around he was going to throw me in a garbage bag and burn me alive (no one other than my sister was around to comfort me, father in china at the time). Traumatised me. I've thought about finding him, torturing him the way he and another brother 20 years older traumatised me. Explore the darker aspects of yourself, but remember to rise out of it and do what aligns with your highest personal truth. Become autobiographically connected, discover the patterns and you'll have the wisdom to send you through to where you should whether to peace or to war or just by relative extents that are intelligent. Even though they're big, I know I could outsmart them, be stronger than they and take them out. I know I don't have to find either of them and torture them though. But what it taught me was that you have to become strong. Mentally first. You have to learn from experience, that's how you return home to this moment right now without that disabling your experience of reality. Armed with wisdom. What I realised is that in traveling to the heights of my mental and physical strongest to take them out, that at my strongest, it wouldn't be worth it. The threats gone now. It happened when I was 9. The lesson is learned. If it happens again... It won't happen again. They were just bullies picking on a little kid. You have to PROCESS the experience to the point of taking effective action that transforms your life. Process your WHOLE life and that's how your mind gives you patterns to follow up on to live the life of wisdom you should based on your experiences.
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@DecemberFlower Yeah totally obvious you don't have autobiographical connection. How well do you remember your history? How well have you analysed your patterns? My guess is almost zero percent relative to your potential, otherwise you literally would NEVER have made this post. Do this. Please. For your own sake. That'll fix your problem. Let me know if you need further advice there.
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@Daphnedenninghoff23 you will grow apart or toward each other naturally, if you are truly for your betterment you will allow your being to express what it needs to express to learn from the feedback of reality that springs in return from the manifestations that it rose within you to act to begin with. It’s when we stop listening to that call, that silent hum of life pulsating that life begins to move away from our true essence, our true expression. It’s time for you to listen inwardly more and allow things to fall or come together as they may, communicate as needed throughout this process with your partner.
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Origins replied to Corey11's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
No meditation or now required, you are the now right now. Done. Don’t think be aware. Perceptual thinking is the only kind of thinking, indoctrinated thinking is caught in memory-language loops, not free language loops. Memory is important but we must investigate memory freely, not via a prejudiced inner language that we may cling to. Inner language yes, inevitable, paint, paint, paint, but it’s painting, not holding onto one painting and never painting again. -
Origins replied to 73809's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There’s ZERO surrendering that needs to occur, just sinking into awareness and a heightening of awareness the is. All preconceptions about surrendering is what you need to get rid of, be aware, be only the awareness, and your transmutation shall begin. Better yet don’t try to get rid of anything, just be aware and become more aware through only awarensss. -
You have to realise that: (1) reality is literally just a thought in your head (2) you are reality (3) to be yourself fully you have to simply channel ALL SENSE REALITY (includes all thought, all movements away and forward, notice it, feel it, embrace everything so fully your life depended on it) (4) you already are channeling it’s merely by degrees relative to our potential (5) so what is awareness other than channeling reality? There’s no distinction, just different qualities of awareness. Thought is a crucial but such a small part of processing perception. You want to KNOW, so channel that knowing in everything. Release all paradigms and experience RIGHT NOW. Who am I? Am I more the memory or are you channeling me right now? Channel. And not Chanel, although I do look/smell nice.
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@Twega no it’s the purpose of sense in general, to channel reality, the sense is your muse for your consciousness and your consciousness the muse for reality into realising their interconnection, vibration, resonance. Channel what is happening in this moment, feel all of it, bring it to life, that’s the purpose. Experience all that you are right now, your senses are your microscopic lenses to bringing that under proper experiential exploration.
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bro you serious, don’t roast or insult? nooooh, you gotta get intimate with reality. Don’t be afraid with it. Insult me. We can play a game if you like. Get loose. You MUST face what’s real. Then you won’t care about all this nonsense, you’ll start actually interacting with people on a real level.
