Endangered-EGO

I'm trying to make the case for why you should never, ever take psychedelics. I speak from my own experience, I have just recently discovered that I have "schizotypal personality disorder". If you would like to know truth, you have an inclination to want to know stuff 'correctly' and experience so called "truth" or to get out of the matrix etc., continue reading: 1. Why do you want that? -Because you suspect that there is more to reality than what you were told. -Because you already had glimpses that make you want to go further. 2. Why shouldn't you do it? -Because of suffering: It's pretty simple, you either open the gate to heaven or to hell. If you do it with regular practice, you can always back out and change direction. If you take psychedelics, you open the gate to either heaven or hell. 3. If you want more because life is shit, it might be hell that's awaiting you. 4. Psychedelics can make you schizophrenic or psychotic. -"Oh but that's just under the materialist paradigm, sane people who take psychedelics, without risk of developing psychosis can take it, it's only people that are at risk that shouldn't take it". NO. NO. NO. That's not true. It's schizophrenia-russian-roulette. Before you develop schizophrenia, you don't know if you can develop schizophrenia. If you're at risk, you don't know it. And if you have schizophrenia or psychosis, the thing that defines it is NOT REALISING THAT YOU HAVE IT. If you have it, you don't know you have it. 5. Oh but that's just the materialist paradigm, identifying and grouping symptoms and saying you're crazy, because you're neurodivergent. That's true, psychology and DSM-5 are just grouping symptoms that are common for certain types of extreme. Materialists and Psychologists/Psychiatrists don't know "Truth". However I have spent 3 years studying psychology, have had the exam on personality disorders and was blind to my symptoms corresponding exactly to "schizotypal personality disorder". I don't disprove the claim that psychology is wrong and spirituality is right. However what I can guarantee, is that SUFFERING occurs with those disorders. If you get close or into the schizophrenia spectrum, you're gonna suffer. You're gonna suffer really bad. Because you're going to believe every shit you're mind can imagine. 6. Realisation into the nature of consciousness isn't liberation. If you're not already liberated from the ego. If you don't already know that you're consciousness and only consciousness, than you're not ready for nothingness. 7. "Once I go through the dark night of the soul I'll know truth and then it's going to be over. I'll be enlightened." BULLSHIT. That's not true. I have been nothingness by accident, I didn't even take psychedelics, I just had a panic attack on too much weed. I have been through nothingness, eternity, dream-reality and countless other awakenings for 6 months straight. Every day ego death. It was painful, but apparently it wasn't the worst part. Afterwards I had years of bad bad social anxiety, general anxiety, paranoia, depression, anhedonia. And I'm not exaggerating when I say I couldn't understand why I suffered 1000times more than other people on a regular basis. 8. Suffering is just imaginary/illusion of the ego. It's not important. It isn't. I don't want to give bad ideas to people that are convinced that suffering isn't "real". It might be illusory from the absolute, but not imaginary. 9. Liberation isn't enlightenment: That's it. Get liberated. Liberation is easier to achieve sober, because it's gradually stopping suffering. If you get more than you can take, God's going to metaphorically rape you until you give up everything because you can no longer take it. That's not the way. That's not what you want. 10. "So what, I want enlightenment more than anything else. It doesn't matter if it goes through hell and suffering and psychosis." Okay good. so if suffering doesn't matter, it shouldn't take more than 2 weeks of strong determination sitting. You eat once a day, you sit in perfect lotus 3 times a day for 7 hours at once without moving. (Move your muscles in between so you don't get thrombosis). I have heard of people doing that for decades. Having no bed, just sitting all the time. So it's possible. The only good thing is: you can always stop doing it if suffering gets too bad. Get voluntarily raped by God until you can no longer take God's dick (metaphorically). Don't go down a pointless rabbit hole of suffering. I speak from personal experience when I say that no awakening is worth the suffering. Liberation is real, however glimpses of the nature of reality/consciousness don't guarantee a reduction of suffering! "I don't know anyone who got enlightened from psychedelics, but I know some people that got psychosis from it" -Shunyamurti. "No amount of objects of consciousness can lead you to know who you are" - Rupert Spira. "Meeh, I prefered the sober awakening because I was much more grounded" -Adyashanti. "I'm going to prove to you that I am an alien: ' hong kong, hong kong, hong kong, beijing beijing beijing, weep weep weep, korea, nosik nosik nosik, ouijikimininini, canada, canada, canadacake. eyfrey toray DVD toray. Deee Deeee Deeee' " - Connor Murphy

@Shmurda Here's the non-esoterical answer: "Kundalini awakening" is very intense orgasmic sensation slowly crawling up the spine like a snake. Usually it goes up 10cm and then waits a bit, and then it gradually goes up or stays, or goes up and down again etc. People in esoteric circles call everything Kundalini, but if everything is, then nothing is. If you want to awake it, then wait for a piercing sensation onthe base of your spine to show up during meditation. If you put your concentration on it once it shows up (if it shows up). The snake might rise up. At least that's how it went for me.

