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You need hard training to keep up Kundalini, I cannot speak for 5Meo DMT because I never took it. I awakened my Kundalini once, by accident, but couldn't manage to do it again. There was also a lot of fear. Shakti pat is only the seed for kundalini, you need to be able to keep it up at all times. Awakened Kundalini isn't enlightenment. An awakening alone isn't enlightenment either... It needs to be permanent

All day Mindfullness meditation. I would like to meditate all day long to replace my nicotine habit. I don't really like the labelling in leos/shinzens mindfulness practice, but I definitely want something with Self inquiry and concentration. I imagined focussing on distinct things once in a while and not letting that focus go. physical sensations, my senses, visual thoughts, "the voice" thoughts, emotions etc. I also want to function in everyday life, so not doing nothing, because that's kind an issue for me right now. My Goal is to have a practice I do without interruption, that leads me to be conscious all day, increase concentration/mindfulness so it becomes automatic and I do it without consciously having to remind myself to start that mindfulness practice. In a sense I want to be the permanent observer of what is happening. Being conscious of the breath all day long might also be an option? I'm open to all suggestions.

@ardacigin So you are describing mindfulness for every object that comes up, and especially focusing on joy and love etc. Maintaining the focus on every object that comes up? But mainly using positive emotions as something to keep up as much as possible?

@ardacigin So you are describing mindfulness for every object that comes up, and especially focusing on joy and love etc. Maintaining the focus on every object that comes up? But mainly using positive emotions as something to keep up as much as possible?

@Leo Gura If everybody was the same, that would be true. I am psychotically conscious, if I am not obsessively focussing on something that is useful, I am obsessively focussing on things that aren't usefull at all, and identifying as those things. I am also not a newbie, I have perceived the nothingness and samadhis without decades of training. So just suppose I am advanced enough for advanced techniques. Never took psychedelics and I don't want to in the near future because of my psychotic nature. Currently I am doing Shinzeng Youngs do nothing technique during the day: whenever the intention to control things come up I give up that intention. So I am sure I would be able to accomplish the easy kind of meditation throughout the day. I would also say that I am too conscious of things, and whenever I notice too much, it drives me crazy. So how can I meditate whenever I have too much brain RAM available.

All day Mindfullness(?) meditation. I would like to meditate all day long to replace my nicotine habit? I don't really like the labelling in leos/shinzens mindfulness practice, but I definitely want something with Self inquiry and concentration. I imagined focussing on distinct things once in a while and not letting that focus go. physical sensations, my senses, visual thoughts, "the voice" thoughts, emotions etc. My Goal is to have a practice I do without interruption, that leads me to be conscious all day, increase concentration/mindfulness so it becomes automatic and I do it without consciously having to remind myself to start that mindfulness practice. Being conscious of the breath all day long might also be an option?

If you are strong into visualizations, I have found something that has worked for me. Note that I already experienced ego death, nothingness and infinity without psychedelics and visualisation, however its worth a try. Keeping it simple: First you need to visualise a story, best is to say everything you see out loud. You start somewhere go up a stairway to the soul etc. etc. Once you are deep into your story, fall down into the darkness until you don't fall anymore, imagine being in the darkness in space (no stars, just darkness/room). Then question that darkness/room, until you realise that there are no directions, no movements, "look around" until you realise there is no around, no up, no down, no left, no right. Then look at your Body and realise there is no Body. You can do this for a few minutes. Really feel the mind fuck of that paradox, try to move, look around etc. even though its pointless. FEEL THE INFINITE ROOM. Most important part is, once you start to feel "something", try to become the room. fill the entirety of the infinite room with your sense of self. Your are probably going to feel the infinity, don't focus on that. There is no possibility to grab infinity with your attention. just fill, feel and become the room. If your heart starts pounding, congratulations. Try this and tell me if it works for you.

@Chakra Lion I am just going to meditate on it until I experience ego death while meditating on it again, then there should be understanding, because right now it is not really a life-changing thing, Its not even close to be as crazy as the nothingness either.

There is nothing wrong with the messiah complex, Leo knows how cults work and doesn't intend to start one. I doubt that Leo would go down the rabbit hole of messiah complex.

