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Straightforward question. If I can figure out how I create other beings during my nightly dreams, will it be the same explanation as to how other people are created in this waking dream? I can lucid dream reasonably well, I can understand from within that dream scenario how I seem to create the environment, time and space, and I can relate that to my everyday waking life. As in the so called dumb physical objects. Far from dumb btw in the grand scheme of things. But I still just can’t get other beings. In my nightly dreams they’re wandering around doing their own thing, as if they have their own mind. And clearly they don’t, they can not be thinking independently of myself, as much as it seems they are. Even when I’m totally lucid, they’re still there doing their own shit. It irritates me if I’m honest ?. I think, but am not sure, that the same sort of thing has to be going on here, right now in this waking life. Or am I missing something, is there more to it than that? Or really is it the same thing? Just on a more stable and consistent level that seems to last so much longer. This is something I’ve tried to contemplate whilst on psychedelics, but as much I I realise about myself, the environment around me, it’s the other beings I just can not grasp

@Claymoree conceptually very easy to say. Not a chance if I met you in person would u understand truly and deeply that I am you. Not having it. Can be said a million times like you say. But naa sorry, you wouldn’t even be trying me if you genuinely knew. Take care thanks for the input I’ll keep up my own search of discovery. Appreciated though of course your view?

I genuinely don’t think anyone on this forum has the answer to my question m. I don’t think any of you actually truly understand what another human being is. Whether they have their own thinking mind, whether they’re just pure projection of your own mind, whether they’re nothing more than just appearance, as in an outer appearance and nothing inside. Or what? I don’t think any of yous know. I think leo probably does, but obviously I can’t 100% confirm that. But he probably does. If you people knew the answer to this question you wouldn’t be on this forum talking about it. You just wouldn’t bother. Because you would know. I certainly wouldn’t bother my ass, because I would know, and that would be that. I wouldn’t need yous and I wouldn’t need leo. That might sound contradictory to why I say leo then is on this forum. But it’s not, because this forum is Leo’s creation, so of course he’s going to be on here, responding. But the rest of yous, as much as yous claim you might know, and not all obviously. But the ones that do claim, I don’t think yous do. You wouldn’t be here if you did??‍♂️

I had a good game of football, or soccer as Americans might call it, in my dream last night. Was all good I enjoyed it. There was nothing suggesting any of that was not in my best interests. It just was what it was, with other people running around playing footy against me. My point is that these people seemed to have lives and minds of their own. Which they clearly don’t. So is this the case as I’m sitting here now awake? With people abouts and around me chatting away? Doing what seems like their own thing. I don’t understand how night dream characters do their own thing, nor these characters in my everyday life do their own thing. So my thought is if I can figure out how the night dream characters work, will that basically be the same as how these waking characters work, but as I say on a more consistent level?

@Claymoree I don’t understand what your saying? If this is a dream and night dream figures are of the same nature, and they don’t follow my best interests then that would suggest that no human being in this waking dream follows my bests interests. I’m not seeing a great deal of difference between my night dreams and my daily life other than this thing seems to be a lot more consistent and longer lasting. I don’t quite know what your getting at with your remark

It’s quite simple tbh. I’m not from the states I’m from the UK. But I’ve just been watching 5-10 minutes of trump live in Arizona on the tv. And I’m afraid if anyone wants that man running their country then they need to take their head for a wobble. This is your president! This is what you want in charge of your country! It’s nothing short of embarrassing

I don’t know. I just know that your not ready to do what your contemplating by saying to sit there and witness yourself drop dead because you’ve a lot more to learn and still have questions as to just what on earth it is your up to by living as a human being. If your confused, you still havnt got it. So best bet is to crack on like the rest of us and find all the answers to your questions. That’s all I’m doing. As I said, keep well, take care, and good luck

Answered your own question mate??. Good luck keep well

Interesting. Personally I’d say you come back, live it, enjoy it, explore it, and see it through until it’s end point. I mean like your saying your gonna end up that pure consciousness anyway when alls said and done so why not just see what’s possible from this limited state your in, explore the different states that can be achieved whilst living a human bound existence, and yea basically just kick back enjoy the ride and learn. Live the dream as one might say. The mere fact u say you wanted to come and ask the question, suggests that you want to learn and explore more from your current perspective. So continue to do that ??

