TheSelf

Yes I understand, I've got a very good imagination too, but facing these fears should be in some moderate ways, on psychedelics specially shrooms it's very very bad idea, since on high doses you literally lose your mind, and the experience of the hell will be real AF! Those dark entities in the hell realm (or everywhere else) are always in hunt for negative energies and so they fed on fears to survive, imagine how fearfull you can get on high doses of psychedelics and how badly they can fuck with you on that sate with that powerful channel of the fears that you've created and so they can connect with you. Always remember that, fear is the channel that they can connect with you. The more fearful you become, the more they'll have power over you.

I guess the best thing you can do if you are really interested to explore some of the hell realm is if you can astral travel here ( just sending a portion of your consciousness there and get back with some informations) The worst thing would be astral project to the hell realm or go there on psychedelics (this is even worst, much worst than AP duo to ways these substances fuck with your mind specially shrooms)

Yes, but you won't even remember what you are how and why you came here once you find yourself in the middle of that realm, I think you need to prepare yourself to forget about everything including all your realizations, and be ready to experience the hell in it's darkest dungeons infinity can imagine for you ( it can get infinitely dark and bloody ;)) also remember that there's no time so you'll be there for eternity.

Very promising for 5 minutes of the intro! Thanks for sharing, I'll definitely going to have some cool experiences with it ?

@Someone here also even in the waking state, you don't constantly say I'm, I'm, I'm, to be, you just naturally are, meaning your existence doesn't depend on the contents of your mind. So it should be so clear that mind is just a tool or an instrument that we have and nothing more than that.

Bro, We can't continue our discussion if you really deny your own existence in two other states. Just because there's no mind in the other states in your hand that doesn't mean you become non-existence. Definitely you are there in all states! But in each state with its own different unique experience. Don't be identified with your mind, be identified with that pure presence in all states, you are that, that pure awareness, knowingness, to witness all that it's imagining in the natural three states.

When you finally realize that real meditation is not a 'doing' but resting in awareness.

you literally experience these every night. that's why you are here to talk about what it is that you experience, so there's no lack of experience or unconscious experience. we are talking about our every night experiences exactly because these states are in our experiences, otherwise we were unable to talk about it. if you are not there then how you are able to explain your experiences of the other states?: See you yourself admit that you are there in these states, but when I described these experiences as just different experiences than waking states, to you it sounded like I'm playing with words. just because you don't have the analyzing instrument (Mind) in your hand in the other states that doesn't mean you become non-existence!

"Lack of experience" or "no conscious experience" is still a experience that you can experience right? Notice that still you must be there to experience all these experiences. And during the experiences either deep sleep or dream state, you never say that you're experiencing being unconscious. You only say something like that in the waking state. If you were "unconscious" or gone during the dream state, then who is witnessing dream?

@Someone here Ok, can you say that you're literally gone or become none existence in deep sleep until you reach dream state? I can't say that because I'm also able to explain my experience of deep sleep like you, so definitely I'm there.

You don't lose consciousness in deep sleep that's nonsense. If you could lose consciousness in deep sleep then how come you later in the waking state are able to explain how you experienced it? You must be there to be able to come back and tell us your story as being "unconscious" right?

Did God tell you that you have to do anything about This? abide in your natural state of being (thought-free) then that which also seeks liberation vanishes. because all thoughts are made up of you (pure awareness), illusions only work when you forget who you truly are.

Yes ? BTW The tricks and projections are very very subtle, one really needs to spend time to notice them one by one with full attention and cultivate high level self-awareness, but again you awareness are subtlest of all, so as long as one has one eye to monitor the inner world also there's no way tricks would work.

Awarness is the changless reality, Take a look at these paintings: Imagine the first painting is like deep sleep and the second painting is waking state. So tell me guys, is the paper ( awarness) which is art and the artist more self-aware in the second painting? The way the artist paint himself cannot change a damn thing about himself which is pure awareness and is self-aware ALL THE TIME.

Isn't it better to stay as who you really are? Ego is the consequence of identifications with thoughts and not a second entity inside us! Why can't you just not be identified and just be? ?

One will get close more and more to the source once one decides to surrender his gifted intellect (ego-mind), but it's a very challenging and would be a slow process, eventually one will live in his heart instead of his mind.

You only want to meditate either for sake of calmness, or you are practising something that requires being in the trance state of mind.

Again you need to be there in those states to later come and describe your experience right? How can you not be in those states and then later be able describe those states? you can only describe your experience of the deep sleep as being unaware in the waking state, so in relation to waking state, we consider deep sleep as being unaware, but do we say we are unaware in the deep sleep too? Imagine you awarness could access a state different from your current state which you could also experience being 10 people all at once, when you change your state and switch to one person are you now less you? Did this switch change any fact about awarness? No, the way awarness paint himself changed, the dream changed, awarness didn't change. how awarness dream or paint himself cannot affect him. So from Awarness POV, there's no state which awarness can switch to and experience and can become literally unaware(an impossible change to reality, by the way, awarness paint himself) or less or more aware. Reality is unchangeable, otherwise it couldn't be reality.

