Prevailer

@remember I hope I am on the correct path and if not that God will have mercy upon me once again and show me the correct path.In my opinion, we’re all pretty useless really left to our own methods.It’s hard trying to be humble and having to rely on God as it goes totally against the Ego.

@Raptorsin7 I believe you are right when you say knowing truth in direct experience is profound.You can read a book and understand but then not apply what you have read to your direct experience.It is subtle.Two people can have access to the same information and yet both may interpret that information completely the opposite to the other.I used to practice inward meditation (I called this stuck in my head meditation) a lot.I was prepared to believe in a God but only if he gave me evidence that he was worth believing in.I found that this was a pointless exercise and so stopped it.I found as a person this type of meditation dismantled me.When I stopped and started doing outward meditation I fell off the cliff.I fell into the deepest dark pit you could imagine.This is not a good place to be.All rules about what you should do or not do or what is right or wrong go out of the window.You are left hanging in there desperately..your only hope being that there is a God and that he will have mercy on you.Thats all that I had,honestly.Outward meditation is about building yourself up as a person and not seeking knowledge all the time.I do practice inward meditation as I don’t seem to be able to help myself from not doing this...but it is only to help me with my outward meditation.I therefore go in to look and listen but then come out and try to apply this to the building up of self.This is the only way I can describe it.It is a journey.If at some point in the future my experience tells me that there is a better path.I will wipe the slate again I.e..start again on a different path.

I know truth already.

You can think that you know God and he accepts you but does he know and accept you? This is my understanding.

@Osaid Thank you for this advise.I am not God that’s for sure... I know that...I may be part of him though ...if he will have me.I know that I am not my body or my thoughts.I am well familiar with the i am as well.Thankyou anyway.

Mind movement is not good.The mind should be still.The mind movement I’m talking about is the constant sliding between the autopilot and manual consciousness states.

@remember I have not heard of spiral dynamics.I will take a look.

@remember If the formula is true then we are all in the wrong..if you believe the formula that is.There is only one God in my opinion and he has got all bases covered.

@remember Hey...you can believe what you want...I can understand your response...this is difficult for any of us to accept....however..the thing is ...in my opinion God’s solution is PERFECT.At the end of the day we won’t be able to blame him for anything because he even took the punishment for all our wrong doings even though he was perfect and didn’t have to.He can do no more for us.He will punish all wrong doings simply because he is perfect.This is how the formula works as I see things.Im not your enemy..this applies to me as well.PEACE.

@remember God is perfect and can’t let anything that he is opposed to enter his presence.He is that holy.If we want a God then surely that is the type of God we would want.As God makes the rules, if we break them then we suffer the consequences.You say that you are deep.......If you ask the 2 off biological computers in your head what is right and what is wrong they will compute that right is wrong and wrong is right...period.They are completely crazy.So what is right and what is wrong? How do we know? The only way we know is because God gave the Ten Commandments.That is why they were given.As you and I have never kept Gods rules and never will, that puts us in a rather difficult position.We need to be perfect and to have kept Gods Ten Commandments perfectly to enter his presence.This means we are without hope where God is concerned and will never enter his presence.Thats where God comes in.God is Love.If there is a God and he can do anything then it would be very simple for him to take on flesh and come and live amongst us....but why on earth would he want to do that!.Why?..because if he is Love .....as he says he is...he will come and take the full punishment for all the times you broke the Ten Commandments...he will pay the price on your behalf...so that you can enter paradise,but only if you truly believe that he did this for you personally.Now that is DEEP.

I’ve learnt the hard way but it is my honest opinion that the real awakening is the realisation that as individuals we are in a desperately lost state and need God to help us.The problem is most men/women are far to proud to ask.They would rather go to their graves first.

@remember I agree with you that believing in God and knowing God are two completely different things.The devil believes that God exists.In my opinion, in order to really know God you need to fully accept him rather than reject him.You can’t fool God as he knows everything about you.Those who reject God, he will satisfy fully what their heart desires.If their heart desires a future without him then so be it.You can come to know God fully in my opinion but not if you reject him.There is a way that enables the real YOU too be separated from the physical body.This is a mystery that God does for only those who believe in him.You and I don’t make the rules.Practically, from a mental health point of view you can disappear into your head and split your consciousness state if you want or you can stay in the moment and keep your consciousness united.The thing is ...you try staying in the moment permanently...It is very difficult thing to walk in the spirit permanently.

