UnconsciousHuman

@Virgo This model is proven to help people recognize their intentions more accurately. People that have grasped this model have reported to me that they see these operations within themselves and that has served as an advantage. Again, this model if understood correctly, has the potential to dramatically increase your awareness over your intentions when communicating.

@lmfao I dont like how you just categorize me as an impressionistic thinker. It serves as a distraction from the topic at hand. You, by trying to slap that model on to this discussion, caused a stutter in the actual understanding process that was going on. You also hinted at the fact that the things I was saying were alogical which made me feel dumb and not so practical. Now when ever Im writing something I’ve got a neurosis to deal with thanks to you. If you look closely, which you did not. You would see that my thoughts were expressed in an easy to understand and very explicit manner. Dont slap you shit theme onto me dude, especially when you didn’t take a closer look. And no this is not an invitation for you to psycho analyze me. Just don’t, stop trying to play the role of some genius anime character, leave this thread, and don’t reply. I would prefer not to hear from you again. Again, I want to let you know just how much I dislike your contribution to this thread.

@Keyhole stay warm

@The observer@Cykaaaa Extreme example of SECONDintention-of-communication: When someone threatens to shoot you if you say the wrong thing, when you talk to them your intention will be to conform and obey them, this intention is what I'm referring to when I say "SECONDintention-of-communication". It's an intention to "Go along with whatever is happening"

@Derek White High IQ comment right there.

@The observer How would you yourself map out that unhealthy vs healthy manifestation? Could it not be a more matured and evolved way of expressing SELF onto others? In other words "the next stage of expression" Look, you are still coming from the place of bringing in the values of the stages of spiral dynamics... This is separate from that! This is looking at the meta-process that happens in spiral dynamics and using that to map the intentions of communication. And that meta-process is: the swinging from the expression of SELF to the expression of OTHER. It is totally independent of the values of each stage. I hope you understand that the values that immerge in spiral dynamics are a cause of the "Swinging of the pendulum" but are independent of it, meaning that the new values that immerge are from the previous stage's values, and that emergence is triggered because of the swinging of the pendulum. Intentions swing from expressing "SELF" to "OTHER" and the way that's done matures as you go up the levels. Explanation: The first stage is an unhealthy expression of SELF (intention to dominate), then the second stage is an unhealthy expression of OTHER (intention to be submissive), then the third stage is a healthier expression of SELF (intention to assert self as being right), then the fourth stage is a healthy expression of OTHER (intention to connect and bond), then the FIFTH is an expression irrelevant to self or other but rather its an expression to better understand.

@Cykaaaa Yes the intention of TWO/BLUE and FOUR/GREEN is “OTHER over SELF” so it is the opposite of “to confront”. The focus of those two intentions is on OTHER. However they too have their response somewhat, I just didnt write them. I will do that later. Stay tuned

@Cykaaaa@The observer Materialist = Spiral Dynamics stage ORANGE person. Example: An imaginary dialogue between Leo Gura and a materialist. Leo Gura: On psychedelics, you can begin to see that everything is conscious and that you are connected to everything. Materialist: *intention to better understand* But Leo couldn't that just be the effect of your brain experiencing the psychedelic compound as the neurotransmitter oxytocin. It is known that oxytocin is the bonding chemical, so couldn't your perception of "everything is connected" be explained by that perceived increase in oxytocin? Materialist: *intention to bond with Leo + to better understand* What you're saying is truly magical! I agree with you, that is what appears to be the case, however I have a question, couldn't your perception of "everything is connected" be explained by the psychedelic compound mimicking the neurotransmitter oxytocin? I'm not saying you're wrong I just want to see what you think. Anyways thanks for even sharing these wonderful insights! You're the best ❤️ Materialist: *intention to prove Leo wrong* Leo, you're blind to the reality that this experience of connection is simply because the psychedelic compound mimics the neurotransmitter oxytocin. This means that when you experience everything as bonded and connected its because your neurotransmitters make you feel that way. Materialist: *Intention to conform + to better understand* Yes, on psychedelics everything seems connected I agree with you, however maybe this connectedness could be a result of the psychedelics mimicking oxytocin...I'm not sure though. Materialist: *intention to dominate Leo* What are you a fucking idiot? Woo-woo piece of shit. You just want to believe that because you're an emotional little snowflake. The reality is that psychedelic compounds mimic the neurotransmitter oxytocin and that tricks you into thinking everything is connected. Pathetic girly snowflake. Same idea, different intention. Same world view, different intention. Fundamentally the "OTHER" (opposite of "SELF") oriented intentions of communication (SECOND and FOURTH) seek to agree so they will not be manifest in a form of confrontation. FOURTH seeks to agree and connect/bond and SECOND seeks to agree and conform.

