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@Dazgwny Not sure about consciousness reincarnating, but DNA definitely has memories. Its not proven that dna contains visual memories, but definitely functional ones, like for example if your mother became afraid of water at a certain point in her life, because of trauma, it condenses the DNA differently, so that you will probably be aversive towards water. Now didn't have a lot of past life regressions, but I remember (like a memory) being my great grandfather or grandfather (not sure) seeing my grandmother and feeling intense love. Maybe I am deluding myself but it felt real. Moreover there are stories of people remembering past lives about people they had nothing to do with. CHILDREN... and it turned out to prove crimes etc.

I am sometimes able to focus on infinite consciousness while meditating atm. However I already perceived it as a child. Mostly while dreaming. There was one time where I sleepwalked with no memories of the sleepwalking, but of the content of the dream and of the infinite consciousness. This wasn't the only time I sleep walked, and I thought that sleepwalking could actually be a waking state of the neither perception or non-perception. Of course I cannot be sure this is linked but I would like to entertain the thought. Or maybe it is the other way around, and sleepwalking condition actually makes the formless more perceivable. What do the scriptures say about that?

I have watched the spiral dynamics videos and I am a big fan of sam harris philosophy. You can argue on the turquoise part of sam harris. But isn't he majority yellow? I have not yet seen One debate he lost. He recognises the mystery of consciousness, and no Blue person has yet won a debate against him. He is a neurologist, which makes him scientific and partly orange, but he also recognizes the difference of assumptions between consciousness as a first and materialism as the first assumption of reality. I haven't seen anyone that's more pure yellow than him. He has had a few spiritual experiences without interpretation (!!!!) Also to claim that he is in the materialist paradigm doesn't mean he puts all his faith into materialism (unlike Rihard dawkins for example who is a radical materialist atheist) IMHO people comparing Sam Harris to Jordan Peterson, Richard dawkins, bill maher, ben shapiro (90%blue 10%orange 0.00001%yellow) is just ridiculous. Can someone link a debate to me that you think he lost? I definitely would love to see him debate an enlightened Mystic, like sadhguru for example. Whats blue and orange about him? He is probably more yellow than Obama who is praised by a lot of people for being yellow.

@TDW1995 Okay I have to be honest, my social anxiety started after getting out of the Dark night of the soul, did some things I regretted while feeling invulnerable thanks to the detachment. For me it was part of ego backlash. Honestly, I believe you should do shadow work, and fear-work. For fear, just imagine the worst case scenario will happen, and BE OKAY with it. Once you are able to be okay with the worst case scenario, you will be FREE from the fear. You can also gradually put yourself in uncomfortable situations. @AwakenedSoul444 Not all medication works for everybody.

@Mongu9719 The difference of no self vs ego self is detachment. Everything is the same except you see things as they are. Reality feels like a dream. I have seen the infinity and nothingness, but not God, so I cannot tell you my perspective on that. Infinity can be really painful. It is what killed my ego. What's the difference between you sober and you high? amplify that by a 20 000, there is no difference except perception.

