seriousman24

Full Agree.

I just add my personal imaginary concept, "skillful" before any bad word and then it makes sense, just apply intelligent love transforming rules to those according to your skill level and/or preference. Skillful arrogance Skillful hate Skillful 3rd degree burns Skillful cringe Skillful ratting Usually requires an intuitive combination(non linguistic but you can pull out concepts if you're skillful enough) of multiple truths to make sense, so arrogance should stay as what is and still be good(it can even stay bad, which requires even more "skill") and of course transformation is allowed too, the whole gist.

The only thing to give credit to for those more eastern like yogic Buddhism stuff is that some of them talk about how the universes as a whole are in a process of awakening themselves beyond humanity, we are on the 84th out of 114th and that even after that it will keep going but "fully realized" whatever that means, in other words the shareble experiences are temporarily limited until the whole universe reaches a certain level and of course certain individuals have supposedly penetrated into higher states which are of course by virtue of the grounding for them not being laid out those experiences can not be completely shared, probably because each super state universe beyond a certain level will require specific uniqueness from most beings to form a shareble experience which makes the current process and reality of sharing simply a beacon to reach the same level but of a different type to those who are not yet even close to let's say the 84th level or whatever level a human can jump into. It might be possible to reach super states by "fusing" groups of humans at the energy level/psych whatever level, whatever combination of methods you can think of which of course goes into dangerous territory as usual, sadhguru himself said that in process of consecrating the dhyanalinga multiple human beings had to get together to make the process easier/less risky and each person would have a particular set of chakras assigned which of course corresponds to those same 114 chakras that the universes supposedly are on, I choose to put some faith in these things because they sound cool, fun and adventurous, it would be interesting to know which "chakras" people's trips can reach, maybe it even goes beyond 114th or something, it's obvious that everything is "imagination" and "solipsistic" but that's why I believe this is part of why this impossibility is being manifested, so that the impossibility of multiple selves become realer and the experiences deeper, more diverse and repeatable, I have no idea. Any human knows what joy is and anyone is able to fully surrender to a perfect bliss/joy/love whatever it's just that only shareble love is allowed here, reality is going for multiple loves, multiple selves, the sustainability of something is dependent on it's sharebility/reproduction/survivability, we're going for a triple infinity of infinite bliss/infinite non suffering(both create specificity when together) and multiple selves, because now you have multiple types of infinity that can work together, this automatically implies the necessity of time+quantity+intelligence to "sort it out", I'll spare myself and you my autistic ideas about the fundamental reasons for the mechanics lol.