@Godishere I think the same way, ramana maharshi probably never tried to heal himself. Sasaki roshi knew that he was going to die at 107yo. And stopped teaching 2 years before his death. What's more to it than being aligned with god's will. I guess God can heal, but god doesn't want to. However I'm open minded, maybe my mind will change.

@Leo Gura I'm not saying I don't believe you or that it's delusional. But people, me included, are going to need more than that. You just need to be able to do it. Then you don't need to explain it.

@Leo Gura How can you be sure about it? Have you witnessed siddhis, or have you been told by people you know that they have witnessed them? I always hear about people claiming siddhis are possible and some claim they have them or witnessed them, but eventuelly they are just deluded, so I'm curious. Being confronted with it, they blame it on "I didn't feel your energy because it was so weak at that particular moment".

And psychedelics put you in DP/DR or right away into the nothingness without residual separation? Isn't there spiritual practice needed to realise nonduality before going into dissociative states? I'm not sure about you, but when I had DP/DR, I didn't have separation, because thoughts were as empty as the rest of reality. The suffering was ego death, fighting the change of perception that's occurring. DP/DR also wasn't that much suffering, the suffering came months/years after not experiencing any dissociations anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zIKQCwDXsA

@OBEler I'm not sure it's always going to stay that good. @Nahm In psychedelics? I would take them after a deeper state of liberation. @Inliytened1 Good point, of course, but I'm not going to risk more suffering. I know how to meditate, as long as there is progress I won't take psychedelics. maybe micro doses, who knows.

@Breakingthewall I'm aware of that, research is currently being done with ketamine. Let's see how this is going to work out. That's exactly how it happens man... Do you know what defines you have psychosis/schizophrenia? You don't know you have it. That's the trap of a psychotic delusion. The "something else" can be very subtle too. DP/DR is Nothingness. Go ask a psychiatrist. When I say "spiritual enlightenment is a predisposition" I mean: "If you go to a psychiatrist and tell him about your awakenings, your no-self etc. He's gonna write down 'predisposition for schizophrenia'". The problem is: How do you differentiate spiritual beliefs and magical beliefs? magical beliefs are a symptom on the schizophrenia spectrum. If you want to do an experiment, just go to a psychiatrist and tell him, that reality is a big hallucination, that time doesn't exist, that the universe gives you signs, and synchronicities brought you there. That you believe in miracles, and that consciousness creates reality as in a solipsistic dream universe. "Oh but the materialist psychiatrist doesn't understand reality" - you're going to say. Just as predisposed people are not going to think that there is something slightly off, they are going to think that it's a spiritual transformation, or spiritual wisdom/intuition. I'm just making the case for why it's a bad idea, you already heard the good things. @Farnaby at least denial is better than a full blown psychotic delusion like connor murphy.

@OBEler Psychiatry is clear that people who have psychosis shouldn't take psychedelics. I guess she still has psychosis today. However I'm glad she's doing fine. @Thought Art Fortunately, I don't suffer as much as I used to. But I didn't have a lot of fun, post-awakening. @impulse9 That's what I mean, psychedelics don't seem to liberate, in the sense that they would reduce suffering.

@lmfao Then don't uncover it with force (psychedelics). I am aware of that. But you cannot always know that you have already existing predispositions for psychosis. If you have a sober awakening, or a "change in perception" or DP/DR, or no sense of self. Guess what: That's a big big predisposition for psychosis. Spiritual enlightenment is a predisposition for psychosis. Something wrong with your brain is a predisposition. Being open minded enough to believe in spiritual enlightenment, may count as magical beliefs. You either need to suffer a lot, or be at least a little crazy to get into spiritual enlightenment. I would love to know how many people here are on the schizophrenia spectrum. The point is: There's no way to know if you have a predisposition, it's most of the time only recognised in retrospect.

@Leo Gura It's different in a sense, that you can always stop hardcore spiritual practice any second. I know that some people react pretty well to psychedelics, but you're just going to know if it works after going through it. If you're unlucky the damage has been done. What's the point of taking psychedelics if you risk to suffer MORE afterwards? Well some zen temples used to start with making the young students feel miserable, so that they never forget how bad and ugly life can get. There's really dark shit going on in spiritual circles. Connor isn't really even the worst case scenario, there are people who took only one psychedelic and developed very ugly forms of psychotic delusions/schizophrenia, believing they are in hell and the devil tries to trick them. A good thing for the psychedelic scene would be to find a way to reverse the side effects when things go south, because that's what meditation teachers do, when students can't handle awakenings. The collateral damage is way higher in the psychedelics scene. You wouldn't want to create more broken people than enlightened people. Kundalini Yoga is probably the spiritual practice that breaks most people. A woman once asked in a forum how to look into the sun without hurting her eyes. The stronger the practice, the bigger the risks, the more casualties will occur.