@Johnny5 Because he is not disproving their arguments by giving only orange arguments, but by showing that he can emphasize their points of view and showing them how they think, and what is wrong, and how you can argue the opposite with the same kind of reasoning. That's not orange that's Yellow. Its insane how good he is at it... @Roy Psychedelics don't make yellow people more yellow was my point. But open the doors to turquoise right... Without radical open mindedness, psychedelics don't change anything. I have been lucky to be open minded enough to question Orange as a 16 year old boy, when I was in the dark night of the soul. That jumps directly to turquoise if you are open minded. There is no ego death -- nothingness -- infinity that leads to planting trees, socialism and social justice. It goes straight up to turquoise questioning reality. Believe me. Yes you are right. I have made up my mind before posting this thread, but I already changed my mind. Went from 100% to 75%. I just watched more interviews being sceptical it tends even more to yellow in my opinion. If he talks 90% moralistic and rational and 10% systematic ethic philosophical problem solving doesn't mean he is more orange than yellow, just that he emphasizes more on Orange as a means to an end. Yellow is his strategy and orange is his marketing. Green people don't care about how to solve a problem that doesn't seem to be a problem in their opinion. He is not criticising because of his arrogance, but as a means to an end. Imagine you had to convince a blind person that his lightbulb at home wasn't working and he didn't believe you. Changing the lightbulb would take 5 seconds. But explaining the problem, for instance that his dog cannot see anything (lets take a funny example hehe), he would need to make him switch the light on, let him feel the broken lightbulb with his hands, until the blind guy realises that the lightbulb doesn't produce heat. This would take more than 90% of his time. That doesn't make him an electrician. Then he can convince him to change the lightbulb. However you need experience with lightbulbs to know that they heat up after a few minutes, so by being an experienced electrician he can put himself in the position of a blind guy and show him that it doesn't heat. So that he can convince the owner to replace the lightbulb. That's what he does with green people. Watch his "interviews"/"debates" that guy is never wrong. He went through every possibility and comes up with perfect responses in an instant. That's why I would love to see him talk to turquoise enlightened gurus.

@Roy 1. Psychedelics don't make you more yellow. They make you turquoise 2, How is he green? Look at his systematic approach to things. Of course he takes empathy into his consideration, but that doesn't make him green. He is in a fight against mainly green...

@Preety_India Okay, that's fine. Depends on the objective... Blue people can do a lot of good for mankind despite their religion. You are not wrong on that, but you are missing the point I am trying to make. Yoghi Bhajan the guy that revolutionised kundalini Yoga, now apparently raped a lot of Women, even though he was enlightened. 100% turquoise and a Devil. Osho, enlightened and 135468435213 rolls royce in his garage. Spiral dynamics is of course a simplistic classifications of the stages of a persons development. Is a blue catholic priest 100% blue even though he experienced infinite love and made an interpretation of it? Is an orange person who loses his sense of self (enlightenment) and lives in the psychiatry still 100% orange if he believes he is just crazy? Of course its not that simple.

@Leo Gura Fine he doesn't emphasize Green, and he doesn't care or talk about it. But he does point out how Greens perceptions of the World about Islam is just full of shit... Islamophobia... Well he is surely putting different religions on a scale from harmless to dangerous. He simply doesn't care about the turquoise pointers of the Qur'an. Islamic people fighting oppression (jihad) are more dangerous than Tibetan monks fighting oppression (self immolation). This point of view can be orange and Yellow. Rationalism: Reason and Materialism is the best way to prove blue people wrong. I don't see how his moralistic arguments are not Yellow. IQ is quantifying intelligence which is orange bullshit. I give you that. Okay now I can see how he is partially orange. He should emphasize more on the solutions to the problems rather than his moralistic approach, to fight the dangers of Green and Islam. Which he actually does, but not enough. I however believe that his rationalistic and moralistic approach to Islam is simply a means to an end. He has yellow solutions on how to prevent those "religious-disasters", but green reporters focus too much on the fact that "people/religions are all the same" and he is losing himself into those senseless debates to prove why he is right, instead of giving the methods right away. Showing that there IS in fact a problem might be the first step before presenting a solution to the problem. People denying that there is a problem stand in his way, that is also his business model....ironically and unfortunately. 1%turquoise 74%yellow 25% orange take it or leave it

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@Preety_India Again I am probably more turquoise than Sam Harris, a lot of people here are in fact. I am arguing for YELLOW. I specifically said that he isn't turquoise.... You are clearly putting turquoise above Yellow... Fine... Not my point, I am talking YELLOW not TURQUOISE. If you believe that Leo is more turquoise than Sadhguru, Dalai Lama, Jesus, than that's your interpretation. Now you can philosophize if more awakenings are more turquoise than a permanent liberation of the ego (enlightenment). Again, not my point. @ryuzaki Which makes Sam Harris Yellow in this aspect and not corrupted by Money. That's also the same reason why Leo doesn't put his spiritual teachings behind a paywall. Money can corrupt Turquoise (cults) and can also corrupt Yellow. Now is Leo orange because he puts his life-purpose-course behind a paywall? Or is it simply sustaining his business? I have bought the course and the booklist. His booklist contains books about spirituality though. So is Leo still orange too? He clearly doesn't want to start a cult. Would he give the booklist for free if some poor guy from a 3rd world country absolutely wanted it? I guess so. Don't abuse this though...

