Endangered-EGO

I'm going to put it as simple as possible: I look at my hand, and it becomes "alien". The visual perception of my hand isn't an extension of myself or my body, just an alien thing happening. What can I do once my visual perception of my hand isn't in reference with any thought or concept or feeling or anything else. When it's just the happening of a weird field of "something"? Clarification: -With alien I basically mean "weird", "unfamiliar" "confusing", "empty". I don't mean extraterrestrial or extradimensional. -It's also not ego death or dying or merging with the visual field or anything spectacular. I could just watch my left hand for hours. (somehow it works better with the left one than the right one, don't ask me why). I think about a few things: 1. Look of theres anything else left that I don't notice. 2.Analyse the weirdness of the experience. 3. Conscioulsy switch between it being weird and it being associated with me again. I'm going to do all of those things because I'm curious of that weirdness, but what would you intuitively tell me to do. What's the next step when I am into that weird "experience"? No psychedelics for now. To be able to be in that "state" I needed to surrender to everything the last 2 days. I don't know if that plays a role. It definitely had an effect on me.

@The0Self ok so the things that come up after the experience.

@Nahm I feel like you have some intuition about it.

@KennedyCarter I'm vaping and smoking. Don't convince yourself that this is preventing you from spirituality. It's only a mild inconvenience. It's like you can still build muscle if you vape. But stopping vaping will not build muscles. You need to work out first. If you want to optimise it 5%, you need to stop vaping. But the 5% (let's say) from stopping vaping can only be gained if you do the basics right.

@jdharvey6 experiment with various methods/paths towards enlightenment and find the one that corresponds to you best. You will need to experiment. Watch Leo's videos on enlightenment. Look into self inquiry and vipassana. Mindfullness. Shinzen Young, Peter Ralston, Adyashanti, sam harris, ramana maharshi. Are IMO more focused towards enlightenment. Eckhart Tolle, Rupert Spira and other lot's of others are more focused towards the liberation side of enlightenment. You need to listen to what they say, do their methods, be confused, listen again, try it again and still be confused. Also ask people on the lath you chose for help and guidance, this will prevent your from being lost in your mind about theory and if you do it right etc.

TLDW: Enlightenment happens during the dying process you enlighten before you die of old age. (And other paranormal phenomena too.) So I guess the good part of a slowly dying of old age is you'll get one last spiritual awakening.

@Goldzilla No institution invented death. And no institution invented the pandemic. You also have a relative life, that had a beginning and an end. Never seen someone die? What makes you think your ego-self will never go through that?

@Goldzilla I never said this was the only way of awakening. Just that awakening has a natural tendency to occur, the longer you're alive. Yes ageing is natural.

Your question doesn't make sense. When you dream about being a dog, why do you have a tail and why does it wag when you're happy?

@universe Zen story time: Student:" Master, How long will it take for me to get enlightened?" Master:" About 10 years" Student:"Oh that's very long, what if I work towards it twice as much as possible?" Master:"... 20 years then."

@Blackhawk Well, I imagine that people who die young and quickly have no time to transcend the ego. That's why I specifically said "old people slowly dying of old age." But then I guess that some of them don't get NDE's either. Who knows why...

I don't feel any different

@ZeN I'm curious, try to raise my LOC. And tell me how high you raised it, I'm going to tell you how different I feel afterwards.

@ZeN I'm not sure if this was your doing or mine, but my energy flowed right into the spot/vertebrae that had a problem. I doubt that this small amount of prana will be sufficient but let's give it a few days. 670could is really accurate for today. Other days it's usually lower. How do you perceive that and how do you heal? Every time I tried I was aligned with "God's will", which stated" "it's all right".

@ZeN Let's give this a try! Just heal my Body on the left side. Don't raise my LOC. But if you want to speculate feel free to tell me what you did, and how high/low my LOC is. I don't consent to anything that is not aligned with love.

Yes, well I have an other example. I had never meditated or anything and had a full blown awakening, while eating. Eternity, nothingness, no self, no external world, this is a dream. I needed 6 months to "make sense of it" and what happened was I ended up saying. It was a change in perception that made me FEEL LIKE I was in a dream and FELT LIKE it was more true than anything else. The external world SEEMED like it didn't exist and SEEMED like a dream. Basically I integrated a real intense awakening into the materialist paradigm. Fortunately now I know that materiakism is just ONE paradigm, and not the best one for changes in perception/awakenings. Intuitive knowledge doesn't need paradigms I guess.

@Thought Art As far as most mindfullness teachers explain it: it's about the awareness of the absolute 0. Its recognising where everything comes from and where everything goes to. Shinzen Young said: It happens to everyone thousands of times a day, the difference is being conscious of it happening or not. Cessation, dissolution (bhanga) nothingness. It's all about that "0". I don't believe that what you mentioned (beliefs intentions etc.) play a role at all, because it happens through every culture with some people never having heard of spiritual practice, and it's a natural process. Apparently there's a correlation between no-self and age. That's why old people tend to enjoy having children in their presence because, post-egoic and pre-egoic stages are more about love than egoic people who are "serious" and "worried" all the time. Sorry I went on a tangent.

