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These videos were the ones that helped me not to freak when I started to get kriyas during meditation. At 6:05 the way that person is flapping his hands, thats how i started to flap my hands too(But no shouting). Also, there were other kriyas like the shaking of the head etc. Before my experience, I thought that this may have been faked using actors. The way the kriyas feel: As if a coiled/tightened mechanical-spring trying to uncoil/unwind itself. Seems like this is how karmic conditioning is dissolved. Documentary: Dangers of kundalini awakening: How much of what she is saying in the above video is sensible and how much is bullshit I am not sure. But, seems there is atleast some wisdom to glean.

That is a Kundalini activation which happened to me too. But, without visions or change in consciousness(Change in consciousness happened only once for few minutes when i got a first activation). Just extreme body buzzing with much heat emitting through the whole body with streaks of energy violently passing through the body like electricity. It used to happen to me at night. I think such activations do happen to some people who are involved in spiritual work, especially for those who did psychedelics previously.

You can only ever experience/perceive yourself. You can never experience or perceive something which is not you. But, that YOU in the absolute sense is BRAHMAN/GOD/CONSCIOUSNESS/REALITY.

Hi Ernest, From what I understand, There never was a universe that ever came into being in the first place, there never is, there never will ever be.. All that is.. is a dreamy appearance which appears as a solid reality.. including the very concept of time which includes both of these concepts of BEGINNING and an END; as well as PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE. All that is.. is nothing but a watery mirage in the desert. There is no such a thing called mirage anywhere.. nor is the water which appears within it. Both are just illusory appearances. Similarly there is no universe anywhere prior to the appearance of the mind.. which is nothing more than a mirage and the objects which appear in it which are nothing more than watery appearances of dancing images in that mirage called mind. There is no such a thing called mind anywhere nor the objects within it. All of it is just an imaginary appearance in infinite consciousness. BUT, relative appearances have relative relevance and are relatively real. Not to be ignored or taken lightly. They have their own significance in terms of conditioned patterns, meanings and values of the minds that perceive and experience them. The questions WHAT, WHEN, WHY & HOW, etc. these are the questions of the mind. When the mind dissolves and attains oneness, or prior to any projection of a universe within some mind, what is there and who is there to ask such questions and to whom? There is only IT remaining within itself, supported by itself, as itself, cognizing itself alone without any second object. That is what everything IS, including YOURSELF. Thinking doesn't exist in that state. Questions do not arise either, because of lack of a mind. IT is what the enlightened describe as BRAHMAN in its inseparable Non-Dual form of SAT-CHIT-ANANDA pronounced as(SATH-CHITH-AANANDHA) SATH(ETERNITY of EXISTENCE - A state(not even..), not a continuous extension of time) CHITH(KNOWLEDGE - Not intellectual knowledge, but the raw COGNIZANCE/CONSCIOUSNESS itself) AANANDHA (BLISS - Natural state of Ecstasy/Exuberance and Unconditional Love) But, these are just words. The enlightened say that just like the blind person cannot understand the concept of color through intellectual understanding, similarly the unenlightened will never understand BRAHMAN/CONSCIOUSNESS/REALITY/GOD through intellectual reasoning. It is something to be experienced directly in order to understand it perfectly. Also, there are different depths of enlightenment and infinite truths(different ways consciousness can configure itself into) to be enlightened about. what was the first iteration of the universe? There never was one. But If you want to experience and perceive such a thing, you can certainly in your meditative state experience such a thing called a beginning of all of reality. BUT, although such an experience will feel realistic and true for you, others can also perceive such a thing in their own meditative state which is radically different from how you perceived it. Moreover, you yourself may perceive it differently each time you try to perceive it. It all depends on the conditioning and the state of the mind that perceives it. There are certain aspects that are perceived and 'the way they are related to' which is common for all/some minds in a universe, whereas other aspects which are different for each one.

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Sure.. no problem.

No.. I have never had an altered state yet. Only once I experienced unconditional love with less intensity for two or three minutes, where any person I can think of(Whether Hitler or Bin Laden), Emotionally I only had love for them. But, Intellectual integrity did not change for me. From that state i can easily say that people can easily lose their intellectual integrity also and get emotionally compromised and do something which they may regret afterwards.