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Oh and just to be clear about my own ethics, if that guy did end up sleeping with the trainer in an otherwise "perfectly healthy" marriage and I was close with the wife in just a friendship capacity, its within the realms of possibility that I may just cut the guys dick off then tell the wife 'see I told you that guy was a moron', though the former is more likely than the latter. It takes good genetics to be automatically inclined towards the right thing, effort to have true integrity with your word and intelligence to have true ethics, it takes a moron on all three accounts not to. So to the moron I say fuck you (not if they're truly incapacitated though) here's a gun to the head or at least a punch to the face, figuratively speaking (though sometimes literally who knows). Just to be clear. Nature is nature but we are human, if you fail here, you've lost an integral part of you that makes you indistinguishable to my decision making around stepping on bugs without remorse if they're truly causing an issue. That's where the subject of selfishness comes in, which always begins and ends with ethics. For most people its too complicated of a subject to try and understand, in reality, just do your best to be what you think a good person truly is and you'll be fine.
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@Gesundheit If we can re-imagine the past, we can re-imagine a future that we might alternatively live, and if we can do this, we can imagine a future outside our preconceptions of what phenomena may be and therefore where they may or may not lead. Thank you for adding to the discussion regardless, you allowed me to explore more narratives that are a part of the equation, if any.
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@Gesundheit Copying would be a subset of learning behaviour and learning behaviour a subset of adaptive behaviour, I don't liken ourselves much to machines other than appearing machine like the less creatively and more crudely we want to rigidly view human nature outside the scope of mind blowing philosophical, musical and artistic works. The term machine likened to the human organism is the kind of fallacious pattern detection between object and phenomenon that when it intersects the use of the term is then applied for all other instances, regardless as to how much either object or phenomenon diverges from one another. The perfect example of this kind of fallacious reasoning occurring in the context of this example pertains to human intuition, related persons will go to machine like interpretations to explain intuition even if the reflected intuitive behaviour doesn't seem machine like at all. Another interpretation I'd like to open your mind to in the context of your example pertains to the limits and dynamics of consciousness itself, your example relating to Mt. Everest reflects lower levels of human consciousness, thus is analogous to judging all humans as cowards simply because cowards happen to be the analysed demographic at the time. Another example relates to rainfall, if it always rains in the wintertime and never snows, we will say that it will in fact never snow when in reality these scales are just relative to the dynamics of the weather system, or in this case, the dynamics of consciousness. When we think from the perspective of underlying dynamics then our correlations are more likely correct, but if we neither understand those dynamics nor apply them, then all we will rely on is what we have experienced which will likely draw incorrect conclusions. A good example pertains to an unhealthy relationship with a parent, if you always perceive them as cruel and harsh because they've always been cruel and harsh you won't expect anything else, however if you understood this parent from a psychological and personal subjective level and got at their core underlying dynamics, you'd have a much higher likelihood at circumventing that narrative where you could leverage their better tendencies over their negative tendencies, sometimes its as easy as distancing (and of course if they're that bad you can just say see you later and not even bother in understanding their dynamics after a certain point, which is what I would do if it were that bad). So if we go back to copying behaviour, we can look at said relation to existence in the context of unconscious learning that serves some adaptive purpose, wouldn't you say that said adaptivity in the context of your examples would be a reflection of social survival? Secondly, going back to the reflection on lower levels of consciousness wouldn't said copying behaviours be merely compensatory measures for having less capacity to understand and orient oneself in existence? So it's not that humans are copying machines, its that humans resort to copying behaviours when they're unable to cognitively prioritise for alternative behaviours. This is especially the case when we compare demographics i.e. less versus more education in critical thinking, further to, this is even more obvious when we compare periods of history and the trends of the modern era in the western world. Comparatively speaking, people are far less copying orientated compared to where they were in a hunter-gatherer society thousands of years ago, this must mean that by definition, humans are in fact not copying machines, that it is a byproduct of certain compensatory cognitive to environmental dynamics which result in strategies to reduce the energetic load and maximise efficiency.