@Keyhole I think depending on your mood, the subject of discussion, or other factors you can alternate between the stages. So the "mode of operation" you use to interact with the people isn't fixed all the time. It is also possible to have combined Intentionality. Example: Learning and proving yourself right/superior. FIVE + THREE.

@Keyhole Nice monkey picture you got there. I wonder what stage the monkey is...

@Keyhole The intention of communication is not the same as the way you go about communicating it.

@The observer Understandable. Well, I would like to put an end to this dialogue. Let's agree to differ.

@The observer Well is it because you don't have skype or for other reasons? If it's for other reasons, I'm saddened to hear that, because I really really really want to help you see just how simple it is to get it, it's very nuanced but when you see it, you see it.

@The observer Just skype call.

@The observer No, you persist to fail to understand this concept. Im not going to explain this over and over. You either get it or you don’t. Others have gotten it. Im open to a call on Skype where I explain it to you.

@lmfao This "categorizing people" can be useful, but sometimes it can serve as a distraction or any many cases a way to trivialize a certain viewpoint. He's an "X" thinker or "Z" category so therefore his opinion isn't as valid or accurate. Similarly the case with astrology where you slap labels on to people (Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Midheaven, Mercury..).

@The observer Rationality, logic, proof are manifestations of wanting to reconfigure and understand something. The intention to reconfigure and understand something I’ve categorized as FIVE/YELLOW. Not ORANGE.

@The observer In your response you seem to be mixing in the values facet of Spiral Dynamics with this model.

This model has the power to make a more actual understanding of spiral dynamics. For example when you see a stage RED gang leader be kind and loving towards his family. How could that be explained? His values are RED aren't they? This model shines light on that.

@The observer In the case with this model/facet Im isolating only the intention of communication or in other words, the kneejerk reaction to communicate in a certain way. Please read the following diligently as I know it has the potential to transform your understanding of Spiral Dynamics. When I look at Spiral Dynamics Im not looking at the shift in values that are happening, Im looking at the fundamental emotional kneejerk reaction that causes them. This kneejerk reaction is simply SELF vs OTHER or RIGID vs EXPANDING. This is what Spiral Dynamics is tracking. Not the actual “values” in and of themselves but rather, what the manifestations of the kneejerk reactions are. Orange is a kneejerk reaction to “SELF”. In relevance to “Intention Of Communication” Orange’s intention is to assert itself, now how it does that is more advanced than the stages below so for example when stage RED/ONE intention asserts it self, it does so in an aggressive manner, while stage ORANGE/THREE does it in a more calm “prove you wrong” manner. On the Spiral Dynamics Value facet, the so called “values” like rationalism, proof, logic, understanding etc... of stage ORANGE immerge simply because the stage before was dogmatic and non-logical (BLUE). Not because those values are inherently built in to the development of the human but rather because the human is choosing to express SELF and he can only do that by going against the previous values. I hope now you get the meta idea that allows you to slap Spiral Dynamics onto almost anything that develops in complexity, again... SELF vs OTHER or RIGID vs EXPANDING This is the theme.

@Carl-Richard It is a Line/Facet. This is very important stuff hence the thread for it. Orange intentionality will look for flaws even if they arent there to make the implicit point of: “What your doing is stupid, Im superior by pointing that out”

@Leo Gura What is your opinion of this thread

@Espaim Time for a smoothie m8.

See where you are on the spiral in different aspects of your psyche... The columns below represent different aspects of your life "Lines" and the rows (shown in colors) represent the Spiral Dynamics stages. See for yourself what level of development you have in each aspect of your life. It is a map in the end so it is not going to explain everything, but it can give you a pretty accurate sense of who you are. It is wise to do this evaluation once every year to see how you have progressed. Here is the file: Spiral Dynamics Lines Of Development Bar Chart.xlsx You can open it with google sheets, you don't need Microsoft Excel. This is roughly how you can assess yourself: Friendships: RED; Do you relate to others for personal gain? BLUE; Or do you seek to belong and conform with others?, ORANGE; Or do you seek to have growth friendships? GREEN; Or do you seek to connect and empathize with others and find fulfillment through connection? I don't know about yellow or turquoise yet... Routine Planning: How are you planning your day? BLUE; Are you religious and rigid about it? making arbitrary tasks that everyone just does? ORANGE; Or are you going to look for yourself and see what tasks suit you and make a methodical plan? GREEN; Or are you going to just lay back not, plan anything, and let your emotions guide what you want to do? YELLOW; Or are you going to create the most efficient possible day by integrating your both emotions and methodical planning?

@Carl-Richard Exactly no individual is summarized by one SD stage. What is this mixed bag? It can be mapped and understood!!!! It is called "Lines", different facets of ones life and how developed they are. Look at this thread