@Leo Gura In a debate there is always someone who has the best points, that's "winning". Systems thinking trumps ideologies. That's basically how he debates orange and blue people. Its about the outcome, if the discussion is about flying to the moon, a blue person would say mohammed flew there with a winged horse, orange would say rockets, green would say rockets, yellow would say rockets, and turquoise would say you can astral travel there and that the moon is just a hallucination like everything else. You said it yourself, you can't give blue or orange people turquoise facts. When Sam talks to blue people, he shows them how their ideology is circular thinking. He is not like Richard dawkins claiming that "science knows that religion is wrong" Truth and consciousness are turquoise and not yellow, I specifically said that he is pure yellow and not turquoise. Awakenings are also turquoise. He at least rationalises that the self is an illusion, no matter if he realised that for himself or not (which technically, would make him just a little turquoise, but that's not the point). What is orange about him except how he explains to blue people how orange materialism debunks their ideologies. There is no chance in the world that he isn't able to put himself in the position of blue and orange people. Every new philosophy students also understands philosophical systems thinking of the mind (I forgot the name of the german philosopher that introduced systems thinking). He as a philosopher also surely understands the dilemma between consciousness creating reality and consciousness only observing reality. There is this famous quote saying "If a tree falls down in a Forrest, does it make a noise if nobody hears it". If he knew it didn't make a noise that would make him turquoise, but he can put himself in that perspective, so that's also yellow. Orange people don't do that kind of philosophy. Again, Who is more pure yellow than Sam, I am not asking who is more turquoise, that would be silly, because I am convinced I am. And how is he orange?

@Preety_India So sadhgurus business is also orange? Sadhguru claims his business is only there to fullfill its job (selling YOGA) His statements are not turquoise. Most gurus don't use turquoise statements. Turquoise statements are for example "everything is a hallucination", "The self is God", "existence is nothingness" Leo Gura uses turquoise statements in his videos about enlightenment. "life is a dream", "The self is an illusion" etc. He is making money from his products fine, Yes that's orange from a simplistic perspective. But that just proves that money corrupts his yellow teachings. Dalai Lama is fully enlightened and still has a fortune of 140 million dollars. I am not saying he is turquoise but YELLOW. Yellow doesn't mean philanthropist or Humble.

@RendHeaven Sadhguru debates orange and blue people. And he is probably the most turquoise public person I know of today. Survival IS yellow AND turquoise. I am calling it a debate, because it is what it is, his point is to share his view, not to win an argument, which people from the entire spectrum do too, from blue to turquoise. Rationality and philosophy can also be yellow, he is a systems thinker. But I get your point, explaining blue and orange things into science (neuroscience). It however doesn't mean he cannot take another viewpoint. Philosophy is Yellow. When he talks about religion he criticises the blue people and not the "finger pointing towards the true nature of the self", he himself believes in the true nature of the self, which is turquoise. A turquoise/yellow person can also be a scientist. Materialism works in the hallucination we are experiencing. rationality works in systems-thinking. What perspective should he have to be more yellow? I believe I am more turquoise than him, but to be able to rationalise things and explain systems as good as he does it is phenomenal. I also believe that it might be easier to be turquoise than yellow. Stupid people with a good guru can be turquoise. Stupid people with intelligent philosophers cannot become yellow. He doesn't debate turquoise people, I would love to see that. feel free to link it to me if you found something.

@Dutch guy It says general anxiety not social anxiety. Of course relaxing the Body while meditating relaxes the mind. But it also increases awareness. So during social interactions (you obviously don't meditate) your notice your fear stronger which fuels the fear in a vicious circle. Believe me, been there done that. Yoga nidra doesn't solve Social anxiety. That's my view on it. If you find the same proof specifically with social anxiety I will shut up. Cold showers and wim hof breathing helped me too, but you know you cant take a shower before every social interaction.