Suffering is suffering now matter what it is, baby rape happens because it feels good for the rapist, it's difficult because the mixes of what feels good and bad become extremely confusing so extreme caution and intelligence is necessary to proceed out of complex realities, on each step from state to state from moment to moment that which was feeling good one moment ago is feeling bad and you must react, each thing has it's quantities of each bad and good from 0% to 100%(maybe it only ever approaches 100% or 0%), one "moment" getting sunlight is good, one second more and you get burned, one moment you're perfectly safe, next moment you moved a centimeter too much and get run over, one moment you just robbed a granny and got away with it another moment you're a granny getting robbed trying to buy some medication for your grandson, one moment I'm feeling good about what I'm typing, next moment I have some regrets, damn I feel pretty "bad" right now it's a complicated mess, I'm a hedonistic monster, I don't need to care about you, but it's feeling so good that I keep typing, our bodies probably work in similar ways so you probably just a good body, lots of money/etc and I agree everything should feel good 100% of the time, if something feels bad then it is bad as long as you simultaneously know that what feels good is good and can both split, mix both and look at just either side by itself while simultaneously being able to look at all 4 both from outside and within any combination similar to a qbit quantum computer state. My point is that getting away with doing something "bad" that feels good is really bizarre, how can I be sure that the meat that I eat was really created through suffering, or that it wasn't "it's choice" to end up consumed by a "higher life form", or that any step of it is real, I just can't, so I just move on, I am limited I just can not stop myself from being the indirect cause of infinite suffering, known and unknown, future and past, I am a murderer and a rapist and it feels good anyway, I was a murderer and rapist too when I was a small child, I violated someone's right to extra space and resources, I raped someone's freedom and they had to work to feed me, sometimes creating suffering for themselves all because it also felt good to them in some way, we are all confused and whoever is or isn't in control doesn't or can't care, this reality clearly seems to be geared towards the bizarreness of difference itself, it's not about some idiotic contrast it's about the existence of multiple realities instead of just a single one, if it eventually collapses into one again forever it's meaningless, the universe is not some agreed upon version of infinite love, it should be whatever the fuck you're going to enjoy the most, therefore if it's being a successful hitler or a serial murderer/rapist/torturer then it can be, people are understandably afraid of certain lines of thoughts, personally I have delved and indulged in as far as possible in absurdly dark ideas and no matter how bad something supposedly is absolutely anything can be turned "pleasant", but this is real love, it's the "love" that's much more like the feeling of hard rock metal, slaying hordes of enemies on the battlefield,out smarting your opponents in the most devilish ways and betraying your lovers and best friends in the most horrendous and ingenious ways possible. Not only is this in full agreement with solipsistic absolute love, it is also in full agreement with linear time relative dual love with zero need to miss a single beat, no need for single iota or moment of pain/suffering, I've made the "calculations", not only can you have "one-way" love, that is, the raped and betrayed "other" does not get "switched" pain/pleasure/experience the opposite while looking as if it is still suffering you can obviously also have an asymmetrical switched version where the victim's highest love/calling/literally physical pleasure is to literally get destroyed and not only that, but just as a rapist can get better at raping so can a person being on the victim side can improve at getting betrayed and destroyed, the victim can love the perpetrator, I imagine a perfect fully realized being in the victim role might feel real compassion for an imperfect rapist who still feels some guilt(imperfect love, although of course I know "guilt" is just another form that can itself develop into something good, I'm talking about in the moment guilt feeling bad not about future perfect states coming from purified bad guilt). I don't know what all the rules are but I know you don't need to be god or to be you to move, you can need it, you can not need, I'm gonna cringe as I usually do after I post but it helps me air out the thoughts I can't really share anywhere else, I'm undoubtedly going to be the cause of someone's suffering and someone's joy, this post could even get someone killed or well they could finally reach their ultimate form too so all that I can do is move with what feels good and bad towards what feels better and yeah god is kind of not as within my definition of intelligent as I want him to be, I'm sorry I can't help you as I also can't care too much because I don't know anything about you, most people including leo and myself are already "evil" meat eaters so I don't know what all this love talk is about, the only true solution is a multi linear retroactively perfect infinite being solipsistic asymmetrical multi parallel intersecting reality(I know it's nonsensical) and since it's retroactive you could just go back and fix everything, in other words nobody is complete "yet"(at least I'm not), we're in an informational gibberish storm of chaos slowing taking some kind of form, I'm having fun, sorry for the "autism" hahahaha(full moon retard high vibes), time to cringe after a few days hahahahaha.

@Inliytened1 It's absolute love in imagination which is why we need time to think about it, when love is real in the relative it doesn't take additional time to enjoy the experience but we do need time to change both bad and good experiences until we master the relative/absolute, then we should be able to have both. When an experience is overwhelmingly enjoyable we want it to last as long as possible and we usually need an external stimulant/situation to facilitate it's continuity but in an overwhelmingly bad experience we'll naturally try to speed it up as fast as possible, because we live in time, when we speed one thing up we reduce it's quantity. When you're trying to escape a bad experience you'll inadvertently speed up some of the very small bits of that experience that could/are good that you could use to escape the situation, you'd have to slow down and grab anything remotely good in that speed up of the main part of the bad experience that you need/want to reduce and slow it down, but when you slow down a particular part that does have the tiniest amount of good in that bad experience you need to be skillful because you're already speeding up so much that this tiniest amount of good in that bad experience also has some even tinier bad bits that you can't afford to accelerate until you stabilize. This isn't everything but I can generalize anything this way. Being one means all the lines of individual sensations are connected so while a particular individual might suffer from a particular experience due to it's individuality, another individual might benefit from his bad experience unintentionally, so even though they are connected one suffers and the other enjoys/benefits, this is seemingly being worked on by having general laws of physics that apply the same way at a basic level and simultaneously allowing an individual existence, I need more stimulation to attempt to provide a satisfactory explanation that would still be incomplete.

