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@ivankiss what are gs writings?

@ivankiss Hey, what happened? Did you jump out of existence/fruition/cessation/nirvana for a while or did you do something else? How did you do it?

@Leo Gura I'm gonna try that with lego blocks!

@The0Self I can't want that again, ironically.

@Wilhelm44 "When you awaken, the world awakens with you" is a quote somewhere It's because the sense of self consists not only of what is in your Body, but also what is seen, felt heard, located. Other-selves are your sense of self. You believe (feel like) there's some soul or consciousness inside of other people, because, you feel you have that IN your body. When the sense of self disappears in your Body, other people stop being people, but are perceived as "soulless robots". Leo puts it "other people are imaginary". I think is too confusing to put it that way.

@Nahm Yes, that's the issue. The "I" always highjacks experience. Nomatter if it's doing something or if it stops doing something. There's always the "oh, I need to let go of this and that in order for XY to happen again, so I know now how to navigate reality" It's also highjacking this insight and has the stupid idea of "Oh, now I NEED to stop doing that". After a while: " OH stopping actually worked, I need to remember that I need to stop when this and that happens" Always highjacking again. It's the imaginary dog chasing it's imaginary tail. It's nonsense what I am doing.

@Nahm I got it. Your question made me think, it just came up. Why do I want to test my equanimity, and see how long I can SDS and deal with strong emotion? Obviously because I want to be invincible, it's the part of me that wants to be able to overcome every type of suffering, because I believe that once I can handle every type of suffering I can finally be free and happy! Damn it's what I've been trying for years! Oh god, every success is just a mile in an uphill neverending battle against suffering. That's what I believe I am doing. How much more suffering do I need, to finally get that there's nothing "I" can do about it.

@Thought Art I start with refering to Shinzen Young if they meditate or Rupert Spira and Eckhart tolle if they don't want to work their ass off.

@The0Self "I want to find that liberation, where is it?" "I just need one more pointer, one more awakening!" "How do I get liberation, what do I have to do to be free" "I want to know what it feels like not to know anything" "I just need to listen to one more podcast of someone telling me that this is already it" "How do I allow what is to be what is?" "What do I need to do, for everything to happen on it's own"? "How can I control absolute freedom, so that it serves me?" The ego-self is insane.

@Raptorsin7 IMO, the issue with teaching is not necessarily how to point, but how to guide students based on their situation. I can give you examples of things I wouldn't know how to handle: -Someone dissociates -depression -Wants to commit suicide -psychotic delusions -Hallucinations -Is immoral and risks becoming an enlightened psychopath -Dark night -Kryias -Anger and violence And then there's all of the other mental issues... Those are only the things I know about that I'm not confident in handling, and I don't want to be the guy that leads them there and then tell them they're on their own. There was a guy named Rali (Naked reality on youtube), he got his students to awaken their Kundalini, and then when they entered the dark night, which always happens, he realised he couldn't help them anymore. He deleted his channel after realising what he did, didn't actually help anyone.

@Raptorsin7 When the student is ready, the teacher shows up. When the teacher is ready the students show up. That's it. You're never really ready and you have to know your limitations. I told people to meditate before I was even aware of how the path can look like. That was stupid, I regret doing it and fortunately people were stubborn and didn't listen to me.

@BipolarGrowth You're making predictions of your future experience and how you can use your neurodivergent mind to change the matrix. How are you going to change your reality? Because you cannot simply wish things into existence and they appear out of thin air. I hope we agree that there needs to be action. And for that I think I have to agree with everyone else and say that you might want to ground yourself first, before losing yourself in the formless realms again. Do you know that the last ox herding picture is about, returning to regular life, without the ox? Are you gonna do that now? I enjoy reading your experience, but I hope that you get that everyone is worried, because they're not sure if you're gonna be able to get back on earth, without taking any damage.

@BipolarGrowth I get the first part. You lost me at "Luciferian Bhakti-fueled singularity". I read the rest 3 times and can't follow the rest of your experience. I'm not sure anybody can make sense of the formulations and words you use in the second part of your answer. Can you put it in easy terminology, so that everyone gets what you mean?

@BipolarGrowth Hey, can you describe your detailed Moment to moment experience now, compared to someone who isn't in stream entry? I'm interested in seeing how your experiments affected you. Also, how differently do you experience your depressive lows (if they still occur) compared to previously. How do you navigate through the dark night into equanimity and how does it feel? I want as many details as possible, if you're not too busy. I'm curious.

@Leo Gura I am not conscious of it right now, but I've realised that I dream all of "reality" sober. including self and other. Now I am back in duality. You could measure it by how stable, frequent or effortless it is. Just imagine someone has the exact same realisation as you, but says it's permanent, and he cannot focus in it or out of it, and you on the other hand need to focus to realise God. Hypothetically, couldn't he give you a hint like "try not to be conscious of God for a week" and this would have the opposite effect and actually "increase" your god-consciousness? Or point you towards some aspect of God-consciousness you aren't yet familiar with. What if some pointers/methods, actually increase the duration and reduces the effort of God consciousness? I'm sure you experiment with it all the time yourself, and other's do too and share what works and what doesn't.

@Leo Gura Except if you want to test your enlightenment!