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@xxxx Expression is just one action of the causal loop we're all on, although it depends on the flexibility by which one is using that term, indirectly or directly, implicitly or explicitly, if its just meant directly and explicitly then no, the accumulation and storing of wisdom for example runs contrary to sheer explicit and direct expression, but not in an indirect and implicit way, and even if you interpret the storing and accumulation of wisdom as an action, then expression is still an implicit and indirect expression compared to say painting, but explicit and direct unto itself relative to the neural action of accumulating and storing. Another example can be as it pertains to the feeling of an experience, or even the sensing of an experience, these two, of which are examples of being "acted upon", still "act within" and consequentially lead to direct and explicit forms of expression but they too, inside the scope of indirect and implicit expression fall inside the broader framework of expression in the same way as it was described that say a neural action or neural firing does. So if we include indirect and implicit means, I would say yes, but its a very broad way to encapsulate it don't you think? Expression of what exactly? The expression of consciousness potential? We'd need to categorise the various forms of expression together with potential to understand the larger framework of expression and the smaller frames that fit within it in order to separate human expression from say life expression. Because if all life is doing is expressing itself through various ongoing developmental changes overtime, how are we separate to this exactly? What other tools does life have other than expression, if these other tools exist, how do they fit in context with their use for humans outside of expression? Life seems very much a doing. Why are we a lonely species? Are we a lonely planet then too? From one perspective. We could easily switch emotional lenses to something else though. I don't believe selfishness is really a word, its merely describing a pattern within nature from the perspective of someones emotional reference frames in the same way that one might equate the human species as a lonely one; an act within the loop of consciousness; defense, protection, attack, absorb, etc. Felt impressions are quite distinct from life expressions in the context of knowing and describing the action of what something is outside the subjective reference frame. Is a spider selfish for making a web to catch prey? Not really, at least we often don't think so. Is a cross country runner selfish for illegally taking steroids? From the perspective of the other runners absolutely, he's being unfair right, but from the perspective of the spider, he's just spinning his own kind of web to get bugs caught in his net so that he can have his feed, in this case, a medal, trophy, social status and maybe a blowjob from his wife for winning / or a reconsideration of the divorce, could be any number of scenarios you wish to come up with, perhaps his trainer is not his married wife and because he's a numb-skull his winning leads to a sexual opportunity with her which leads to cheating his wife finds out and so she goes through with the divorce. But where was the selfishness here? Selfish to his wife yes, but then maybe the wife wants his money, not selfish to his trainer because she wants the sex. Selfishness then is a subject of interpersonal ethics between the relevant parties. Intelligent fairness determinations are then the result of what terms and conditions were communicated between the parties. We have inherent biological ethics and we have pseudo biological ethics where the latter is a consequence of changing perspectives through a change in the agreed upon narrative between the parties. So from the perspective of the competition, yes he was indeed selfish by their terms, but nature says he's just following his nature, otherwise he never would have done it, the same too for organisations that create said competitions under the assumption that they know its within peoples natures to not only wish to compete, even if only for entertainment, but also to do so under conditions that are fair more than unfair and that people will be harshly mocked and that its within peoples natures to experience the shame of that enough that they would wish to avoid it (though some don't of course). Survival is a funny term that like selfishnes looks blatantly obvious on the surface of things but although survival itself appears to be more relevant to what is happening in peoples actions, has a much richer story than what has so far been discussed in culture. For example, going back to that causal consciousness loop that we're all on, many people commit suicide for many different reasons outside of mere depression and loneliness that it brings into question the nature of the term not just inside the human experience but as a whole in understanding the nature of nature itself in the context of that word. If survival is so fundamental, why on earth would we associate it with the negative connotations that you sometimes see play out, even if this is only emotional? Something tells me this is merely a story about the persons misappropriation of the term and its consequences more than it is something egregious against the term and natural implications. Re-cognitive appraisals are a must in culture. "Oh so its just a survival tendency (meaning "oh its just a blah" as if to be negative)", for me people should look at all forms of survival with the ultimate form of love in light of it being an expression of the true nature of existence at that time. Dissonance is something people struggle most with more than most other aspects of survival. I wouldn't believe anyone in the world that said they "got rid of their emotions and now they're enlightened", because emotions are the fuel that the engine that is the body needs to do literally anything, which includes talking about ones new state of enlightenment. Enlightenment to me is a case of your relationship with your personal existence more than it is a breaking of relationships with various forms of your existence, in this case, ones emotions. The stronger and more stable the relationship has with all aspects of existence, naturally, the more enlightened they're going to be. Emotions wouldn't ever stop. Even in a state of dissociation a person is still experiencing emotions of various kinds, they're just not able to notice them. Lastly, even if emotions are a non-event, what happened to the antecedent of emotions themselves? They're not this isolated thing like a species or a lonely planet in the solar system, like the planet and the human species, they're interconnected with a whole host of other phenomena of course that both contribute to the existence of emotions and emotions contribute to the existence of many other things. So if you extracted emotions, there's no telling just how much would change in the pattern of not just the human species, but the entire planet. I sense that many people have this strange desire to be emotionless, which in the end, only equals motionless. The very drive to be emotionless is an emotion of sorts unto itself.