Everything is true, but it's usually incomplete, although what is complete or incomplete simply depends on what your state is and/or how you feel about it, so one point might be that it's not about what is complete or incomplete or true it's about whether or not it's working out for you, so I basically said nothing from my own perspective because it can be interpreted in way, it just feels good at the moment.

Reduce your absolute/relative pain and increase your absolute/relative pleasure, this is all we do as far as I know, the rest are the specific details that happen to align with this goal, any questions?

@YimpaJust to be annoying for fun.

Attaching yourself to as much as possible instead and in an infinite way will also "do it", the point is infinity not which infinity, one that fits you, maybe, am I roight Yimpa hhueehuehu.

Even sadhguru said that there are two ways to "attain" and people usually die when they do it through "exploding" instead of "surrendering", with psychs you're probably "exploding" instead but you don't physically die so there's where the confusion comes from, because when you surrender you don't have immediate access to "everything", only in so far as you had mastered it, because knowledge comes from "higher chakras" and you became one but only connected to everything at your current level which is safer but also "dumber/lower"(devotion path).It's a bottom up or top down preference, you can have both obviously which is most humans and probably why we're "stuck" if we want to imagine a story. He said the exploding method comes from identifying yourself with everything instead of the opposite, what do you think happens when you identify yourself with thoughts and imagination itself? Thoughts, imagination, ego, falsity they are all things to identify as. Watch at the 5 mins mark.What do you guys think, makes sense?It seems related to me.

You're completely right, which means you're completely wrong, which means you're completely right and so on. The next step which I'm "on" too is maybe emotion or impulse, purifying our emotions and impulses so that all our impulses including the impulse to be evil are pure while still remaining evil, this is why I'm replying too, I know everyone is both wrong and right at the same time, that's what the mind is, it's not that it's hypothetically right and wrong, it's that it's both relative and absolute, relevant and irrelevant, because everyone can only act from the current state they are in we can only remove, add or stay neutral relative to any state so that's what we do. So part of what we're doing is learning to totally trust the mind(god) instead of totally distrust(ego death), that everything is both right and wrong and still move, reaching towards a combination of total ego death and total ego devilry so that we can have all our cakes and eat them too including the not having cake part, for us to go beyond the mind while retaining it the trick is to simply have more than one mind. That is, the holy grail or maybe the devil is actually that consciousness is also not just one, when we accept everything as both true and false and not just hypothetically(which is a major first step too) we start to have to go beyond it intellectually. We have to live it, this is what I'm doing here, simply following my impulse to agree with you, my consternation at people not completely agreeing with you, my catharsis from letting it all out, I know they are right about how wrong you are, which means I'm wrong, which means I'm right and so on therefore the only further purpose of discussion is more on the side of enjoying the discussion itself at the highest level just like an arena fighter fighting to the death, someone in a story playing it out yet not diminished by the fact that I know it's a story, the story neither decreases or increases by how meta aware the character is, it increases and decreases depending on all it's relative elements instead, this depends on measurable quantities. This is what is seen by many people as the second "sin" or devilry in many spiritual traditions, quantities and forms. I try to demonize and idolize everything, it deepens the satisfaction of both my fundamental understanding of reality and of complex stories, these stories which are stories from my side are actually fundamental realities to other "beings", I mean beings whose forms are extremely distinct or on would be other universes, it's intelligent entertainment, the gathering of all meanings and trivial meaninglessness for all the reasons and for no reasons at all, okay enough poetry for now.

sorry

This is the course itself you fools!!You've been deceived. I have won this round. He was going to to stage a suicide using elaborate gpt 4 prompts had nobody solved the riddle. Then after other members followed suit on the pretense he would declare them fully god realized.

Where does bashar fit in all of this?

What about hate, fear and suffering bros?