@Danioover9000 It's like schizophrenia without believing the xrazy thoughts entirely and without hallucinations. Just google schizotypal DSM-T symptoms. You'll need 5/9. @RendHeaven You have no idea. Don't you believe personal experience? Oh thank you, I forgot I just need 'maturity'. I'm just gonna wait until I have some. The stove is strong determination sitting. Taking psychedelics is not knowing what the liquid is, while throwing a lighter in a pool of potential gasoline. Go ask on dp/dr forums how nice life is since they have experienced nothingness.

I have yet to see a person spontaneously experiencing nothingness saying: "oh well it's not that bad"

@Ilan Well, being able to survive huge amounts of psychedelics is not a gift in terms of enlightenment. A gift would be not do need a single dose. Being born as Jesus for instance. My point is not only that it's dangerous. It's also pointless for liberation. I would be okay if psychedelics were meant for people who already transcended suffering. Nobody is ready for nothingness. You die, everybody dies. God laughs at you:"Oh you thought this was real? It's a dream!". If I should find a word for it I would call it:" metaphysical existential eternal pain".

@Ilan I know, that's why I wrote it. The reason I don't teach people is because I think: "Am I so sure this is right, that I would tell my mother to do this stuff?" Would you guys recommend your mother/daughter to take 5-MeO-DMT knowing what can happen?

Leo talked about a positive reinforcement loop about satisfaction intensifying. The most important information is, Once you have reached access concentration in meditation, you need to put your concentration on pleasure, to enter the jhanas. It's necessary to max out concentration with pleasure) going through the jhanas to inquire reality with that intense concentration. I'm not really an expert in jhanas, but they are incredible and definitely worth giving it a try.

No, you're not a conscious agent. You're the consciousness of the thought being a conscious agent. No, you're not. You're the consciousness of the thought of being consciousness of the thought being a conscious agent. No, you're not. You're the consciousness of the thought of being consciousness of the thought of being consciousness of the thought being a conscious agent. Sorry, I felt I needed to post that strange-loopy meta-thinking about oneself anecdote.

@Consilience thank you.

@Leo Gura I absolutely hate his manners, but you have received the same criticism from your communitybefore, about solipsism, being in control of reality and healing/miracles. Some of us had the solipsism reality, however this isn't practical in this matrix. I don't know anybody who could heal themselve. You said it yourself. The moat enlightened person ramana maharahi died from cancer and didn't or couldn't do anything about it. In your video after your 30days 5meodmt retreat you said it's possible to create reality as you want and that healing and miracles are possible. You need to ejther own up to it, or correct what you said. You partially did that, saying: only the higher self can chose. But that means if the higher self doesn't want to, it won't happen, which is not different to mere realism with probability. Adeptus can't or won't articulate it like that. To me it seems like you both are projecting and borderline gaslighting each other. Don't feed adeptus trolling, directly correct what you said or soecify what you mean so it makes sense to your subscribers. I feel like you kind of indirectly hint that you've been a little bit off. But you never directly said:"I was wrong concerning this and this and this". You never corrected yourself, Ecen though you yourself said you were wring sometimes. Please be more clear about it. I would have pushed you to have a live confrontation with adeptus if he wasn't such a troll, and I am glad that you're willing to have a conversation with Curt Jaimungal. I would advise you to clarify or take back some things you say, and be honest about what happened. Just so people see, that your interpretation is not absolute truth. You say to control it with direct experience, but that's not enough imo.

@Consilience Do you have online ressources. Furthest I went was 4th.

@Kindle Jhanas are basically steps of meditation. You focus on breath, then on pleasure, then you have a cosmic orgasm, then equanimity, and then you get to experience nothingness infinity existence and non existence. In THAT state you have the strongest concentration possible. Now, if you ask the question "what is reality/Who am I" you'll get an answer (It's a metaphorical description of course) It's basically self inquiry with 100000 times more power.

That's not how you get people out of bubbles. Try ridiculing mohammed in front of a muslim, do you think he's going to change his mind? Or just hate you more? Ridicule Trump in front of his supporters. It's just alienation...

He has valid criticism, he's just being unpolite, edgy and demeaning about it. Probably for entertainment purposes. This guy beliefs Leo is afraid to be confronted by him, even though Leo is going to be in an interview with Curt Jaimungal. Ridiculous.

What's the ilness?

Nonono. You're the consciousness of those paragraphs! I'm getting childish now sorry. Last reply We both get what we are saying ?