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Disclaimer: I try to capture these visions how I saw them rather than trying to be creative, this way things remain pure to the vision itself. This vision came to me after the Wim Hof method this morning (usually they come during), my intuition connected it to where I must travel to, where I will be going anyway and the truth that this life is certainly not the end and most likely at the very least some potential indication that this life is most certainly not the beginning. Lastly, that its a representation of the door that I will be opening and walking through at the end of my life, which my intuition (not the logical mind) is informing me is many decades away, but that I must prepare myself not only best for but in light of, meaning as much as I can reverse engineer how things will be all the way to the end. This comes from the intuitive mind not the logical mind. I'm a bottom up thinker, meaning even though I have various speculations there, in the context of a new vision, I always speak to the vision and leave the rest as bread crumbs for the pigeons so I'm seeing life with fresh eyes all the time. The White Door of Endless Blue Light (blue/white) The white door of endless blue light Streaming from the cracks of tomorrow After I lay my head for my final rest You came to me today, on this most inconvenient 9th of December Highway Between many roads that I must erase So I can walk to you silently beyond the maze That puts most peoples minds in a haze and even in some periods of mine, a craze As I've lived this life enough now Even if my wisdom took long to become endowed You've shown me that this life is not the end And that my prior thinking was just pretend Beyond mere logical finality, you've shown me my immortality That although I do not understand the word quite I know that I should still keep the calm of the night In me as I walk into the unknown And allow something greater than my mind to be shown Even though, my intelligence is a gateway, for which I am surely blessed enough to know This vision I've had on this most inconvenient 9th of December Highway Will be the day that directs the light All the way to my last fight Revealing the path that I must walk Through the rest of the visions now held in this torch Lighting the way to the white door of endless blue light Left behind me my momentary playwright Of life ====== The White Door of Endless Blue Light (blue/white) Lastly, like I said, just a beginner, and prioritising output over perfectionism.
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Origins replied to Parththakkar12's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
@Parththakkar12 If you fit into any generation in this century, you've failed the story making game of consciousness. For fuck sake we have so much information available to us to make interpersonal communication so unique between one another regarding the individuality we can share. If you fit into literally any stereotype, you've never truly become conscious because you're just a mirror of "an age" that is essentially ageless in light of the internet. This is the "ageless" generation, meaning you can integrate thousands of years of history that its virtually impossible to pigeon hole you into some unthinking category of culture, because that's essentially the categories we have available in modern culture, unthinking ones, even the category of intellectualism is still unthinking because its not like its creative. This is why openness to experience is so important in this modern technological era, because for every unit of increase in valuable informational availability we have there is at least double the inventive possibility, which means if your consciousness is not at least half that unit of increase there will be increasingly greater diminishing returns on what benefit you can derive from it and that's where we're at in the modern era, peoples level's of openness are not high enough to interplay with the symphony of expansion that is ever-unfolding and public intellectuals are like old headmasters with wooden walking sticks still chiming away the same biblical lines they wrote down 20 years ago. The positive turn at least is that this means that if you can increase your openness, your capacity for invention is inordinately large in light of the growth of informational sophistication being vastly superior to our capacity to keep up. Based on this for every unit of increase in openness, because information growth is at least one thousand times greater, your capacity for invention is at least twice as large as your growth in openness. -
Origins replied to Tim R's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Tim R Truth is just now. Everything else is a memory, which is why truth is more equivalent to awareness. When you think about existence, you've probably got so many associations coming to your mind, they're your loaded memories projecting onto what you think reality is through your conception of existence. My recommendation is to treat everything else outside of this with a combination of intuition and sophisticated correlation, that's the purpose of memory in many ways, to incrementally create more useful predictions about what's real, what exists and therefore build our conception of what existence is. At the end of the day though, its just our house of cards from our limited cognitive perspective. Don't try to create meaning, instead create stories out of experience that are meaningful; I hope the distinction is clear. -
Awareness is the highest paradigm of consciousness, thus it must be the highest form of self trust, if that is to exist.