@Leo Gura I don’t know why I was so surprised. Quite naive of me really. Just reading the social media comments I saw on the subject I was amazed at how I could see people taking this on as not just an idea but a belief. I’ve no doubt half those people are now telling friends we’re living in a computer simulation. Pure belief by just reading some scientific garbage. I remember one video from you saying I bet you’ve never done one bit of science in your life. Which yea just makes it a belief without any direct experience of anything you happen to read about. Science is just a religion of its own, and if I’m sat there talking to someone and they say well science says this, and they get out a book showing me this that and the other, from that persons point of view that would be no different than someone getting out the bible and saying well the bible says this??‍♂️. I guess I shouldn’t be so surprised ??

I was actually going to post about this anyway. Not really a question but something I came across yesterday that really put some things into perspective about science and scientists. Seems convenient this thread has been started so I’ll post it here. So I was nosing through my social media and I kept coming across the same article from different groups. They lead me to this nonsense about simulation theory. I was gobsmacked to read, although I was already fully aware of this foolish concept, still it gobsmacked me yet again to read of our supposed top scientists claiming that there is a 50/50 chance that we’re living in a computer simulation. I know Leo’s made an episode on this simulation thing before but my point is how honestly can supposed intelligent clever people, scientists even suggest this nonsense that we’re living in a computer. True intelligence is truly lacking here, they may be clever, academically or what have you, but intelligent definitely not. Now what struck me even more so were the comments underneath these posts from the general public, actually considering this to be a possibility. And even just outright believing it. Suggesting that oh yea actually this definitely could be going on. I read and I read on, alls I could think is this some kind of joke. That these scientists that people look to for truth, are feeding people this bullshit, but yet even more so your average human is taking it in, believing this shite. No wonder in general the human race hasn’t got a clue what’s going on. Nowhere in any social media comments or in the article itself did I see anything about God, awakening, enlightenment or anything along those lines. Which suggests to me in general people don’t even know about such a thing, and if they do they’ve just written it off as fantasy, and would rather deluded themselves with idiotic ideas such as living in a computer. I did read the word infinite, but was then followed by a computer with infinite power??‍♂️. Seriously is this where we’re at as a race and within science. Joke ideas and joke gullible people lapping this shit up. It really disheartened me that this in 2020 is even a suggestion. People look up to scientists, yet many of them are leading people in the complete opposite direction to truth. Leo is right, in the fucking Stone Age. Anyway here’s a link to this fools article i was taken https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-live-in-a-simulation-chances-are-about-50-50/

I’ve been thinking a lot lately about other beings. Other human beings. I suppose not just human beings but all living beings, animal beings, u name it, any other thing that seems conscious and alive. What are they? As in seriously what are they? I’ve tripped I’ve had awakenings, and it’s easy in altered heightened states when on lsd to realise that I’m my whole environment type thing. That the glass I pick up to drink out of is me, consciousness. That everything is consciousness. The tv, the table, the chair, the apple in the corner, the plates the knives and forks, the whole room the whole environment that I’m in. Sort of like I’m projecting it. I have many lucid dreams and wander around in these dreams realising and even sort of understanding that it’s all me. It’s all the same stuff. I can make comparisons from the dreaming state to this waking state and get what’s going on. But then I come across other people, and it’s the people that get me stumped. Because they’re doing things, as if with their own mind they’re knocking about doing things that seem totally out of my control. In both waking life and dreams. Where as when it just comes to dumb objects, just still not doing anything sort of things, I can realise how I’m projecting that. But the people, I just can’t get. The table the chair and the glass don’t answer back, they just do whatever it is I ask them to. As in I can pick them up, move them wherever I want do whatever with them. But the people, the beings, they just seem to do their own shit. I’ve always tripped on my own, so the dumb object thing pretty much becomes obvious. I’ve never tripped with another person about. Maybe that will help me with this issue if I’ve another person there as I awaken, to realise just what another person really is. I don’t know. I’m ready and prepared for a strong lsd trip tomorrow, whether an awakening comes from that I don’t know. But I will be on my own for it again as just feels right to be on my own during this process. Also, no one else even remotely understands what I’m up to with this spirituality thing. The close friends I’ve told I’ve no doubt they just think I’m deluded. Very material in their paradigm so I am pretty much solo on this journey, for now anyway. Has anyone got any sort of way I should maybe think about this ‘other human being’ dilemma I have before I trip tomorrow? Any responses would be much appreciated thanks. I’m not going to reply to anything I’ll just read any replies. Thanks??

