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No it isn't, just the ideas we have about death are imaginary. There's a difference between saying death is imaginary or "death is beyond our imagination". Eternity may be beyond time, and death might be beyond life, but one day life will end in some way. That's what orange and upwards refers to as death. Even if the ideas about it don't reflect reality, it still is going to happen. The IDEAS about it are imaginary, but death itself is not imo. What do you define as imaginary. @WaveInTheOcean I will go through mahasamadi once I am old and have no desire to live anymore. I guess that once I am able to reach it, it's probably okay to do it. I've been through "eternity+suffering", I don't think that it leads anywhere. I would have to do my research, but I still have about 50 years to do so.

@Flim I'm lucky I found his channel!

@herghly Well Curt is obviously the most qualified for such an interview atm. 5 hours with Rupert Spira and the 5 hours were really insightful. The biggest problem is that it's impossible to communicate everything in a few hours. Curt is very intensively concentrated for hours and asks questions I didn't even know I had. Rupert said it perfectly. Curt made him aware of things he didn't know he subconsciously believed, because of his ways of asking questions. 5 hours aren't enough, but it's a good start. Watch it,you'll see how revolutionary those conversations are.

@Leo Gura Did you contact Curt? Can we gope to see you on that podcast one day? I'm already excited!

Watch shinzen Young's videos on dpdr on youtube. It's basically the experience of nothingness. God without love. He explains it. He also tells you how to get out of it. Love the tranquility to death or reconstruct a false sense of self.

@Slifon dark night of the soul used to refere to DP/DR. So don't do research into that because you won't find good sources. People refer to dark night as a struggle or depression, which is not the same at all. What you describe is the dissatisfaction every ego faces once in a while. If it gets too bad, get therapy. If you are only looking for answers continue seeking.

@diamondpenguin joe rogan is the perfect stereotype of some drunk average guy at the bar who asks normie questions about a given subject. Not very practical but entertaining.

@Someone here You forget that you have unconscious beliefs you didn't know you have. Even if a part of you knows that you can never know, another part of your mind still conditioned to believe certain things. Contemplation uncovers those underlying beliefs. Just to list some of my subconscious beliefs: -I have to be truthful -The outside world is dangerous -Alcohol hurts me badly -People have the same ways of thinking, reasoning and feeling as me.

Hey, I got the Johnson vaccine 2 days ago and had a little bit of fever and a very bad headache. (Still worth it though, not antivaxx). I was in my bed and couldn't sleep. What happened is I got so much carried away by the pain and suffering, that I just have no choice but to surrender, that type of surrender is impossible under normal circumstances or self-inflicting discomfort, because there's always a way out. I then as usual realised that everything happens on it's own, but my ego, afraid of eternity then pulled me back by adding a layer, forcefully thinking. As a child when I was really sick I already experienced eternity and infinity, it was horrible. Horrible because eternity + suffering = hell. Do you guys have an idea how to surrender "that much" without having to be in 'unbearable' pain? Also, my ego is in control 24/7. I'm not sure if every non-enlightened person does that, but I am rarely in a state of flow and my attention is 24/7 on the false self. Except when driving then it's a little better. I have experienced identifying as the higher self and everything happens on it's own a few times, I need to find a way to feel myself into it during the day. Does anyone has a method to do that? Best thing I found yet is shinzen Young's unified mindfulness practice. No psychedelics please.

I also notice that often when I am in thought or in flow, I stop to put my attention on the lower self instead of continuing to do stuff. Wtf is wrong with me.

Because men are more like autists. Women are more intuitive. The big bang is an relativist, autist, simplistic explanation for everything in existence. What women feel and can't articulate is that energy exploding into existence is too much reductionism for accepting it as an explanation for everything thst exists. Only in the west people who are scientifically minded explain things in terms of another. It's the backlash from religion. In india and the east they haven't had that backlash yet. It's easier to see the problem if we can count the turtles. But if we csn see 100000 turtles all the way down, we are just going to refer to the last turtle carrying the earth (big bang). Leo said it best: "the better the model the bigger the problem".

The answer to the biggest question might be realising the absurdity that occurs right after questioning the question. What is the why?