@Leo Gura I am interested in what is the difference between, every part of the awakening I have experienced and God. I felt the nothingness, the all-aloneness, the absence of an external reality, life being a dream, but it was more like being trapped into it and not creating it. The absence of love might have played a role into this, but I doubt that being trapped in all what I have listed with or without love would give me the impression of God creating it. I also experience infinite consciousness once in a while. It is not possible to communicate it, and I wasn't fully into it either, but I am somehow not able to make the link between infinite consciousness while meditating and what is supposed to be God experiencing itself. Or maybe there is just not more to it, and if I had known what mystics called god back then, I would have called that God? Might just be a word thing though. I am definitely missing something for "GOD" (love for sure), and I am sure there are other things to experience.

@StripedGiraffe Ego death and nothingness doesn't end consciousness or awareness. This sounds like you had a glimpse at the nothingness. However I it literally feels like dying... nothingness doesn't mean there is no awareness or consciousness, you might be referring to the state of neither perception or non-perception. Infinity, time standing still, no-thing-ness, reality being an illusion, the self being an illusion, other people being just like me: "meat robots without a self", no difference between a dream and the waking state, Seeing things as they are, time not existing, realisation that nothing outside of my awareness exists, seeing reality without filter is what I experienced by dying (sober). It also felt like I changed perspective, from the one of an ant to a giant, everything was HUUUGE. Not disproportionate, everything was the same, but just the perspective of it changed. The infinity always came first, I would love to say that. You seem to be pretty okay with it and not terrified of it. The most painful experience I had with the ego death was the realisation, that I am all alone. That's the fucking worst existential fucking pain I could experience. I was told that this pain was the pain that led God felt as he divided himself. I am telling you this, because sober this was a hard pill to swallow, so don't freak out once you experience this after dying.

@legendary Well they are too closed minded to see that they themselves would benefit if everybody indiscriminately got healthcare. A political revolution doesn't necessarily destabilises the economy. Moreover this will take a very long time to implement. @Vladz0r Yes I agree, they probably choose comfort over "radical" changes, even though the obvious corruption of some systems is terrible.

I heard that you americans, if infected, have to pay yourself for the quarantine to keep OTHER people safe from you. What do you think will happen to people who don't have healthcare and suspect they have the corona virus? "Lets get a 400 000 USD debt to keep other people safe from me"? I predict that in some parts of the US this will be an enormous clusterfuck if the COVID-19 cure doesn't appear soon. Cutting funds for the CDC and not giving poor people "free" healthcare leads to evil (ego). Lets pay health care so people don't commit crimes and destruction because they cant afford basic healthcare, and there will be less needs for prisons too. In some sense if the libertarians don't want to pay for healthcare and other social programs, they will pay in prisons or with their life. Elevating social programs and raising taxes will IMO help the rich.

@Dazgwny Not sure about consciousness reincarnating, but DNA definitely has memories. Its not proven that dna contains visual memories, but definitely functional ones, like for example if your mother became afraid of water at a certain point in her life, because of trauma, it condenses the DNA differently, so that you will probably be aversive towards water. Now didn't have a lot of past life regressions, but I remember (like a memory) being my great grandfather or grandfather (not sure) seeing my grandmother and feeling intense love. Maybe I am deluding myself but it felt real. Moreover there are stories of people remembering past lives about people they had nothing to do with. CHILDREN... and it turned out to prove crimes etc.

I am sometimes able to focus on infinite consciousness while meditating atm. However I already perceived it as a child. Mostly while dreaming. There was one time where I sleepwalked with no memories of the sleepwalking, but of the content of the dream and of the infinite consciousness. This wasn't the only time I sleep walked, and I thought that sleepwalking could actually be a waking state of the neither perception or non-perception. Of course I cannot be sure this is linked but I would like to entertain the thought. Or maybe it is the other way around, and sleepwalking condition actually makes the formless more perceivable. What do the scriptures say about that?