It's -1000 and +1000 as a target from any state, start end or now, ends in zero for the "world" or "story" but actually is +2000 for you. -1000 is how good you are at destroying and +1000 is how good at creating, so you can still have all kinds of complicated forms/math since you can reach any number from any number as long as you have the ability/power/knowledge/whatever fantasy we need. so we have 100x10 or 999+1 or 999-2001 to reach the same equilibrium with different expressions. Would be pretty cool wouldn't it? It implies you can have any heroic like story or villain but without actually suffering, it accepts the 0 and the infinite, the only delusion is accepting suffering and denying pleasure, the reason people get confused is because they don't apply them simultaneously to any given state and you don't have to but for the purposes of actually understanding you at least need the memory that ACTUALLY, simple pleasures lead to infinite bliss and the total removal of suffering and so does the direct seeking out of the destruction of suffering leads to infinite bliss too, we can do both at the same time and as a pendulum. We are just totally forgeting that TOTAL SELFISH destruction of suffering leads to infinite love anyway and then you accidentally reach total love from having some skill in destruction you believe it was all worth the suffering or that love IS suffering but actually this is what "they" are trying t[eiopqrtuwy

It leads to prioritizing removing unpleasant things skillfully, then the result should be a perfectly clean/pristine pleasantness, sweetness, love, beauty. It focuses on removing the negative, which is why the positive(the female energy) which focuses on choosing/building up the pleasant thing skillfull is attracted to skillfully negativity removers, here in their attraction makes them want to build up some energy in them which would enable the negative energy remover to become even stronger since the negative energy remover needs positive energy to spend on removing negativity and the positive energy builder needs and wants the available energy to either already be as clean as possible or/and have a stable environment to refine their favorite pleasant energy of their choosing which they are more skillful at building and having an eye for. Therefore constructing a potential virtuous cycle of infinite pleasantness and non suffering which can exist in a time reality because as far as I know every single life is already endowed with the godliness of perfect non suffering and perfect love but only in a perfect solipsistic individual space like form type that has not yet matured into being capable of perfectly doing the same in a space time type reality which would by definition involve the existence of others as one of the ultimate byproducts of the miracle and horror of time, others already existed but only as differences in single static infinite space form which you probably couldn't even see until the whole picture was complete, when you add time this thing we are in occurs, just a conjecture. Sorry to edit this add more stuff that prompted up but I think everything has always existed but not everything is sharable, time has always existed but we were only able to exist and pick perfect times to exist in, we must have been unable to ever exist in the infinite mystery of suffering for some reason and then something happened and we were like, wait suffering isn't real or isn't going to be real it's worth suffering to find out that it isn't real in the end, the only other conjecture is because our greed is infinite as well we wanted to bask in the potentiality of other's pleasantness even though each one of us was already basking in our individual type of infinite love, so by trying to access each other's love which we could call imagination suffering which "isn't" real because you have to imagine more love than infinite love is created because we're trying to fabricate infinite infinity probably for the infinite time "again" and to generate something beyond infinite love you need to generate something that isn't love, a different love and then on top of it to connect this impossibility, it gets around 10000 times more complicated than this to explain properly which is why this the only place I ever bothered to even try.

