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I'm on mobile so sorry for the format. I didn't include meditation with psychotherapy and antidepressants, because meditation doesn't happen at the level of mind. Meditation doesn't fix the mind. Please answer that question or tell me if that's your intuition. If suffering shows up in thought, does the mind shut itself down the instant it shows up in order to protect itself from itself? Did 'your mind' (de)condition itself to let go of suffering the instant it shows up? Is there a big "gone" the instant suffering shows up? About the evolution and aliens. Yes, I'm aware that's useless to think about. I just wrote it, to make sense of humans compared to 'other animals'.

@BipolarGrowth But man, don't you get it. Anytime there's progress. One step forward dukkha comes back stronger. One step forward, and then dukkha bites you in the ass. 2 steps backwards. Concentration on objects of awareness --> AnP (finally bliss from God) --> intense meaningless suffering --> equanimity and non-doership. Every cycle of the path gets more intense. Life cycles. Phase of life cycles. Yearly cycles. Monthly cycles. Daily cycles. I am absolutely sure that full enlightenment is no more cycle,or cycles just being instants. Anicca (impermanence) and annata (no-self) also grow stronger with dukkha (suffering). How I define suffering: Suffering is in everything. Just take any object of awareness and tell me there's no suffering in that point of focus. Sufferings little brother is called "aversion" imo. Anything awareness does is pushing awareness away from the object towards itself. That's suffering, and it ends with complete dissociation from any object. The opposite of grasping or attachment. Suffering is not reduced in higher paths. It's equalized. Theres no longer gonna be a big difference between mild discomfort and intense physical suffering. The intensity of suffering that increases, just pushes towards cessation or dissolution anytime it shows up. For what I've heard that's thousands of instances per day of cessation.

@BipolarGrowth I remember infinite consciousness as a 7 year old child. Nothingness when I was 16. (I'm 23 now) All of the vipassana nanas and samata jhanas. Stream entry is a joke compared to the knowledges of suffering. I wish it wasn't. If you want to classify me somewhere, it would be 2nd or 3rd path. What's bringing non-doership and enlightenment to the next level has something to do with suffering outside of formal practice.

@Breakingthewall I feel you man. I would love to hear more about your oersonal suffering. It seems like nobody really talks about it here on this forum because they either only want to talk about the highsz or they don't know what to say about suffering. The few things I've learned about it can be put into a few points. 1. Suffering is not possible to transform/manipulate. It ALWAYS lasts longer than one is willing/ar to endure. 2. Suffering is the non-acceptance of what's occuring. 3. Suffering can't be ignored. It's whats screams. It's the master. It shows what should be avoided by being what it is. It's an existential bond that has a whip and doesn't hesitate to use it. We're basically "slaves of dukka". I will change my name on this forum to slave of dukka.

@Vincent S Yes, that's my point. Suffering is an indicator and not something to be transcended. There's just nothing to be done about it except "listen to it"

@Breakingthewall Unfortunately, that's true, I know that, and suffering is still a big issue for me. I'm sorry for claiming such a thing even though there's still a struggle going on for me. I kind of doubt myself that what I said about the distance between "what is" and "what should be" could be nonsense. However I believe that this still was a valid realisation. Just adding that suffering is what is, and that the mind sees the impermanence of suffering and gradually learns to let go of it the instant it recognises it. Thank you for pointing the hypocrisy of my insights to me. Any dramatic instantaneous reduction in suffering is an insight to me. However I still believe they are valid, even though I tend to forget them, or lose the taste of purification.

@VeganAwake it always points back to some abstract me in the body that has no real substance or another thought, story about a suffering self. Does that type of self inquiry consists of seeing that suffering points to no real/consistent "sufferer"? @Tim R Just think about the explosion of meta-cognition in the human. In theory intelligence could delevop by natural selection. But there was an explosion, that caused the mind to expand for complex and abstract intelligence and communication. This could also be a natural positive reinforcement loop. Intelligence desiring more intelligence, but it didn't happen in the 100 000 other species. Today's explanation is the opposable thumb with the ability to communicate. I don't buy that that's enough. The fact that there is such a flawed existence of duality and original sin, and methods to overcome a conditioned sense of self, points towards an anomaly in humans. For example dogs have been bred to be intelligent, Border-Collies, can develop psychological issues like OCD, and that happened in a few thousand years. Humans manipulated dogs in such a short time. This kind of accelerated evolution is not definite proof of another species manipulation, but it's still extraordinary. The issue is still the "I", I get it. @Carl-Richard As I said, it's an alien mind in a monkey brain. The alien mind needs to find a way to adapt to a monkeys existence.

@TheAlchemist Well of course there's a continuum of suffering. But the only thing you can do about it, is to get away from it with any means necessary. Suffering is there to reduce itself for survival. But then, there's still always gonna be suffering. There's never gonna be a break from suffering in duality. I have yet to find anything (except non-existence and emptiness which are technically not things), that doesn't include suffering. But suffering is like any other thing, discontinuous, wavy frequencies etc. So it's sometimes non-existant. But so is the rest of qualia. You can also train the mind to not graps uncomfortable things, like thoughts, by training it to recognize dukka and allow jyt to back off objects as soon as it recognises suffering in that object. I'm not yet a master at that, but that's usually how thoughts stop during meditation.

@Terell Kirby Good luck with that. I differentiate pain from suffering. Loving pain is possible, suffering not so much. Loving suffering would mean no suffering.