@Natasha China is going to take taiwan like by infiltrating their politics step by step. Russia just recently backed down from ukraine. Why would they do it now.

@Leo Gura Okay, I get what you're saying. What we are doing by funding it is just accelerating the process of progess in Qatar. So the deaths are necessary for progress and either it happens fast or slow, but the damage stays the same. However Qatar has the highest GDP per capita In the world and has the worst unequality of all. More infrastructure and progress isn't going to make progress in that region. Every western country gives a shit about labor workers, and they ALL have less money for security than Qatar. So why make the worldcup in a country that is clearly owned by regressive ideological oligarchy. Do it in france. Do it in the US, russia or even china. We just fund a small group of people that clearly don't have the same value as we do. Do we want the richest people that clearly don't give a shit to have even more power? No, and that's reason enough to boycott them.

@Leo Gura Yes I get it, but it's entertainment. The math doesn't add up, it's like 10 people a day are dying for 3 years, for the world cup to happen in rich middle eastern countries. We wilk have 3 months of entertainment for that. It's completely unnecessary. Fuck Qatar. China would protect it's slave labors better than Quatar. A lot of people don't buy nestle products because african workers have to live in poverty. Just compare it with annual US work related deaths per capita. The difference is insane. Fifa, the apparent non-profit has no reason to cause that much damage for the world cup to take place in Qatar. I guess some people got paid a good amount of untraceable money.

@Leo Gura well what about the 10 000 workers that died building infrastructure. That's 3 times the casualties of 9/11. Hidden under the rug. However there's no escaping the worldcup in EU. You should see what happens during public viewings... Beer is raining during goals. Incredible moments. I just hope some big players will boycott it. Conscience vs culture.

@RMQualtrough YES, cessation and dissolution comes with a partial or total loss of memory, but nothingness doesn't, you're literally awake in the dream. Its not like being asleep or under anesthesia, you're fully there in eternity. That's the peace you're missing. You remember it also, there's no loss in memory. The key thing is you can't differentiate the waking stste from the dream state. That's the experience needed to realise that reality is not distinguishable from a dream. Which is 100% nonduality. No edging. I have no experience with psychedelics, so I couldn't tell you, I also don't advise taking psychedelics. Just know that cessation and dissolution is TOTALLY different from nothingness. There's more to "IT"

@RMQualtrough have you experienced the nothingness? Dissolution or cessation is very different imo.

Ok, I get what you're saying. We are not the layers of the onion, whe are the dream/structure of the onion. If you think you can only edge nonduality but not enter it, then you haven't had a real full glimpse yet. Because once you are there there's just nothingness, the dream, divinity or oneness. You can be in 100% nonduality. I have had glimpses of it and I guarantee it. Ask enlightened people, they are going to tell you, you're all the way IT. Even the glimpses show you that it's no edge its IT. There no closeness or approximation to it. You can be full INTO it. It's absolute, I can't communicate it, it's absolute. Once you're close, merge with it, let it fill everything, surrender to it or whatever your spiritual practice tells you. I promise, ask enlightened people (I'm not I just had glimpses of a part of "IT")

@RMQualtrough That's why, confronted with questions that ask towards things in thst direction, zen masters just answer "Mu", because no words can describe it. Why use words to describe the meta-experience if words or communication is part of the dream. You see how senseless that is? A lot of people here, including me, get what you're saying because we have experienced IT. But that's like explaining color to people who have eyes and expecting blind people to have an idea. But the map is not the territory. It only makes sense if you have experienced it. Which means that only those who know it, get what you say. If you say you can't experience it,you only confuse those who havent awoken (had an experience of it) yet. In fact: something is happening, you transcend reality, and there's nothing wrong with calling it an "experience" or a change in perception, because from the dreaming self, that's what it is. Saying these things is going to confuse people who havent got it, and people who have been through it will translate it into concepts. So why bother