@Goldzilla "Baby Jesus is going to come with a million dollars cash" -Matt Kahn. You made me think of that quote

@Leo Gura neo advaida like Rupert spira and Eckhart tolle? However I believe they focus on the liberation aspect of spirituality. Which is the exact opposite from most awakening-seekers.

@Leo Gura I had a joint venture with 2 people in ecommerce. I was exploited and scammed Long story short: They ended up continuing without me after our first big success, just so they could continue growing with the value I added without my 25% part of it. Here are the things that were suspicious all along: 1. Never sharing too much information, or access to their programmed "technologies". Exagerating (10fold) the values of their assets. 2. Controling everything I did, as if I was an employee and not a partner. 3. Being pushed a little bit outside of the main strategy. 4. Always wanting to reinvest the money we got. 5. Playing with numbers so I would get as little money as possible. I always had to correct them, and they found excuses for why they miscalculated it "that way". 6. Listening to me, but me not being able to veto big decisions. 7. I brought in a new big-fish partner, and they quickly isolated me from him. Directly hiding information from me. 8. Isolating me from group calls with the new partner, and telling me they would talk about different things. 9. Not allowing me to talk to our employees. 10. Blaming me for a big loss we had, and then gaslighting me, trying to manipulate me into thinking I didn't want to be a partner anymore. 11. Making me do "data-entry" work for which I was obviously overqualified at that point. 12. Ending the partnership after having put up all the necessary automation for the Project. To keep my 25% for themselves. I got some my part of the money from the websites that were still running, but couldn't use the technology to create more, so I couldn't work with them anymore or be their competition. Eventually a few months later they failed because they had no idea what they were doing, and blamed each other for it. I had a big burnout at that point, couldn't work anymore, drank a lot and got paranoid. I needed to do a alcohol rehab because I drank excessively every day for months.

@lmfao There are antipsychotic medications that help with that. Have you been diagnosed with psychosis or schizophrenia? I'm not sure these episodes will bring you any form of spiritual awakening. I have talked to someone who has the concentration and understanding of a buddhist monk, but needs to take antipsychotics to function, and because the hallucinations and psychosis lead absolutely nowhere. Nothing wrong with it.

@The0Self Let's assume you're right. What about the snake crawling up the spine, causing physical symptoms, intense heat and jerks. Does it occur during the 2nd jhana or not? Why not? And what's the difference between your Kundalini in 2nd Jhana and what I refer to as Kundalini awakening with the snake. How does that fit?

@The0Self I had that same energy shooting up the entire Body as if it was an explosion of bliss (rapture) shooting up the chimney (my Body) when going from Access concentration into the first Jhana. I also used to call that "Kundalini Awakening", but it's a different "kind" of energy. You can call that energy, like every other energy, Kundalini. However the first Jhana bliss explosion in the Body, is a very distinct experience from an actual Kundalini awakening. It feels different, moves differently, lasts longer and has actual physical symptoms, like kryias (involuntary movements) and intense changes in perception that lasts for weeks, that can even lead to psychosis. Concerning the 2nd Jhana, I thought that the rapture from the first jhana changed to "emotional bliss". I don't practice Jhanas anymore because I lack prana and concentration atm.

@The0Self What is? Kundalini, kundalini activation or Kundakini awakening. It's one of the most confusing aspects of Spirituality. Kundalini awakening is the big big thing, to put it simply. Life energy is Kundalini, but Kundalini awakening is more than just energy flowing through the body. It's a very specific kind if orgasmic intense orgasmic tingling slowly crawling up the spine. If you don't have it you aren't through it. I've had energy in my entire Body, mild energy foing up the spine and the Kundalini snake going up. Believe me, there is a huge difference, and you'll know when it happens. You'll fear what's going to happen when the snake goes up. Fair enough it's only a difference in intensity between prana and Kundalini going up the spine, but it's orders of magnitude different. One's a sensation and the other one is an orgasm thatasts for weeks, that grounds you in the now, keeps you from sleeping and make you think you're going crazy. I've fortunately had very mild symptoms, but you should talk to people that ended up in psychiatry after Kundalini. It's imo the most intense form of practice before psychedelics (those can also awaken your Kundalini btw). The issue with K. Awakening is, everybody (me included) use(d) to talk about every Body sensation as a form lf Kundalini, but Kundalini AWAKENING is more than just energy moving in the Body. It's a nuclear reactor (Metaphorically). Fortunately I've had someone who told me that I was wrong, when I thought I already experienced it. Now I know and now I'm telling you all of that.

@Thought Art This makes me doubt that it actually was kundalini awakening. Energy is not necessarily Kundalini awakening. When I do Wim Hoff breathing I also have a strong tingling in my entire body. Which might be refered to as energy/prana/Kundalini, but a kundalini awakening is different. You need the snake to crawl up your spine, or else you don't realise the intensity of what's possible. That awakening terrifies you, because you end up without control of anything, sometimes DP/DR, and in bad cases very bad psychosis and schizophrenia. Involuntary movements, perceived loss of memory, feeling high are a few examples of mild symptoms.