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@Kay100 Teach him about neuroplasticity. There’s so much not properly disclosed to the public about the capacity to change the brain, including mental ability, it’s because culture often has no choice but to take black and white positions because people find it difficult to handle the dissonance of nuanced perspectives that contain both pros and cons. I know too many details to disclose them all in this one post. There used to be this nonsense adage, “we only use 10% of our brain”, in reality popular science knows less than 10% of the brain and how to engineer it, let alone how to properly educate the public about the subject. What is more common in science is that it often gets more things wrong than right, but until they believe they’re absolutely right, they have a black and white position towards the negative. It takes extremely good parenting to be able to manage the position you’re in so all the best there. Parenting is by far the most important job in the world, I hope you treat it with the utmost respect, honour and dignity for the ultimate prosperity of your child who deserves the highest enlightenment you’re able to provide them with, of which, takes incredible intelligence. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1041608016300231 Feel free to pose questions.
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@soos_mite_ah It's always awareness. Awareness is all there is in many ways. You can become so aware that you're not even sure consciousness exists. Awareness is the first word of experience, from there who knows maybe there's nothing else other than degrees of awareness. My intuition says though that consciousness and awareness are symbiotic, that comparatively awareness is operational and consciousness state based. We transmute awareness via awareness and consciousness via awareness. Thus awareness is actionable and actioned, consciousness, however, experienced and experienced upon; again, comparatively; so there is a blending, subtracting and adding with one to the other, one from the other, one all together. Based on this I conclude awareness and consciousness is all there is here thus all one should be focusing on in tandem.
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@Denis_ The reason why its confusing is because having kids ultimately has nothing to do with you and only what you can give. Self actualisation has nothing to do with the person and everything to do with the reality in which it inhabits and the role that the consciousness perceiving its experience can play in its movement forward. Some people say "well its your life do what you want", this is totally the opposite of how you should be thinking, you're bringing a NEW life into this experience of existence and you're ADDING life force energy to that new being. Everything should be about THEM until you've truly contributed to the actualisation of their soul and then and only then does it become about you and even if it does, its completely negotiated between the sovereignty of that consciousness and you and never an obligation on the part of that consciousness you've helped bring into this conscious experience. We are at least 200 years behind how we should be raising children and our perspectives there and at least thousands of years in debt for all the various ways we as a species have so far got it wrong. ALL/MOST THESE PEOPLE IN THE COMMENTS SECTION SO FAR ARE LIVING IN A FANTASY LAND OF THEMSELVES. I said this before but I'm wrong, kids are not even really a branch of SA. YOU SHOULD ALREADY BE SA before kids so that you're in the best position to be of aid for their SA. They can be, but only consequently not as an an angle of SA to focus on as a potential direction. Kids are not just "SOMETHING TO HAVE ON THE MENU OF SA", or "HAVE TO DO / NEED TO DO", no its ALL ABOUT THEM and whether you're willing to devote yourself to making them as enlightened as possible. But for truth it cannot in ANYWAY WHATSOEVER be about any delusions you have about society, yourself, others or about the children themselves. They are not a FAMILY MOVIE you want to create either, they're IN THE MOMENT BEINGS like ourselves that you learn from and add learning to IN THE MOMENT.