It's built upon absolute atomic/solipsistic elemental like love, but it likely only fully mastered suffering which it uses too much of to then try to attain to direct mastery of love, because it has mastered how to perfectly remove suffering it arrogantly moves towards trying to self create love instead of being in the perfect timeless receptivity of filtered love that it was in, it wants LESS suffering even though it is already in the perfect stillness of absolute love because that's the only action it knows, so it creates negative suffering to experience self created intentional love so that it can have an infinity of types of absolute love instead of being a single type of infinite love. Negative suffering creates time, creates others by removing sufferings that others don't even have, why did they not have them?, because nobody was aware that their self was love itself from the perspective of others, all us and all others individually were in the state of perfect unconscious love by perfect distillation of suffering, that is the love that we were receiving was from other types of beings who by nature of removing their own suffering perfectly in their own reality bubbles, by virtue of pure metaphysical true difference induce in each other's perfect receptivity something other than suffering or negative suffering, "love" which creates the need for the awareness of each others love and therefore having to take on new sufferings, or sufferings that are different from the absolute solipsistic self mastered elemental initial self. Imagine any one given perfect enlightened human, what reason would he have to interact even with another enlightened human, to have more of the same? More infinite love? It's simple really, it's MORE types of love, what distinguishes differences in types of love is the suffering that was solved in them, because they have different sufferings in them that need to be solved in order for this or that type of love to be experienced it helps for the interaction to be with a being with some memory and desire and intelligence to help you overcome/use a certain trial or mechanism to be able to attain to his type of love WITHOUT actually suffering. This is a masculine energy mental perspective btw, there's the feminine one that usually everyone's confused about because it starts from love instead of ends up on, this is the masculine that finally stops HAVING to suffer to attain new love, it can simply evolve by mutual sharing, there's no need to suffer MORE, having memory that retains the continuous mental action that enables you to know you SHOULDN'T ever suffer enables you to adventure into trying to understand others love without wanting yourself or others to go through torture to attain it and coincidentally it makes the "enlightened" male energy curious about the female energy which had no such qualms from the start but does not understand the positive meaning of what removing suffering does, it also goes through a story and comes out realizing the masculine force. That's what we seem to be, already an amalgamation of the female and masculine, I wonder if at some point in the "earlier" incarnations of the universe as my mental lore goes was more separate, because here we already have female and masculine but in "low quality levels", it makes me suspect that this is because of the realization of infinite quantity of something good being better and infinite time in something good being better than otherwise and of course BOTH together would be the greatest, with either time and quantity being interchangeable with the masculine force of destruction(destroys suffering in any given state) and the feminine force (increases quantity of any given highest quality state). I had to say highest quality state because most people can't dissociate pleasure/love from a future negative state for some bizarre reason, which is true in an imperfect force, but untrue in the sense that it reaches it's completion while retaining that necessity for caution about a future negative state when it also turns around and incorporates "destruction" skillfully.

Imao leo, it's even more funny seeing you respond nonchalantly or in an "assholish way" showing how you have fun and are just a regular human being after you were "cancelled" a good chunk more by that death cult video which I personally found quite entertaining.

I heard it works but only if you're able to lower semen production in the first place, so it's not semen retention/accumulation(expect if it might have some weird occult use), it's having your sexuality redirected or maybe turned off but without suppressing or being tense otherwise it can be useful to do it, its demonized because pleasure is severely misunderstood and underestimated. I think people should learn to look at pleasure more neutrally, not associate it so much to psychology, you just do the same thing you do when you observe pain/discomfort/suffering, you have to be minimal in your suppression/transformation of any given pleasure to correctly understand it at it's purest level, easier to observe stable pleasures that tend not to change too much like food rather than lets say a hyper complex "pleasure" in a hyper horrific trauma experience, or the pleasure of solving a rubick cube. Complex memory/event/actions are both pain/pleasure so you need objective observation of both which can then require your observational self itself to have a strong integrated measure of equanimity between these two, if you disfavor or favor either one too much you'll be unable to see what either really is at the highest and "lowest"(fundamental) levels, you have people that demonize pain too obviously but pleasure is horrifically misunderstood because in a way it's "higher" and closer to love/imagination(logic for some people) while pain is "lower" and closer to the body/hate. It's a masculine/femininize(minimally socio psychological, but it's fully there) energy intelligence thing.

