TheSelf

Leave the body? Leave to where? And wouldn't you ask that person that what are you inside the body you are about to leave lol? It's ridiculous.

Good, next time don't do any meditation since it won't get you to the heart of the Reality I'm taking about, instead realize that you are meditation in your nature! Even if you see this once in your experience, you cannot unsee it EVER!

What's absence of limitations in your direct experience? Like can you point to it somewhere in your experience and say it's you, "absence of limitations"? Where did you get this idea of reality? Actually experience or no experience, awareness is always is, free, pure, self-conscious. How can you say that it's not reality while it's in your direct experience moment to moment to verify? Can there be anything without consciousness or awareness? Obviously not, so it's real, the only thing whih is real and is always true no matter what states of ego you are currently experiencing, that's why we call it Reality with capital R. I'm talking about a realization of the truth in your direct experience so shocking in which a big massive shift happens in your experience and your understanding of what you truly are in your direct experience, forget about visions or ideas or anything mentally constructed about what it could be.

Then simply tell me what you are, and how did you realize it. Forget about understanding, being it in action is necessary and will help you. You are trying to go past the truth (go deeper as you said) without even fully realizing it first, this is my impression from your posts, and I told you who you truly are are beyond the mind, psychedelic experiences is an experience and happens in the realm of the mind, good or bad doesn't matter, its just not deeper, nothing can be superior or have more depths than Awarness or reality itself.

I have tried to help you understand that there's a difference between true realization in action which will create a massive space between you and the mind and all these spiritual believes about what you think you might be, Trust me once you see it, you can never unsee it again, you might be lost but the light of the Awarness will always be there to help you.

Bro!!! at some point you should really throw all these spiritual mumbo jumbo out of the window, I have a feeling that you are lost in these, The truth is very simple, being lost in concepts and theories is the work of mind. Well simply because you haven't realized this in action yet. Forget about whatever you think you are, thoughts are obstacle in this work, put in some work and 'be' it by realizing it.

It's actually hard to understand when you are still quite identified with your mind and heavily into spiritual concepts and theories, effort is needed here until you see yourself as effortless awareness to what is, then he will get it easily.

I'm talking about a realization in which you see your true nature as meditation, not something you do or achieve, states belong to ego, reality is beyond it.

After this? Theres no after this! When you drop the identifications with the mind then you just remain as you are, Did you have any experience with it? How one can possibly go through these, see the mind, their experience for what it actually is drop it and realize their true self as Awarness beyond the mind, still be interested to pursue anything further? And what that could be that would be superior or deeper than Awarness or reality itself? So I'm asking you to see that the mind can only be interested to have fun pursuing mysticism, God, spiritual practices etc, when the identification drops or atleast weakens, All these spiritual egoic desires will be lost too.

Myself, my being. The mind looks for complexity and avoid the simple truth cause that's how it can survive the burning rays of it. The eye doesn't appear or disappear, It's always there, you don't cease to exist in sleep or any other states. I don't have such quality, I cannot open or close myself, I can only be myself, and be free. See, the mind looks for understanding, learning, thinking, contemplating etc, cause as long as these mental activities are there it survives the truth, you don't have to identify yourself with it, I-Awareness really don't care about anything but to be myself like I always been, I'm free from anything you think I should care or look for, but the ego wants to understand everything cause it's the way it survives, if it calms down then it merges back to it's source, me.

@James123 but you see you've been always you, you can't change nor be less or more than what you've always been.

@Breakingthewall Enlightenment is not just empty mind, though less thoughts coud be consequence of that, though it doesn't matter, a lot of people could less verbal thinking kind of mind almost silent but they suffer and have no clue about their true nature, therefore not enlightened. Enlightenment is when you see you are the eye to witness everything. The very sun itself, you shine and things could apear before you, in your light.

@James123 dont you feel like the body moves itself? or talking speaking happens but you don't feel like your are in charge of it, it just happens on its own, or basically any activity is done you dont feel you are the doer, you are just so free from anything and it's really really amazing and liberating.

@James123 what's enlightenment but recognition of that continuious unchanging choiceless awarness as yourself that lights the egoic states. But the work is not done yet when recognized, sticking to the contious background awareness is key to not fall asleep again, something "I" overlook and suffered immensely from the past one year. Specially in the past two days I just wanted to die and I did I died again today and awareness came to the forground once again and suffering stopped to some great degrees duo to hightened state of consciousness.

So I met a girl in a social group, we were seeing each other for like a month a few times per week, Eventually I pulled the trigger and asked her out, we've had some time together to get to know each other, and I asked her out for a date, It went very good, lots of laughs and so much to talk about (but no physical intimacy like touching or kissing), she told me she really really like me, but its been just a month that she's out of a past relationship... So I asked if she's interested to have multiple more dates, she agreed, After the date she changed her tone in chat to more of an emotional 🤔 But after just a week (I didn't see her the whole week) when she was back from a trip, she told me again that she's not ready for another rel since she's not recovered from past rel and lets not continue dating but she really wants me to have me as a friend in her life, She told me in a way that I sensed like she's asking me to wait for her 🤔 I told her that It would be challenging for me to manage my emotions for her and it doesn't work like that for me so I cannot be her friend, and then I told her that I'd better for me if I'm not gonna be in touch with her anymore... So I'm wondering and confused why she came for a date if she's not ready!!! So did I make a good decision to move on? I really miss her

I thought about this and came to conclusion that this uncertainty in her mind was my job to fix. Maybe I'm developing a bit too manipulative believes or view on this I don't know. But the difference between being ready or not was just a thought, i couldn't manage to let her inner emotions about me rise high enough to help her overcome uncertainties or negative thoughts she had about pursuing a new relationship. I'm still understanding it so maybe I'm wrong or maybe not.

@DefinitelyNotARobot you make a lot of sense to me, I appreciate you sharing all this man, thank you!

Well, you might be right also, btw I'm not feeling guilty or whatsoever But I'm just developing different view on this as I'm growing in my dating life and trying to understand better how women works She is just a girl, if she thought she were ready and at some point later felt different, it's my responsibility, not hers How she feels around me is hundred percent my responsibility, As a guy I should've make specific strategic moves to manage everything better. Im just learning here, I don't have any negative feelings at all.

@DefinitelyNotARobot so I'm just thinking about what you and @NoSelfSelfsaid and analysing the whole scenario Maybe i just acted too logical here, as Leo said, girls are girls, often illogical and confused, Im thinking that maybe whatever happened between us it was all my responsibility, if I was just acted a little different, removed the seriousness of the situation it could've gone differently right?

@Dodointeresting, you could be controlling their responses but since you were dreaming, you couldn't know! Otherwise the dream would've collapsed!

Damn, this was good, haha, any other ideas like this? Very interesting

Yeah, I guess I just have to move on, still not sure, but it was a good experience and learned bunch of stuff.

@DefinitelyNotARobot interesting, I gotta admit that what you described is not me yet, It's still quite shocking for me how illogical girls can be but I'm learning my lessons with every experience and working on myself to understand them better and deeper.

Good reminder! 👍🏻

@Leo Gura if I just keep ignoring her or giving her very little attention, wouldn't she lose interest in me and get cold over the course of time? If I were her I'd definitely go date someone else when I'm ready and not that person whom ignored me for like months! 🤔 It's a bit tricky actually, yes