@TDW1995 Was your social anxiety there before Meditation? Because Meditation increases your Awareness of your Body and emotions. For example you realise how much you sweat you blush etc. And being aware of that is a vicious circle of fear realising that you have fear increases your fear which fuels adrenaline which fuels fear. Enlightenment cures your social anxiety, but its like building a nuclear bomb to solve a rat infestation problem in a house. You can do it, but maybe it would be smarter to work on your social anxiety to make your life easier first? Enlightenment is not an escape. If shoots everything up until you surrender to it. If you want to do both, I recommend Shadow work, shadow work helps with social anxiety and it is absolutely necessary for enlightenment. Also, there is nothing wrong with social anxiety therapy or even psychiatric help like medication. If you force awakenings, your fear of people will be replaced by the fear of the nothingness. (Dark night of the soul) It is like quitting smoking by replacing it with heroin. It will work instantly, but the fear of the nothingness is so bad, that you forget about social anxiety. Been there done that. So I recommend: Shadow work, psychiatric help. You can take pills that take away your social anxiety instantly. Don't just take pills, but do the psychological work too. Combining both gives the best results. If you continue meditation, this will increase your growth drastically, your psychiatrist wont believe it. Meditation on Infinity take all your fears away for a while too. It worked for me, but its not the best/fastest way for social anxiety.

@TDW1995 Have you already had small awakenings? If yes, then social anxiety is the first ego backlash the result of the lower self not willing to see the self in other people. It was for me, after the lower self won the dark night of the soul.

Hello, tomorrow I will have my first sensory deprivation tank experience. I plan to meditate before and just prepare myself to let go inside the tank. How can I make the most out of it? I have already meditated on Infinity been through the dark night of the soul and my Kundalini was activated a few weeks ago (dormant now). I would love to have an awakening inside the sensory deprivation tank, because apparently your heartrate slows down and so does your breathing... What if I fall asleep? How can I stay fully awake during the experience?

@Javfly33 Best thing to increase awareness is meditation with concentration. If you are able to maintain the formless this will also increase your awareness, it depends.

Its probably the breath of fire that makes you feel that way. Continue until you feel energy doing weird stuff in your Body, this strange energy awakened my Kundalini. You can also try the Wim Hoff method, its even stronger than the breath of fire.

Hello Guys, I know that some of you (including me) are currently experiencing or starting to experience Kundalini. A lot of people go through Kundalini without any knowledge about it and it is pretty terrifying. There is apparently a lot of misinformation about it on the internet. A lot of people who raise Kundalini go through intense suffering, because they are not prepared and the energy is cleaning them against their WILL, which makes the suffering even worse. Another reason why Leo should do a video about Kundalini is, that a lot of people misinterpret their Energy. A few years ago I had energy shoot up my Spine and I thought that it was Kundalini. I see a lot of people like me who didn't have Kundalini think they had Kundalini. Believe me, even if the snake (the energy feels like a snake slowly crawling up the spine) moves just a little, you will probably feel sick, and high for days. Kundalini is also borderline magic, it can heal you physically AGAINST YOUR WILL. After it rises up you will be in heaven when shakti meets shiva. It can be transferred and channelled from Masters to Students. (What I heard) When they go down the spine afterwards there will be enlightenment. Hindus think Christians call it "Stairway to Heaven" (my new favourite song btw) and replace shakti/shiva with angels. I also believe that Leo doesn't talk a lot about the physical aspects of spirituality, like chakras. Opening and cleaning chakras is kind of easy and heals you mentally and physically to some degree. I have a lot of weird energies in my body who seem to sculp my body, vibrations etc. My Question to you guys: Have you experienced Kundalini Awakening before, or are you in right now? Have you also (like me) misinterpreted the energy shooting up the spine as Kundalini? Would you also like Leo to do a whole video about Kundalini? My Question to @Leo Gura : Are you in a Kundalini Awakening right now? What do you think about it? Is it worth a whole video? Is it possible to become enlightened without the nervous system, is it just a by-product of awakening? Or just a facet of enlightenment?