I have watched the spiral dynamics videos and I am a big fan of sam harris philosophy. You can argue on the turquoise part of sam harris. But isn't he majority yellow? I have not yet seen One debate he lost. He recognises the mystery of consciousness, and no Blue person has yet won a debate against him. He is a neurologist, which makes him scientific and partly orange, but he also recognizes the difference of assumptions between consciousness as a first and materialism as the first assumption of reality. I haven't seen anyone that's more pure yellow than him. He has had a few spiritual experiences without interpretation (!!!!) Also to claim that he is in the materialist paradigm doesn't mean he puts all his faith into materialism (unlike Rihard dawkins for example who is a radical materialist atheist) IMHO people comparing Sam Harris to Jordan Peterson, Richard dawkins, bill maher, ben shapiro (90%blue 10%orange 0.00001%yellow) is just ridiculous. Can someone link a debate to me that you think he lost? I definitely would love to see him debate an enlightened Mystic, like sadhguru for example. Whats blue and orange about him? He is probably more yellow than Obama who is praised by a lot of people for being yellow.

@TDW1995 Okay I have to be honest, my social anxiety started after getting out of the Dark night of the soul, did some things I regretted while feeling invulnerable thanks to the detachment. For me it was part of ego backlash. Honestly, I believe you should do shadow work, and fear-work. For fear, just imagine the worst case scenario will happen, and BE OKAY with it. Once you are able to be okay with the worst case scenario, you will be FREE from the fear. You can also gradually put yourself in uncomfortable situations. @AwakenedSoul444 Not all medication works for everybody.

@Mongu9719 The difference of no self vs ego self is detachment. Everything is the same except you see things as they are. Reality feels like a dream. I have seen the infinity and nothingness, but not God, so I cannot tell you my perspective on that. Infinity can be really painful. It is what killed my ego. What's the difference between you sober and you high? amplify that by a 20 000, there is no difference except perception.

@Johnny5 Because he is not disproving their arguments by giving only orange arguments, but by showing that he can emphasize their points of view and showing them how they think, and what is wrong, and how you can argue the opposite with the same kind of reasoning. That's not orange that's Yellow. Its insane how good he is at it... @Roy Psychedelics don't make yellow people more yellow was my point. But open the doors to turquoise right... Without radical open mindedness, psychedelics don't change anything. I have been lucky to be open minded enough to question Orange as a 16 year old boy, when I was in the dark night of the soul. That jumps directly to turquoise if you are open minded. There is no ego death -- nothingness -- infinity that leads to planting trees, socialism and social justice. It goes straight up to turquoise questioning reality. Believe me. Yes you are right. I have made up my mind before posting this thread, but I already changed my mind. Went from 100% to 75%. I just watched more interviews being sceptical it tends even more to yellow in my opinion. If he talks 90% moralistic and rational and 10% systematic ethic philosophical problem solving doesn't mean he is more orange than yellow, just that he emphasizes more on Orange as a means to an end. Yellow is his strategy and orange is his marketing. Green people don't care about how to solve a problem that doesn't seem to be a problem in their opinion. He is not criticising because of his arrogance, but as a means to an end. Imagine you had to convince a blind person that his lightbulb at home wasn't working and he didn't believe you. Changing the lightbulb would take 5 seconds. But explaining the problem, for instance that his dog cannot see anything (lets take a funny example hehe), he would need to make him switch the light on, let him feel the broken lightbulb with his hands, until the blind guy realises that the lightbulb doesn't produce heat. This would take more than 90% of his time. That doesn't make him an electrician. Then he can convince him to change the lightbulb. However you need experience with lightbulbs to know that they heat up after a few minutes, so by being an experienced electrician he can put himself in the position of a blind guy and show him that it doesn't heat. So that he can convince the owner to replace the lightbulb. That's what he does with green people. Watch his "interviews"/"debates" that guy is never wrong. He went through every possibility and comes up with perfect responses in an instant. That's why I would love to see him talk to turquoise enlightened gurus.

@Roy 1. Psychedelics don't make you more yellow. They make you turquoise 2, How is he green? Look at his systematic approach to things. Of course he takes empathy into his consideration, but that doesn't make him green. He is in a fight against mainly green...

@Preety_India Okay, that's fine. Depends on the objective... Blue people can do a lot of good for mankind despite their religion. You are not wrong on that, but you are missing the point I am trying to make. Yoghi Bhajan the guy that revolutionised kundalini Yoga, now apparently raped a lot of Women, even though he was enlightened. 100% turquoise and a Devil. Osho, enlightened and 135468435213 rolls royce in his garage. Spiral dynamics is of course a simplistic classifications of the stages of a persons development. Is a blue catholic priest 100% blue even though he experienced infinite love and made an interpretation of it? Is an orange person who loses his sense of self (enlightenment) and lives in the psychiatry still 100% orange if he believes he is just crazy? Of course its not that simple.