In the above picture in the previous post. Within the second highlighted passage you can read: "there are infinite minds with infinite worlds in them.. each of them having own continents, worlds and people who have their own mind and time-space scale and life-span.. at the end their life-span, if they are not enlightened they continue to exist in infinite space , creating their own dream worlds, within them are other people, within whom are minds; within those minds are worlds in which there are more beings, ad infinitum." In the first highlighted passage, it says"..in some universes good is destructive and evil constructive..." a scary thing to read. May be this explains the beauty standard being accepted by large no of people, because of the mind that projecting the universe has a certain type of conditioning which in a way affects and projects it onto the individual minds which inhabit it. P.S: Funny thing - The first passage also mentions that in some universes there are no women. Somewhere else it also mentions that some doesn't have human beings, some solid rocks, some just full of water, some empty darkness, some just vegetation, some only animals, etc..

This is a short version translation of Yoga Vasishta. Although in its full version, at every turn whenever possible this scripture is full of artistic poetic explanations of nature and environment promoting full enjoyment of life, though with proper restrictions. This particular passage seems to suggest that even beauty depends on the mind which is projecting(Universal) and observing(Individual within that universal) it.

Although I'm not sure whether its real or fake, But I think its interesting. Around 4:45 she says she was able to see through a wall during her Kundalini Awakening. In the book Autobiography of a yogi there is story of 'I think its the author himself' who was able to see 360 degrees simultaneously as well as a wide distance, when his Guru showed him the truth by touching on his heart or something. In that same experience he explains that he was able to see the whole universe as a city in a far away distance in the infinite consciousness.

@Carl-Richard An Old Post. Maybe it'll help:

I myself never had an awakening yet. But, based on listening to many people's experiences and reading a lot of literature on non-duality, it all points to the fact that there is no such a thing called this is a possibility and that is not. The moment you have imagined it, in a way you have already created it, in whatever subtle form it is being thought of currently. Solipsism is a possibility and if one is capable, one can experience it vividly within one's own mind space by projecting a whole universe and its reality and experience it with full, partial or no control of what can be and what cannot be within it. But, it is only one way of experiencing the reality. Not so very useful for external social interaction. In the external world you are just a character within the imaginary dream of another mind(Which we call as universe). There can be infinite such minds. This is just like how a whole universe is projected in our night dream. As a character you have your own mind, so does others. Other minds are not unreal. they are as real as yours. But then, what is real and unreal? Everything is a projection of consciousness like a mirage in the desert. Can you say mirage itself doesn't exist? Or can you say that the water that appears in the mirage is real? It is both real and unreal, yet being neither at the same time. Such is the nature of our experience too. It exists without existing. It is real yet unreal while being neither at the same time. Different categories of minds have different characteristics. Whatever one's disposition is, one experiences his thoughts and reality accordingly. This is true even in enlightenment so far as I have seen, with different people explaining their enlightenment experiences differently. But, there is a certain underlying fundamental reality that exists which is present and same and unchanging in all those experiences and it is that which projects all of this, which different people call differently, namely: GOD/CONSCIOUSNESS/EMPTINESS/NOTHINGNESS etc.. The Consciousness/God Can project itself as limited, unlimited, partial, full, or whatever.. it can project itself as anything and everything without any restriction. The statement: Everything is a dream is true, from the Absolute perspective. As is everything is real, from the Relative perspective. Consciousness as a whole oneness can and does project infinite realities within itself all the time. What one experiences may not be what another experience. That does not mean that the other person does not have a mind of their own with own feelings, emotions and a whole life of their own. They do. There are certain instances where people have experienced the experiences of others as their own. One such example is the story of somebody who experienced a life of some future person during Ramana Maharishi's time. There are stories in ancient literature of one person experiencing the experiences of another like they are experiencing it directly by themselves. Please do not underestimate Consciousness and reality. It is far more mysterious than anyone could ever imagine. The moment a person says that this is how it is and it cannot be any other way. They have already limited their experience from experiencing those other things.

I think, the spine should be vertically straight during meditation. Because, any mystical experience or awakening is caused by the passing of atleast a streak of Awakened Kundalini through the central channel called sushumna upto to the top of the head called Brahma Randhra. I once read that there are more than 800,000 different yoga asanas that one can use for meditation. But, may be some of the poses are used for directing the kundalini into different parts of the body so that it can cleanse those parts through its flow. The Lotus position may be the generic one which is suitable for many which is helpful in allowing the kundalini to pass through the central sushumna.

Hi @toad_mcnuggets , That was a great trip report. Can you please elaborate on this. Can you with your closed eyes live a whole other life in your imaginary visualization? Do you feel like it's possible in your current state? I'm very curious.

