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@The observer Notice in yourself how you are trying to prove me wrong, If you chose to do the opposite, and look for the ways that I'm saying is reasonable, you wouldn't be so persistently critical, and instead see the ways this model can be used to explain a lot. The point on circular reasoning, true I did use that logic to point out how accurate it is at explaining my own intention but notice how you use that to prove your agenda that I'm closed-minded and not open to reinterpretation. "I'm using circular logic" "Stage ORANGE and below" which is said to imply that I'm deluded. Also, I'm not sure what you meant by "when we say approach" and "we differ in understanding intentionality". Who are you referring to by "We" and what do you mean by difference of use of those two words "Approach" & "Intention". Could you help me out a little and tell me the multiple interpretations I dismissed? By the very fact that you are pointing out personally how "you think" I responded to the users here, instead of analyzing the model and seeing its implications. It indicates to me ORANGE intentionality. Nothing wrong with that, as mentioned in before posts on this thread.

@The observer My approach is to create a better map of reality and yes Im certain of this model so I want to prove this model is right and those who dismiss it wrong but this isn't the main intention. This is combined intentionality YELLOW + ORANGE I would say more its a 7:3 ratio. Which only further proves the accuracy of the model. I should mention, there is no right or wrong intentionality, of course, RED and BLUE intentionality are usually not suitable for high-level communication to happen, you could then call them "wrong" but that's because of how ineffective they are, and in the case, with RED intentionality it is often bannable. I'm in agreement with you and "lmao" when you say the power of the model is how you relate to it. With that being said though, I believe (based on my own observation of myself) that these intentions are mappable and the advancement levels have a predictability to them.

@Consept This is a common combined-intentionality. Orange and Yellow. You could also have Green and Yellow where you aim to help reconfigure ideas and correct people but do so with the intent of truly helping and loving, at the certain times users have this intentionality, they will often times post at the end write something along the lines of "I appreciate you and the way you think, I hope I could help and be of use, much love" But this is an indication of their intentionality not actual evidence of it, some users will seek to dismiss you and prove they are right (ORANGE) and then will also post at the end "I truly hope you get the message, I hope I could help, much love".

@EntheogenTruthSeeker Much love. Wishing you the best.

@Leo Gura Happy Bday man. What is your opinion of this idea/model?

@lmfao Every aspect of the human psyche advances in complexity. It so happens to be that you bounce back and forth between self vs other as the fundamental way of advancing or coping with this complexity. This is what is recognized as the “Stages” Spiral Dynamics is known to tracks human values and moral development, but It is more than just limited to that, you can use it as an tool to understand all kinds of different aspects of the human psyche that advance in complexity. You mentioned unwarranted use of spiral dynamics... Logic and coherent understanding don’t need an authoritative figure to validate them. Edit: I'm not trying to disprove you and be right for the sake of doing that, that isn't my intention here, I agree with you on most of the points, except for the one, I mentioned last.

Is this a cause of anxiety? Throughout my day I will spontaneously get sweaty palms. I usually notice at those moments I am caught up in fear to some extent. Is there a solution to this? Diet, supplements...

@Preety_India I think you meant to say that on your own post... What you said is true absolutely, about how people can be up on the scale but not love themselves. Spiral-Dynamics doesnt just track moral development and cognitive development, which you expressed, it can be used to model any most human-related systems of advancing complexity. Self-love does go through a process that can be tracked using the spiral, I'm too tired to think up what that would look like. #SleepyAF

@Cykaaaa The content of what they say conveys their BLUEness "moral values" which can be perceived as dogmatic, but the intention to prove others wrong and them right is ORANGE. It is totally possible to be morally stage BLUE and intend to connect, bond, and be of support to others stage GREEN. An example of this is when you see religious people gather around and just share their own experiences with Jesus Christ and how he spoke to them, sharing each other's opinions to help bond and uplift each other. The moral development is stage BLUE the Intentionality and communication is GREEN.

@Cykaaaa I would like to mention the importance of our conversation. It has allowed me to more accurately connect the dots. That being said, I think BLUE coming on here to prove they are right and others are wrong is ORANGE, not BLUE intention. BLUE "morals" people have ORANGE intention towards other BLUE "morals" people.

@Cykaaaa There is nothing wrong with saying "I'm right and you are wrong". In fact, that is closely related to what assertiveness is. And that is useful. In fact, let me use ORANGE intentionality right now on the same sentence: Why does everything need to be black and white?! There is nothing wrong with ORANGE intentionality..."I'm right you're wrong" In fact, that is closely related to what assertiveness is. And that is useful!! dont you seee!!!!! The tonality is different in the second one therefor conveying a different intention. I really hope you get the gist of it by now. Again bro, criticism if it is constructive it is categorized as YELLOW since it does not play a role or have an agenda other than reconfiguring the idea in a more accurate manner.