@Leo Gura My perspective doesn't matter. I listen to lots of teachers with an open mind. I don't know who's right or wrong, but neither can you. Some things/pointers/maps/methods help and some don't. I'm also not saying you are wrong and he is right. What I am saying is from his perspective you are in a prison of some state of realisation, which kind of sounds like you are... (in terms of permanent classical non-returning enlightenment). Most teachers say that. And you dismiss them, because you're not doing what they did/do and you realised something you think they didn't. You actually use Jhana terminology. Infinite Consciousness, Infinite nothingness. So you're kind of talking about the jhanas if you're not only using those words to mean something else. You cannot expect him to be humble about his "achievement" and dismiss him as a fool if you get that it's not useful to be unnecessary humble about it. Otherwise you wouldn't claim to have achieved levels of consciousness higher than buddha or Jesus. I can turn the question around and say: How do you know you're not in the God-trap? How do you know that this incredible God realisation, fascination and attachment is what keeps you from full-blown permanent no-self, with or without being God-realised. I assume you probably spoke to a few mainstream teachers: What came out of those discussions, what did they tell you?

@Leo Gura Hey, everybody points this out to you, but don't take it from newbies like us, take it from Daniel Ingram or other teachers. You are obviously trying to understand reality and succeed pretty well in doing so IMO. You're gonna say that some of the modern Masters haven't had as deep realisations as you, and that might be true, because they are not necessarily into metaphysics and psychedelics. You find yourself in a situation where you compare teachers based on their level of (God) realisation and not traditional eastern enlightenment. Also, enlightened Masters tend to forget how life was having a sense of self, after a while. You're not gonna get good feedback from us, so you should probably keep in touch with other traditions and masters. I hope you're open for teachers making your spiritual assessment. You might be in a trap. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Do you see yourself in what Daniel Ingram wrote here? https://www.mctb.org/mctb2/table-of-contents/part-iii-the-samatha-jhanas/28-the-formless-realms/ Limitations of Concentration Practice Just to drive this point home, an important feature of concentration practices is that they are not liberating in and of themselves. Even the highest of these states ends. The afterglow from them does not last long. Regular life and reality might even seem like an assault when that afterglow has worn off. However, jhana junkies abound in all traditions and even outside traditions, and many have no idea that this is what they have become. I have a friend who has been lost in the formless realms for over twenty years, attaining them again and again in practice, rationalizing that he is doing Dzogchen practice when he is just staying in the fourth through sixth jhanas, and further rationalizing that the last two formless realms are “emptiness”, and that he is enlightened. This story, or a version of it, repeats countless times. It is a true dharma tragedy. Unfortunately, as another good friend of mine rightly pointed out, it is almost impossible to reach such people after a while. They get trapped in temporary attainments so exquisite that they have no idea they are in prison, nor do they take at all kindly to suggestions that this may be so, particularly if their identity has become bound up in their false notion that they are a realized being. Chronic jhana junkies are fairly easy to spot, even though they often imagine that they are not. We are all presumably able to take responsibility for our choices in life, so if people want to be jhana junkies, that’s their choice, and the jhanas clearly beat most things one could become addicted to. However, when people don’t realize that this is what they have become and pretend that what they are doing has anything to do with insight practices, that’s a truly lost opportunity to put those attainments into the service of achieving actual realization and true freedom.

@Schahin What Am I is more fundamental than who am I. "What am I" you sense the senses of selves (multiple) in the Body, and "Who am I" refers to the self-feeding thought loops refering to the sense of self in the body in stories. I've only had one awakening during meditation where everything disappeared except the feeling of my left hand, and the thought occurred "What am I, if there's only "this". and boom paradise (for a while).

Doctor told me to get a blood test but he thinks it's my inner ear. What's fucking me up a little bit is, I am weirded out by some scenes on the TV, like I can't barely look at Dr house scenes when someone is having a seizure or something. Something's changed and I hope it's not a bad thing lol.

I meditated a lot the last few days, and had very good results. However I have increased tinnitus, very sublte vertigo and dizziness when moving or smoking a cigarette. Also My head feels like it's huge and I feel weird. Now I'm gonna go to the doctor if it's not getting better next week, but I thought this could be caused by intense meditation. I feel weird since I went through the dukka nanas. My perception is different, my sleep is totally different and I just don't know if intense Meditation could have those physiological effects.

"Give us ONE mystery and we'll explain the rest" -Scientists

@TheLoneSage @The0Self Not sure about the context. But in abrahamic religions, purgatory is where you go before heaven to purify you. They also tortured "very sinful people" to death, in order to give them a headstart in purgatory, so that they could get to heaven faster. Crazy shit went on during the middle ages. In eastern tradition, "purgatory is purification through pain". Put yourself through an ordeal so you can grow your consciousness. However this is not recommended, because it's unnecessary, brutal and backfires often. I've done some research and physical suffering and stress don't enlighten people, they mainly cause PTSD and other very bad psychiatric issues.

@Nahm I used to distract from emotional pain with physical pain, but this time it was more out of curiosity, to test if equanimity works as good with physical pain as emotional pain.

@machinegun I agree that stage green virtue signaling music can be very cringe.