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Yes, when all the chatter of the mind is stopped and attention is focused on the Love aspect, It explodes into infinite proportions. Loving devotion is the key, if love is your priority.

There is no ONE universe. A universe or any universe is a mind itself. A universe can imagine an infinite no of minds within itself just like you imagine a whole universe in your dream. Minds within same universe can perceive each other, whereas different ones cannot. But, if you can enter into deep samyama, you can perceive any reality of any universe, for every universe is just an echo within the same BRAHMAN. This is why I keep insisting people to read Yoga Vasishta:https://estudantedavedanta.net/The-Supreme-Yoga-Swami-Venkatesananda.pdf and other such texts to get a proper understanding of reality. Forum is not the place to learn the whole thing. It is only useful for clearing doubts and confusions. Even enlightened are not good with knowledge when it comes to existence. Without proper theoretical background, even a direct experience can be very confusing. On top of all of this, no book ever contains the entire truth. For BRAHMAN/CONSCIOUSNESS is not restricted in anyway.

Consciousness does not think that I want to explore all the different permutations and combinations I can present myself in. Consciousness itself does not do anything except to BE. Once a movement and change occurs in it, then it takes the form of a mind, which may then afterwards take the form of an intelligence, thinking and intention, wishes, likes & dislikes etc.. Prior to becoming a mind, there is no thinking faculty. Think of it like a clear blue sky which presents infinite amount of clouds with myriad of different shapes and sizes. Clouds appear and disappear in the sky depending on the wind and atmospheric as well as many other myriad of conditions. Similarly, varying conditions of life appear and disappear because of cause & effect activity. Prior to the mind, causal chain doesn't exist. Just like the tiny frothy bubbles are formed at the beach when the waves hit the beach. Similarly, the minds are formed when the waves of consciousness starts to wave and crash upon itself. Then afterwards the minds are formed, the whole cause & effect chain starts to evolve. As for the question, what causes the initial movement and waving in consciousness. The answer generally given by the Vedantic sages is that just like the nature of water is its wetness, heat is of the fire. Similarly, creating myriad of creations through such movement and vibration within itself is the nature of BRAHMAN / CONSCIOUSNESS.

IT and of ITSELF is neither INFINITE nor INFINITESIMAL. Both are two different concepts IT can present itself as. IT is neither SOMETHING nor NOTHING, yet being BOTH at the same time. IT neither Is, nor is IT Not. No being will ever be able to understand it completely because a Being(Either a GOD, Angel, Human or whatever other..) and its understanding using a mind are simply configurations of IT which appear and disappear in IT. For the Mind, IT is a PURE MYSTERY.. Anybody who says otherwise is simply lying to themselves and others.