@Derek White More accurately said, Spiral Dynamics is fundamentally used to explain human values and motives. Spiral dynamics is usually used to describe values thats why its confusing when I talk about more nuanced uses of it. I agree with you totally but I want you to see that spiral dynamics is so much more than just the plain ole Values facet. You talked about how people lower on the spiral lack the emotional understanding which is literally beyond thoughts, totally dude thats the only thing holding back blue-values people from moving to orange-values because they haven't had to go through the emotional burden of having less developed values.

@Cykaaaa I would say constructive criticism, in the facet of intentions, only belongs to YELLOW, and that stage only, because it aims to understand and reconfigure an idea. The tonality in which you spoke indicated to me stage ORANGE using the "Intentionality Map". But I might have misjudged, but never the less I think you get the idea. Leo can have stage ORANGE intentionality. What are you implying by the second sentence?

@Thewritersunion Lol, I don't fucking know. What I'm tracking here is intentionality, intentionality gets more and more complex and you can use spiral dynamics to explain that, I don't know what comes after YELLOW.

@Cykaaaa Okay, so let's dissect. "You're assuming that" "much more nuanced than this!" this is what I would call stage ORANGE interaction within the forum, this kind of "my viewpoint is right and yours? not so much" I'm pointing towards "intentionality of communication" or "Operating system of interaction" as opposed to the actual value development of the users. There is a distinction. You can be here to improve yourself ORANGE (Values facet) and then learn new things YELLOW (Intention facet).

@Preety_India Im still growing my understanding of SD, but I think low self-esteem is a low level of development within the facet of "Self-Love" In spiral dynamics.

@Derek White Not sure what you are trying to say, Im somewhat confused. Your values are just one aspect of the lines of spiral dynamics. Each level of the spiral could be considered as complexity period. Then you can link that to values, friendships, etc..

@Derek White What do you think spiral dynamics represent? A level of being? well, what is that... certainly, a kangaroo can't understand a human but that's not how spiral-dynamics works. By problem-solving I don't mean IQ, I'm referring to the ability to interact with the environment to get a result. Spiral dynamics tracks the average progression of "problem-solving" ability as the "problems" get more complex. The levels on the spiral are approaches to dealing with life, and there are many facets within life that are dealt with using different stages. For example, you can teach a BLUE person to view friendships in a stage GREEN way, they can fully understand it but they won't like it since it doesn't emotionally feel right for them and because they don't see why it's necessary.

@Preety_India I think what's really happening here is that you're looking for a reason to feel good about yourself, "If I'm creative, I'm awesome" "If I'm not, I'm crap". I think creativity is to do with how well you can link ideas together and your ability to envision new possibilities usually it's recognized to be in an adventurous and fun manner. It's a skill that can be trained, don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise. That being said, I think you're undoubtedly creative.

Champ. Happy birthday

@remember Damn another reply huh? Just read up that a common cure for hyperhidrosis is antidepressants, If I'm not mistaken that works with anxiety or does it also influence the heat regulatory system.

@remember So let me ask you this question, why do you think it is that sometimes I have sweaty palms and other times I don't. What's at play here, usually I notice my sweaty palms and then notice the heightened anxiety or fear but not always is there anxiety (or maybe I'm too unconscious to notice). Could it be the heat regulatory system malfunctioning? I have no clue what this system is or how it works btw so if you could give some insight into that I would appreciate it.

@remember I'll try that and report back the results.

@Derek White Well yes, self evaluation can be inaccurate if you are confused and dont understand the model with clarity this doesn’t have to necessarily involve self bias. Self evaluation can also be inaccurate due to self bias which I see as having the need to play your self up, or claim that you have a territory on truth. In which case this results in one thinking they’re above their stage. Its not so much a test its more of an assessment fully vulnerable to self bias and lack of understanding of the model. The great thing about this SD dynamics model is that you can use it to assess almost anything that involves you interacting with something. What do I mean? Lets say youre on the forum. There is a you and there is a forum. How are you interfacing with the forum? The forum consists of people and their opinions. Which manner do you go about navigating through that? That can be answered using SD RED: You are looking for ways to develop power and go about it in an impulsive manner. BLUE: You are here to conform and belong and create an ideology. ORANGE: You are looking to prove everyone else wrong, and show that you are right. (There's a lot of that here, I included) GREEN: You want to contribute to the forum community, connect, bond and help individuals as well as receive guidance. YELLOW: You are looking for new perspectives and insights, with the aim to help you create a better model of reality.

@remember Thanks for the input, now that you mentioned it, yes whenever I take cold showers I don't get sweaty palms o sweaty anything for the next 5-6 hours. The lack of sweaty palms after the cold shower might be a result of the drastic reduction in anxiety that comes from cold exposure but who knows.