A few weeks ago I had a realisation Leo told in his videos all the way back for years. It doesn't matter if you take psychedelics or meditate or do self inquiery. I meditated and did self inquery as an ESCAPE from reality, but enlightenment-work is the OPPOSITE of escaping reality. Its basically a tool for facing reality faster. Escaping reality creates attachements to the meditative experiences and to the psychedelic experiences. If that works for you and you already saw some things, while using it as an escape, reality WILL eventually hit you in the face and then you will have no other choice but to face it. The second I decided to counter-intuitively do Self-inquiry on the "soul-pain". Infinity showed up and took away all my fears for a few days. I believe that a lot of you guys are/were in the same situation as me, and turning around in circles because of the fact that we escape from something. That something might be the breakthrough for a spiritual experience.

@Javfly33 Distraction from Pain in contrast to focus on pain. Every time something comes up, I focus on it. It makes a huge difference.

@Javfly33 A distraction from the pain/suffering.

Hello guys, TLDR: Weed put me in the dark night of the soul (infinity, timelessness, nothing seems real (DR), dying sober, nothingness), and I am so terrified of uncontrolled changes in consciousness, that I am not able to take small doses of psychedelics/weed and anxious about Kundalini changes in perception too. How can you guys help me overcome this? I am somehow experiencing infinity since I am a child, maybe because of genetics. Mystics would say I was a mystic in previous lives. I don't know if it shows up once I am suffering, because I experience it during fever at night, and was somehow trapped in it as a child, even after waking up. My mother of course didn't understand what was bad about a random neutral dream with infinity. I am not conceptualising infinity, because I experienced it shortly before my Kundalini got activated this year during meditation. Without suffering this time for the first time. That's when I realised that its not the first time I experience infinity. When I was 16 (I am 21 now) I didn't feel that good because I felt the infinity and wanted to ground myself with a cigarette and decided to smoke a blunt (weed) instead. What followed was a panic attack with lots of weird energies in my Body, time standing still and this lasted for hours. The following 6 months was some Dark night horror. I was sober and died every day(evening). nothing felt real, and I believe the feeling of "I am nothing and people are just flesh-robots, there is no perceiver" is called the nothingness? That of course led to a existential crisis, and I am to this day trying to make sense out of it. The video "factettes of awakening" made me realise that I wasn't just wishfully trying to explain it as ego death, but it is actually more than one awakening at once. Weed alone didn't put me in there, so I don't think you guys should take weed and hope for formless things to come up. My best theory is that I felt the infinity before, and not having concentrations skills, the incredible fear gave me the focus necessary to concentrate. Now I can not take more than 3 puffs of weed because of the fear of the nothingness coming up, and wouldn't even imagine stronger psychedelics. I realised all the fears I had were based on the psychotic fears I developed from the "awakening". I was also really shaking and afraid the moment Kundalini started rising once I realised I couldn't control it. I am not afraid of the physical "pain" from Kundalini, but from the psychotic Dark Night shit that might come up. I tried to just smoke a little weed every day, like a few puffs, but I stopped once fear started to rise. Some medication that makes me high is also making me anxious. Benzos and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors don't though. I have to face my fear of the dark night and I believe that you guys can help me do it. If I don't face that fear other fears will come up and in the end I will still have to face it. Note that if I end up high and panic a little, this will be counter-productive and probably trigger my Kundalini. So facing the fear head on might not be the best idea, but would put me right back into the dark night of the soul until I entirely give up. I heard that most people don't have hallucinations from weed, but I do have visual and acoustic hallucinations from it. Long before the dark night. My stoner friends would just say: Man don't think about your psychosis and listen to some music, it s all in your head. I would be eternally grateful if someone could just write down that miracle solution I have been waiting for years. Keep in mind, I want to face that fear and not run away from it like I did the last few years. If it is possible without going through some infinite-timeless-nightmare that would be great.