Most of the fear people have in terms of spirituality and religion is about HELL, SIN and consequences. Although these concepts have a certain truth to them. They are not what the traditional religions teach them to be. HELL/HEAVEN is a state of Dreamy Hypnotic Consciousness(Similar to Psychedelics) you get into after death of the physical body, based on the kind of conditioning you have attained through-out your life. HEAVEN is that Dreamful state which is of pleasant nature, whereas HELL is of uncomfortable sufferable nature. The way those places appear and what you experience in them depends on your cultural conditioning. When you experience them, you experience them as if they are very real. It is just like every day dreaming. Whatever through out the waking time you have experienced, those memories repeat in the form of dreams with various mixtures and proportions based on various factors. If you become lucid in your dream, you'll understand how real dreams can be when they are experienced. Be assured that you rarely will ever experience something which you have no knowledge of. What you call as experience is simply the reconfiguration of your already accumulated memories, tendencies, behavioral patterns, knowledge, intelligence, energy, configuration of internal airs, etc. all of these which we collectively call as conditioning, or otherwise called as Karma. Karma is as much as collective as it is individual. Important things to note: 1 - Most of the Behavioral patterns are based on previous conditioning which mostly resides as subconsciousness. What we express consciously is very little. Since a person is generally not even able to sit down and keep their mind quiet without slipping into the thought flow even for a minute; Unless conscious control is attained on the mind; that, with a conscious control one can completely stop the mind at will without even thinking a single thought even on a subtler level for a long time, one cannot expect to only experience HEAVEN during their afterlife. 2 - One may think that since I now know that it is only a dream like state, so I can do anything I want now. Not so. Like I said, your conditioning determines your experience. In your waking state you may have bullied somebody. Deep inside you may be fearful that such behavior might get you into trouble. That incident may repeat itself in the form of a dream at night. But, there is no guarantee that dream is going to repeat the same way it had happened in your waking state. It is very much possible that in the dream, you are the one actually getting bullied, or that the fear you have had about such behavior might actually materialize in your dream. You may have a bad dream of having to go through the trouble for such behavior. In this case it is triggered by your subconscious fear. 3 - It is not easy to perfectly program your subconsciousness in a particular way. That is why pleasant ways of behavior in life ensures pleasant ways of experience in afterlife, which is called as HEAVEN and unpleasant ways of behavior in life might get you into unpleasant ways of experience in the afterlife, which people call as HELL. This is where regular prayer, devotion, yoga, meditation comes in. These are all positive ways of conditioning yourself to avoid or counteract the negative conditioning. 4 - That is why even the crude understanding of the concept of karma people generally have is in a certain sense and to some extent accurate. 5 - There is no white, brown, red or black bearded guy sitting there judging people. But, certainly people do experience such a thing because of cultural conditioning. 6 - Innocent people(Most of the Population) can only think and intellectualize GOD as a human figure because the human form is what they can relate to easily. If monkeys had the same kind of intelligence we had, they would only think of god as a monkey. Thats why White man thinks GOD is white, brown man thinks GOD is brown, black man, yellow man, purple man, etc..etc.... think GOD to their own temperament. Best case on point to the 6 th point: What you should do is to keep exploring. Read Yoga Vasishta: https://estudantedavedanta.net/The-Supreme-Yoga-Swami-Venkatesananda.pdf It explores consciousness in the form of interesting stories.

Thanks Brother.. I really appreciate you taking the time to read it..

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Whosoever originally written this, surely they were tripping hard.... I like it.

The limitation is only of the explanation. Not of the experience(State-less, Experience-less, Non-Experience) itself. A person who has tasted sugar does not need to question about the sweetness of the sugar. Only the person who has never tasted sweetness before will keep on wondering about the sweet taste. It is guaranteed that he is never going to understand it through spoken words in the form of theoretical knowledge. Direct experience of tasting the sweetness and intellectualizing about it through words are two different things existentially. Just like a colour blind person will never understand the meaning of color and visual reality by even an infinite amount of words with which one can explain it to him. Similarly, it is said that, an unenlightened person will never understand The Non-Duality - Labelled as NON-DUALITY, BRAHMAN, GOD, NOTHINGNESS, EVERYTHINGNESS(ONENESS), etc.. which are just labels. These words don't mean anything by themselves. Just tools used by individuated(Having a formed Mind) creatures to communicate about IT. The only way to understand it is by direct experience. But, the real pickle is: Even in direct experience, it can present itself as anything and everything. It can present itself as Non-Dual Oneness; Nothingness; A GOD with a form as devotees experience it; A GOD but creation done with a separate agency; A GOD without agency; and infinite other formful or formless or something else.. something else... ways. Like mentioned above you can certainly experience exactly the way you are thinking about it. But then, that would just be a single way out of infinite other ways you can experience it. BRAHMAN / GOD can always one up against itself. There is no restriction as to what or how it can be and cannot be. It is something that doesn't have a particular designation, label, form, reality, truth, or anything for that matter. It is the very essence of the word Mystery. Even Unreality is just a state it can take; Even formlessness is just a state it can take; even Non-Existence is just a state it can take; even STATE is just a state it can present itself as. With it.. Eveything is... Without it.. Nothing is.. NOT EVEN NOTHINGNESS. Being from a Hindu background and having seen many sages from hinduism as well as other religions describing their experience of BRAHMAN / GOD as variegated ways through out history for thousands of years, and seeing each of them having unwavering faith in explaining what they experienced to be utter TRUTH and REAL. This has been confirmed that such is the case by Ramakrishna Paramahamsa by veryfing a few of these ways by direct experience. There are others sages in the past who have also been both Devotionalists as well as Non-Dualists at the same time. My present undersanding of it is that GOD / BRAHMAN is like how I have described above. Of course there is much more to each of the ways it presents itself. But, the only way I can make sense of all of it is as I explained above. One thing is for sure. There is no THE GOD or A GOD. There is just IT which presents itself as THIS & THAT. Any experience of experiencing THE GOD or A GOD is just simply a single way it is presenting itself.