Hey... If you're not on something right now, you might really need to consider antipsychotics to come down to earth again.

@JayySur I've never taken psychedelics (exept high amounts of thc). But if I try, it's gonna be ketamine first.

@Motar Tell us about your insights into no-self, consciousness, mind and suffering!

I'm curious about why some things are so exhausting. Sometimes it feels like the mind runs without at 6000RPM without shifting gears. Just exhausting itself, because it's used to running and doesn't know how to stop. It doesn't matter if there are actual things to solve or not. The mind just does what it's always doing as fast as possible. It seems like it needs to exhaust itself in order for it to stop and rest.

@Motar Wow, congrats. The amount of details you put into it are amazing. Please keep posting regularly. Just for info I'm not taking psychedelics because of weed induced DP/DR, so I haven't really been in your position. A few things: 1. I call that perfection of existence "heaven", for the lack of a better description of the phenomenon. However "nirvana" is something different. 2. Why did you take that second dose? Did the first lose effect, were you curious? Did you feel different? 3. Are you aware of what can (and most often does) happen after (if) the positive effects of awakening fade away? Especially if you have emotional baggage for example. And have you had Awakenings prior to psychedelics? I'm interested in your long term effects. I'm wondering if you're gonna stay in that effortless state. Most time I've spent in it was 24-72hours. That it's been one month for you is already incredible. So please continue keeping us updated.

@Sunmaster14 I don't have real data on this. However there are multiple dimensions to what leads to Awakening. Risk-taking: Men are more prone to taking big risks, including fucking up their psyche with psychedelics. Intuition: women are more Intuitive than men. Men who are ultra-rational are not gonna take too much time doing spirituality. Absolute Hopelessness:(needed for the first level of enlightenment): Women attempt suicide more often but don't succeed at it. So it's hard to say what gender goes through more extreme-hopelessness. Pursue crazy dreams is accepted: Men pursuing crazy stuff, including going to mongolia in a monastery is socially more acceptable than when women do it. Also society want to protect women, in whatever way their culture sees fit. So "No, woman, you're not gonna leave your life behind. Stay here and stay safe" The spectrum: I feel like, similar to the IQ distribution. The distribution of men's traits is way broader than the distribution of women's. I could be wrong though. Bias: We are biased to feel an old enlightened sage is a man. In stories the sage is always a man. That is what's attracting people to enlightenment. And no women really seems like what's told in the stories.

@Blackhawk I believe it isn't coincidence. And if it IS coincidence, how amazing is it that thought is so well synchronised to the outside world that it can manipulate it and predict things intuitively. I'm gonna give you a heads up: the next few weeks you're gonna be very cautious about what stuff you think/dream about. Car crashes with a truck, someone dies, people calling you unexpectedly. But then none of those things happen and you're gonna be glad that you can't (always) predict the future. It's also necessary to watch out for those predictive thoughts, because if you only notice predictions that occur, you're risking to be biased or deluded. I saw it as a little scientific experiment after I predicted something so outside of coincidences.

Damn. It's frustrating. I try to find the assumed location of my mind inside my body. But it's not possible. Because my mind imagines a Body, with a head in which it imagines it's location inside. Where is my mind? Mind differentiate outside and inside, based on a 3D model of reality. And locates itself in a black void in the middle of the 3D-world. Now I feel like my head is really big, my mind just upgraded the size of it's headquarters lmao. Do you have any contemplation tips for Mind? Including it's location.

@Leo GuraGura There's gonna be a time for psychedelics, but it's not for me right now. @Tim R

Nothing makes sense. Nothing can be understood. Not knowing is wisdom.

@wellbranding Sounds like "nothingness". The fear and body are just reactions to the insight. The fear of death is because it feels like dying. Then there's fear of going crazy too. Either 2 things are gonna happen. 1.It dropped off for good. Have fun with your life. 2. It's too weird/crazy and you're gonna want to own or control the nothingness.

@Tyler Durden Yes, but your body is also a philosophical zombie. Nobody is inside of you and nobody is inside of everone else. It's the most terrifying insight you can have. When you have an insight into no-self you'll also realise that there are no other-selves. The perceptual filter encompasses everything.

How do I know that it's still the same me? What if Consciousness was switched and memories were added so that there's consciousness with beliefs about a past? What would be the difference? To be contemplated.

@Mason Riggle You don't even need to go that far, you can just say:"switching wouldn't switch the memories of before the switch" or would it?

@Mason Riggle That's fascinating right?

I'm stuck at that. What's the difference between believing to know and actual knowing. From an epistemological point of view you can say that consciousness IS the first thing. What if the limits of doubt are not truth, but just the limit of human nature? What I could say, contrary to you is that consciousness is more true than mind-models of reality. And that all models of reality cannot be true. But the fact that direct consciousness is primary and mind-stuff is secondary, doesnt mean that consciousness is absolute and mind is relative. It just means that mind isn't true, and no-mind proves that. I would even go as far as saying mind is abstraction that seems real. And no-mind is pure perception, that just proves that the abstraction and reduction has no reality to it. Is it true if I say: "nothing is real and mind just makes you believe there's a spectrum of realenss" Why call it truth, Truth, absolute, relative and make it complicated? I know I am apparently lacking awakenings, but I would like to continue to contemplate metaphysics and epistemology first. Because now, what I can say is: I know that the perceptual filter is not truth. But I wouldn't go as far as saying that no-perceptual-filter equals truth.