I'm an alcoholic. Take my word. I am kind of spiritually lucky. Experienced nothingness with 16 and remember infinity during feaver when I was a child. I drink 2-3 liters of beer every day. Even when you're sober you cannot meditate. You need abstinance to have your maximum level of concentration/consciousness. Alcohol makes you depressed. When you're drunk you can't be conscious, and thd day(s) after you're drunk you can't be conscious or meditate. Of course it depends on the quantity. But this only damages your "progress" tremendously. I have an EEG at home I can show you the difference in brainwaves when I am drunk, when I drank the day before and when I am sober for a few days. The difference is ENORMOUS. So take my advice alcohol will not bring you 1 millimeter further, in fact it will bring you miles away from consciousness. It's ridiculous how big of an impact it makes. If you need further proof I can document it with my EEG and my personal experience. But until I find the motivation to do it, you'll just have to trust me when I say that for enlightenment/awakening, alcohol is the biggest hindrance possible (unless you take other drugs I haven't tried)

Why make it so complicated. Just call it an experience even though there is no experienceR. Is a change in perception not an experience? I kind of get what you're pointing to, but it probably doesn't help those who haven't had a significant awakening yet. Nothingness transcends time. So there's no going in and out because the dream structure transcends the dream time and dream causality. However, from the subjective perspective the dream starts and the dream ends once you're back into the dream. Knowing that you're dreaming transcends the content of a dream but it still happens within a dream. You know that you know within a dream. So it's still something you go through within the dream. You can't lucid dream without a dream. Call it a meta experience then... I don't mean to attack your hypothesis of god, but this is more confusing than useful. It's describing the moon instead of pointing the finger towards the moon. I also don't like refering to awakening as God, because people have misconstrued God and have underlying ideas about her. (I say "her" deliberately misleading to confuse people so that they get that God doesn't have any attributes [like gender].)

@Giulio Bevilacqua Don't worry man, most of us go through that. First time is most terrifying until you realise that you're not gonna act different or do stupid things. Your natural self is perfect. The fear is there because you feel like you lose control. 1. You never had control, now you simply get it. 2. You're not going to do anything stupid or dangerous, because fear is there to protect you. If you feel ready for it, do the little thought experiment. "Why don't you insult one of your friends, if there's nobody controling, what keeps you from doing that?" Because your natural empathy that's always present doesn't want to hurt anyone. There doesn't need to be someone controling it. What keeps you from hurting yourself? FEAR! You're afraid because you don't trust yourself, but the fact that fear is present prooves the absurdity of needing to be afraid of "it" because it's only reason to exist is to protect you. So once you freak out, just feel into the fact that your higher self protects you with fear. It should cancel itself out. Moreover, ego will come back, probably tommorow, and then you'll integrate the experience, and then it will go back again, this time with no fear at all. Maybe just mild confusion, and then ego comes back again and again. I loved reading your post because it reminded me of my first wu wei terror haha. You're going to want wu wei back once you lose it. And once it comes back you're going to be in heaven (on earth) literally. There's no possibility of fear in heaven, because everything is simply perfect. Then ego comes back, but with knowledge.

Thanks to you guys,I managed to go through the nauseous cloudy feeling in my Body! Awakening? Okay, so I mentioned that sometimes when I am close to awakening this rotten feeling of discomfort comes through my Body, and I always used to stop when it occured and then felt bad about it. Today I went through with it. I just let it expand and noticed the fear and feeling of unease expecting an awakening or some kind of mystical experience, my heart started pounding and then: nothing happened. I expected some fireworks at the end of going through that thing I struggled with for months, but nothing at all, my heart calmed down and I just continued meditating. Then after my meditation app stopped I sat there for a while, eyes closed, and I don't entirely remember what happened (even though it was 10 minutes ago). But the darkness in front of my eyes became white and I was kind of absorbed into that "loud silence" After a few minutes I opened my eyes and was really confused looking around the room, I got a little bit nervous and then my normal sense of self returned. No bliss, no dream-awakening, no pleasure, no pain, no nothingness. What is that "experience" I went through? I did self-inquiry followed by 20 minutes breath-concentration practice. How am I supposed to classify it, if I cannot remember it correctly? Is that cessation? A jhana? A seizure (I hope not lol)?

@Godishere It's just like: it doesn't matter. You don't expect children to behave like adults, but you also shouldn't expect adults to always behave like adults. I also must say, I have a kind of superiority complex when it comes to anger, jealousy, blaming, complaining etc. I view it as immature childish egoic behavior.