Yes, you need to be there to be able to tell us your story as being unaware. Awarness can also experience being unaware if he wants to, but in reality there's no such thing for awarness to be literally unaware, it's just impossible, you are AWARE all the time.

No Never again after my sober awakening with meditation and self-inquiry and other concentration practices I did before the awakening, everything shifted to some high degrees from a state of ever suffering and depression because of thought process to being in the Now aware of everything (the self or awareness is always in the now aware of everything! either you realize it or not, your realization of it depends on what you identify yourself with), kind of shifted to open awareness, there's still some thoughts which arise from time to time, but very very minor thoughts and have zero power over me. and all sufferings one was experiencing before the awakening completely ended. either sitting in silence or watching a movie or any other actions the stillness of mind is always there! but does it matter really? either am "I" experiencing these or not you can never experience me , so it don't matter really. No, but I know how a person with a still mind experience life. if one is still highly identified with his ego-mind, its hard to understand how one can just sit and enjoy doing nothing. Ramana Maharshi lived his life really that simple. do you enjoy meditation or not? don't imagine these limits on yourself, you as the self are not identical to your ego-mind's false imaginary self. You can easily let go of the thought process and enjoy the present moment all the time, it just requires certain practices. Yes of course. Yes, thoughts will arise but with zero identification and power over you. which is simply like experience of hearing a sound. you see thoughts at what it is really, you don't make any meaning out of the thought's content. it's freedom from thoughts. Yes if your mind loses it's power over you with the practices. there's degrees to this. I'm not enlightened, but in my current state I cant imagine how Ramana Maharshi could experience boredom really, the mind simply transcends so these experiences who belong to ego-self will also be transcended too.

Ahh not really, what is that? lol Even those who had "actual" near death experience caused by any accidents or whatsoever who returned after, their body was still in operative state to some degrees and was not stopped working completely. even if it was stopped working completely the body was still there and not annihilated. are you bunch of flesh and bone or beyond that? because you can die and everyone consider you dead while your body still have it's normal functioning, blood still flowing normally in veins, body alive "you" dead!

See, you still talking about an ego-self in that being, I assumed one transcended one's ego-mind and removed identifications to some great degrees in his "sober awakening". so, huge reduction in the thought process and automatically being in the present moment all the time would be the consequence of such awakening. I'm referring to Eckhart Tolle kind of enlightenment. I acknowledge one can also experience Absolute Truth with none sober methods in whatever level he is at and comeback from the high to his ego-self state. but I don't consider that liberation. I simply talked about liberated beings.

Because it's not direct and very badly fucks with your subconscious mind and memory! you gonna feel like you fucked your life FOREVER and damaged you psyche ,and you gonna be insane like this and psychologically damaged for fucking ever! and at the same time you absolutely know you are dying and time literally stops. I remember I was checking my phone every minute and time literally were stopped for me! one experienced the illusion of HELL in it's perfection! if you wanna try mushroom go for "Golden Teacher", never ever touch "Penis Envy Albino", this shit is literally pure poison! in my golden teacher trip "I" melted in love and bliss like something I've never ever could imagine! easily could surrender everything like how you surrender when you go to sleep, absolutely positive trip. but I don't call those "Penis Envy" trips bad trips because you can learn a lot from any experience really.

Actual death? What do you mean by that? If you're conscious that this very moment is who you are and not mixture of thoughts, emotions and perceptions, how can you possibly imagine the death of the Now? Btw stay away from mushrooms really! Specially "Penis Envy Albino". Mushrooms are absolute worst hallucinogenic substances to experience ego-death IMO.

There's "fear" because of death and nothing else in our human experience! Fear doesn't make sense! It's only ego-mind's mechanism to protect itself against this most unknown and mystery phenomena that conditioned mind knows absolutely nothing about it because to know death is to experience death. Simply by dying over and over one can overcome this illusion too. And I say it's an illusion because everything you experience is actually illusory in nature. What the fuck it even means to die over and over? In one of my intense mushroom trips "I" experienced dying for 3 fucking hours but actually for eternity and in all possible ways "I" could imagine! ?? 3 hours in intense mushroom trip is forever dude! "I" simply died and died and fucking died until "I" realized nope, it's just impossible and doesn't even make sense to die haha. Contemplate "experiencing" death! What?? What it is like to experience being dead? See It doesn't really make sense if you contemplate deeply. It's all just imaginary and Illusory in nature. The same illusory way you experience fir example happiness.