You are not God.You need to balance the debate that goes on in your head.

My understanding is that God is Love

@zeroISinfinity I believe you are not God.I’ll sit on the other side of the biological computer brain just balance things out a bit.PEACE.

You can be trapped (i.e. embroiled within both the computers that make up your brain) for ever in the autopilot SPLIT CONSCIOUSNESS state, oblivious to the fact there is another very important UNITED CONSCIOUSNESS state i.e. MANUAL (in the moment state).If you are oblivious to MANUAL then this is when you are walking in the flesh FULLY.Generally even if an individual has some experience of the MANUAL state, they don't truly understand the significance of it. What's interesting is that when one is awakened to the Manual consciousness state, this state is still somehow embroiled within the autopilot consciousness state. If this IS NOT true then how does an individual know to bring himself/herself out of the autopilot state (subconsciousness state) and back into the MANUAL state?

@Red-White-LightTop response ..you get it!

@Heaven Consciousness is a massive factor when trying to understand how we work mentally in my opinion.There are differing consciousness states that’s for sure.Most people settle for the subconscious (autopilot) state to live their lives in.i.e. they just walk in the flesh listening to the 2 off egotistical computers in their head most of the time.

@Prevailer You are walking; thinking ;experiencing things in the flesh ...that’s alll.Im sure that you will see/experience many things..even possibly supernatural things...However when the devil has used you he will spit you out.You are being played my friend.

@Leo Gura sorry Leo...I disagree..I’m talking about a peace that passes all understanding.You are trying to understand..That where you are going wrong.

@ttm In my opinion, we are a three part beings...Spirit...Soul...Body.The problem for a lot of people... is that their souls can only communicate with their carnal (physical) bodies I.e the 2 off (egotistical and lifeless) biological computers within their heads.Both these computers just play good cop/bad cop all day.As most people spend all their lives entangled up in these machines in the autopilot/subconscious state, they are totally influenced by these “nutters“.They're just machines.You won’t get any sense out of them.Right can be wrong and wrong can be right to them.The soul (YOU) needs to realise this.When YOU start taking more notice of the different conscious states YOU realise that if you engage with these 2 off computers your consciousness becomes split.YOU feel less in touch with yourself.YOU then realise that you need to bring yourself into the moment more thus uniting your consciousness state.I could go on.All the above is just my opinion.People can believe whatever they want.

I value everyone's opinion and this forum is brilliant...however...I don't agree with you Leo....sorry...We all have our opinions.. You see, given a choice.... who would you trust..... me...or God? All these discussions ultimately come down a simple question in my opinion... whether we believe in God or not. If the spirit is regenerated there is the understanding that we become part of God....yes. This must not be confused with the thought that we are God however.

From my understanding, although this stuff is difficult to get your head around....we are not God. We have a body...we have a soul (the YOU)... and we can have a regenerated spirit (The i am). God is spirit ...and he alone can regenerate our spirit. This is where the re-connection with God comes in. The spirit is separate to the Soul and the physical body. The spiritual body is a mirror image of the physical body both of which are not the YOU. God is a person with a real 3 part body (united). Everything that exists.... exists in God.... including us.

If heaven and earth were to pass away completely.....what’s left?.....total darkness? You’re there by the way.You go to touch your body but there is nothing there because It has vanished as well.You look deeper and not only do you see complete darkness but you also see that this darkness is completely full of light.....completely.You can’t separate the light from the dark.They are completely united.You try to comprehend this by imagining a crystal ball or a bubble that contains this light and dark.You then separate this bubble I.e produce 2 off bubbles and put one on the right side of your mind and one on the left.

Questions: 1.If the theory of evolution is true and we evolved from apes and evolution took our fur away from us how come when evolution decided that it needed the fur back it dropped the ball.Why are we wearing clothes? 2.The 2 off biological computers in our heads are just machines...period.Machines know about data that’s all.Right can be wrong and wrong can be right to a computer..hence why people are now saying that there is no right or wrong (they are at liberty to do anything they want).They’ve been listening to their biological computers too much.There has to be rules or society breaks down.The ten commandments springs to mind. 3.The moment you try and introduce morality (right/wrong attitudes) into the evolution/survival of the fittest equation,it falls down period. 4.Now we know that scientist have found red blood cells in dinosaur bones,do we really believe that they are millions and millions of years old? Darwin was animal of his time. Someones sold us a pup here.