You can definitely look at pleasure/pain itself as one of the most tricky fundamental perceptions which other perceptions have to be built upon, you can perceive your mind or emotions or even objects through it, like a form of ultra vipassana basically which was definitely physically dangerous to my health until I figured out how to do it in a balanced way after taking care of extreme health issues that I blame in part to extreme vipassana/witnessing/kundalini provocations, not sure but it might be a developed "third eye", I think it's what allows ego's to exist and has a lot to do with time, I think god doesn't understand time very well yet, I like to look at it as the kundalini of thought or mind or understanding itself. There's a tremendous amount that I want to share but it's mostly to satisfy my desire for inclusion which is fine but also because it takes a lot of effort to prove each and all points about each and everything both right and wrong since I have a desire to feel part of an elite "tribe" of people who understand the obviousness of thoughts as just another vector of sensations of pleasure/pain itself, purely my selfishness for fun, for the type of people who are "upside down", where impulses start from the head(imagination) more than from anywhere else, there's not much information to add that's new only to make others perception more accurate for fun and there are infinite ways to go about it, the point is that it should be worth it, fun/deep, elucidating and inclusive of all imagination, All I have to do is prove everyone right at the same time, wrong works too but that's hardcore because people want to be right more than wrong and of course a god would do both for maximum effect, I'm including myself in the right/wrong mind to "fix" since this is a pervasive metaphysical action that maximizes pleasure and reduces pain(there's a difference between suffering and pain and a connection it's hard to put it simply in words), I don't see any difference between any mind, only different physical locations for said minds to put it very simply or edges of personal events to put it slightly more complicated. It helps a lot to look at pain/pleasure as a type of movement which applies both to objects themselves and to our observation of them, any object, be it mind stuff or material, the "movement" of pleasure and of pain, what does something in pleasure tend to move more like and so on. Take note an arm looked at in isolation is just material embedded in some mind, it's basically vipassana refined to the level of mind itself. You can apply it to thoughts, to control of impulses, to the act of swallowing, anything goes, you can categorize how much and what type of pleasures and pains were in this or that, it can be dangerous because the observer is also a target to this yet it is always able to retain it's status as such indicating that the body itself has automatic functions that do these categorizations automatically so the only way to hurt yourself is by pushing your mind too far in a physical way, this translates to a feeling of "aura" type adrenaline in the head which can quickly turn into paranoia from pure energetic misalignment although it can turn into sublime understanding which is what I got addicted to like a drug. You can apply "vipassana" to the act of reading itself, anything is categorizable, of course some things are unique, like the whole self or some things only happen once, like every total moment, but since parts repeat themselves they are subject to being decomposed and memorized as the pleasure/pain mix they are, I did this to myself until eventually I had to drag living as a human into it, very horrible, works in the right environment though, it works for me because thoughts and emotions have a feeling of literal weight to them for me so it might make sense to people that can feel this weight, of course not most individual thoughts, mostly types and waves of concentrations and states of mind have different feelings of distribution of weight not just in my head where it is felt most strongly(ideally it is well distributed throughout the entire body) but surrounding myself and even the type of "pull" they tend to have as they're connected to the whole world. Anyway I think at some point this is just another voluntary act or choice that we do like any other, it can be right it can be anything depends on the context/person. I got excited that razzard made 2 posts favoring my type of logic, there needs to be more understanding of the function of pleasure in understanding itself which could be viewed as the conscious incorporation of the feminine side of the mind which I associate with pleasure maybe because I'm male. Looking at pleasure as it relates to thoughts themselves not just pleasurable events on a good/bad perspective. Looking at pleasure/pain objectively and then connecting it to the personality, which would have preferences and sufferings and then seeing it how much of the time these preferences and suffering formed/solidified when certain amounts of pleasure/pain combined and mixed with others across time to form these preferences rather than some holier than thou supreme self knowing that it was I that was selecting them, you didn't select much at first, you had to obey pain and pleasure until your mind got complex enough across time for some of the close to survival formations to become available to modification, ironically enough because ego is able to imagine it's own reasons for existing and survival that are different enough to regular biology that it can potentially become the new fundamental pain/pleasure and therefore gaining the "right" of transcendence, of course you can also just have your cake and eat it too because we can make "copies" of past formations, bring them to our present self and then you know, modify yourself in any way you want. There's too much to say, but feeling partially understood is enough for me.