@Leo Gura Fine he doesn't emphasize Green, and he doesn't care or talk about it. But he does point out how Greens perceptions of the World about Islam is just full of shit... Islamophobia... Well he is surely putting different religions on a scale from harmless to dangerous. He simply doesn't care about the turquoise pointers of the Qur'an. Islamic people fighting oppression (jihad) are more dangerous than Tibetan monks fighting oppression (self immolation). This point of view can be orange and Yellow. Rationalism: Reason and Materialism is the best way to prove blue people wrong. I don't see how his moralistic arguments are not Yellow. IQ is quantifying intelligence which is orange bullshit. I give you that. Okay now I can see how he is partially orange. He should emphasize more on the solutions to the problems rather than his moralistic approach, to fight the dangers of Green and Islam. Which he actually does, but not enough. I however believe that his rationalistic and moralistic approach to Islam is simply a means to an end. He has yellow solutions on how to prevent those "religious-disasters", but green reporters focus too much on the fact that "people/religions are all the same" and he is losing himself into those senseless debates to prove why he is right, instead of giving the methods right away. Showing that there IS in fact a problem might be the first step before presenting a solution to the problem. People denying that there is a problem stand in his way, that is also his business model....ironically and unfortunately. 1%turquoise 74%yellow 25% orange take it or leave it

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@Preety_India Again I am probably more turquoise than Sam Harris, a lot of people here are in fact. I am arguing for YELLOW. I specifically said that he isn't turquoise.... You are clearly putting turquoise above Yellow... Fine... Not my point, I am talking YELLOW not TURQUOISE. If you believe that Leo is more turquoise than Sadhguru, Dalai Lama, Jesus, than that's your interpretation. Now you can philosophize if more awakenings are more turquoise than a permanent liberation of the ego (enlightenment). Again, not my point. @ryuzaki Which makes Sam Harris Yellow in this aspect and not corrupted by Money. That's also the same reason why Leo doesn't put his spiritual teachings behind a paywall. Money can corrupt Turquoise (cults) and can also corrupt Yellow. Now is Leo orange because he puts his life-purpose-course behind a paywall? Or is it simply sustaining his business? I have bought the course and the booklist. His booklist contains books about spirituality though. So is Leo still orange too? He clearly doesn't want to start a cult. Would he give the booklist for free if some poor guy from a 3rd world country absolutely wanted it? I guess so. Don't abuse this though...

@Leo Gura In a debate there is always someone who has the best points, that's "winning". Systems thinking trumps ideologies. That's basically how he debates orange and blue people. Its about the outcome, if the discussion is about flying to the moon, a blue person would say mohammed flew there with a winged horse, orange would say rockets, green would say rockets, yellow would say rockets, and turquoise would say you can astral travel there and that the moon is just a hallucination like everything else. You said it yourself, you can't give blue or orange people turquoise facts. When Sam talks to blue people, he shows them how their ideology is circular thinking. He is not like Richard dawkins claiming that "science knows that religion is wrong" Truth and consciousness are turquoise and not yellow, I specifically said that he is pure yellow and not turquoise. Awakenings are also turquoise. He at least rationalises that the self is an illusion, no matter if he realised that for himself or not (which technically, would make him just a little turquoise, but that's not the point). What is orange about him except how he explains to blue people how orange materialism debunks their ideologies. There is no chance in the world that he isn't able to put himself in the position of blue and orange people. Every new philosophy students also understands philosophical systems thinking of the mind (I forgot the name of the german philosopher that introduced systems thinking). He as a philosopher also surely understands the dilemma between consciousness creating reality and consciousness only observing reality. There is this famous quote saying "If a tree falls down in a Forrest, does it make a noise if nobody hears it". If he knew it didn't make a noise that would make him turquoise, but he can put himself in that perspective, so that's also yellow. Orange people don't do that kind of philosophy. Again, Who is more pure yellow than Sam, I am not asking who is more turquoise, that would be silly, because I am convinced I am. And how is he orange?