I think a positive view on suffering is that it's something that allows multiple selves/desires/pleasures to coalesce and exist simultaneously and individually otherwise there might have been only isolated selves/perfected desires/pleasures, this is like infinity x infinity instead of just infinity because one specific infinity out of all of them might have always possessed the property of suffering/coalescence which infinitely explodes infinity itself, it is something that needs the positive to exist therefore it's only chance to gain the right to interact with any one isolated self/pleasure/perfect desire is to connect multiple different ones, that does sort of pose the question of why does it have to be painful at first just because there's a difference and I guess how could we make distinctions without differences when at the fundamental/ultimate elemental level of isolated desires their only superficial commonality would be basic pleasure, like the ultra ice-cream universe of pleasure and the ultimate enjoying trains universe have a pleasure for a different thing but they are different, we can see how to enjoy trains and icecream it might help you to be a human being first and for that you'd also need the other rest of infinities just to reach the state/become anyone single ice-cream train faring human enjoyer of ice screams and trains, it's kind of a really clunky backwards explanation.

We should create a poll to decide whether he should continue taking psychedelic's or take a 2 months break, in my personal and also the opinion of everyone that matters and is important, responsible and mature a 51% majority on a poll is what determines literal reality, the holopsicons of quantum meta formation that pre conceive physical manifestation are co dependent on social acceptability first which is defined by whatever already exists and therefore I declare that the most boring and safest option is always and will always be the best and I will personally obliterate your egos(ban or shame you out) if you display any probability of being inclined to pick the option on the poll that I am not personally in favor of but not because it's personal but because it's what's the best for everyone and what everyone is going to like because whatever I am currently feeling is absolute reality even before I existed because I want it to be, NO I mean I, I mean you, I mean you are the greatest yes! :DDD do what I WANT NOW AAAAAAAAAAH, oh no I'm falling into the abyss of unstable behaviour no mommy xDDDDD ROFL OH NO YOU CAN"T BE YOURSELF IN A FORUM THAT"S ALL ABOUT OPEN MINDNESS OH THE SUPREME FREEDOM OF INFINITE RESTRICTION IMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAO, IM SCARED MOMMY THE ALIEEENS AAAH

Well that's it, now it's cringe to believe the universe isn't real, now I'm on everything's real side again.

Pain lets different types of pleasures come together, because it tells you what to remove from whatever mix of pleasure you currently have, pleasure accidentally increases pain when it isn't pure because it makes you increase the frequency and/or quantity of the action that leads to it more often/increases it's quantity, therefore one side tries to remove all suffering so that whatever pleasure is left is the pure one that can be increased infinitely without worry, the other side tries to increase whatever pleasures partly because with enough indiscriminate pleasure across large enough time all suffering gets removed anyway because the inducement of pleasure indiscriminately increases everything which includes pain, which given enough time would get purified because of a few types of delusion like believing that some pain remover focused energy would increase anyway and therefore with your energy gift of pleasure it would have enough to remove everything, however both alone are false, for some reason the superior lifeform both removes and adds suffering and removes and adds pleasure, I think this is because of time itself and the simultaneous reality of others and of the solipsistic self. Universes of only pleasure or on can't exist with multiple selves because by definition, all pain would disappear and made to be as if it never existed and all pleasure would also not need to exist because it is already itself, it wouldn't need other consciousness, I can see how you could have singular self based universes if you have just pain or just pleasure based universes as long as you added time to it, time here meaning infinite progression, infinite increase in pleasure and in the case of pain it's infinite removal, so pain(it's perfect removal)+time or pleasure+time is necessary for singular consciousness and intelligence. The existence of multiple real solipsistic selves is possible in this universe that has the 3 conditions of pain, pleasure and time and furthermore it allows the physical existence of relatively unconscious elements which are compromised of mixes of simple yet unmixed types of pleasure/pain with sprinkles of time, like rocks, it's beyond me to know, fire is an example of a powerful element, these simple unconscious parts can be both completely intertwined with us or can be separated, we can choose, they can't much, I can eat an orange and we integrate in each other but maybe shit wouldn't, yet both can be absolutely useful, they can also be completely useless, therefore this reality allows all possibilities without limit as long as we fulfill our responsibility of always increasing pleasure and always seeking to remove pain, of who, of what, when, we don't have much choice until we also master time, I'm sure there are being who have these 3 elements mastered, both beings who care and who don't care, both beings who could be seen as utterly evil and utterly good and all kinds of shades that don't have to be in that gradient.