Nothing about Martin ball here. I’m over that. But I am walking hone away from the pub thinking what the actual fuck am I doing here?? Why human beings? Why a cup to drink out of? Why a bowl to eat out of? Why a spoon? Why this body to walk around as if I’m in a physical world? Just why anything? It seems so strange, all of it. What exactly am I up to here? As god what the fuck am I trying to achieve by doing this? Is it just me trying to achieve tricking myself? Because I had an awakening once where I was like u clever bastard you’ve just tricked yourself this is real. And you’ve done it infinite times. How many times have I done this. And how many more times am I going to do it. That was an lsd trip. But that’s how I felt then I came back down, to normality. But yea walking home now just on a misty sort of rainy night, my question to myself is... just what the fuck am I actually up to here??

So I’ve just read Martin balls book ‘being human’ or actually listened to it. Now don’t get me wrong there’s a lot of good stuff in it, he clearly understands non duality and god, but I’m thinking only to a degree. I mean he babbles some shit, about the creation of the universe how it happened and the evolution process. I felt like yea this guy gets it, what god is, but he babbled such a story alongside of it all, that I thought yea he gets it, he knows it’s all a dream and that, but at the exact same time listening to him rabbit on I thought you at the exact same time are completely lost in stories of the dream. It seemed so very like he gets things, but at the very same time he’s completely wrapped up in stories, even though he claims many many times in the book for everyone else to NOT get wrapped up in stories. To be honest, I think he gets things to a certain degree, and then he’s hit a point where he’s just completely full of shit! I could be wrong of course, I’m open to anything, not a believer in anything, until I feel I’ve got things myself. I havnt got everything, but I’ve got bits, glimpses, and I feel ball chats shite. Well about some things anyway

@Leo Gura he’s definitely speaking shit in that book man. Energy mathematics all that shit. He’s definitely naraitive and story orientated. I’ve never had 5meo I wish I could. I’ve had a good few glimpses through lsd and no, just no, I’m convinced ball is full of shit? not totally, no way. He gets it, but he doesn’t get it like u so leo he just doesn’t Hahahaha. Hopefully one day I’ll just get this shit. But in no way would I listen to balls teachings over yours, just no way. I will get this shit leo, I’ll get it, totally at some point, then I’ll thank u, and just realise you were probably not even there to thank hahaha??

@SoonHei your speaking here as if you know this. I don’t believe you do infact I’ve absolutely no doubt you have no idea. There’s absolutely no chance that my last nights dream is ongoing with those characters in it cracking on with life as such without me in them. That’s just not happening. That dream is dead, collapsed and out of here. And I’m pretty sure this waking dream collapses in the same way at your death. I’ve had a few awakenings and this is where I’m at with this question. I could very well be wrong though I need more deeper awakenings for myself to clarify. @Mvrs Leo has a good video called ‘reality is a dream’ I think it’s called. Intriguing video

Ya know, we knock about saying we’re not real and all that, that we’re nothing. But at the end of the day, we’re here, we’re doing shit we’re fucking about. So even if we’re not real, and come the end of it all it all doesn’t matter, we’re still here doing this shit no matter if it’s imaginary or not. That’s as real as it gets. I’ve confused the fuck out of myself this past year. But even if we’re nothing, we still have to go through all this bollocks so ya know, it’s as real as real can be. I’ve had awakenings and realisations and I always find myself right back here doing this shit that’s not real, but feels real. So end of the day what difference does it actually all make???‍♂️

I’m contemplating something. As in what are other people up to? As in when they’re in my company, they are there visually to me, I can see them, I can speak to them, whatever ya know. But say for instance when they go home, they’re out of my sight out of my experience. Are they actually at home doing something? Or do they just disappear? And then the next time I see them and they tell me they’ve been up to this and that, or whatever, have they sort of been non existent type thing but then when they reappear into my experience I’ve somehow made up a story, that I’m not aware of doing m, that they have been upto these things, and it’s just like me, tricking myself bullshitting myself. Does anyone really have the answer to this or are yous just going to speculate like I am now? Would appreciate speculation anyway but if someone has hands down honest truth they know is truth that would be even more appreciated ?

@Yarco well this is it mate. What on earth is going on with a text message. I’ve just received one now. Someone quizzing me about something. So what’s going on here. Is there someone somewhere typing that or is it just words, letters appearing on my phone screen and I’m going to create a story about it. But then it seems I’ve no control at all of the story that’s going to develop because I’ve been asked a question. Which I really can not be fucked answering?. So what is happening? Is there really someone there or can I just ignore this text message question because in reality it’s an absolute load of bollocks?. ??‍♂️

@RedLine ??

One question. Is my mate at home doing something now? It’s that straightforward it’s that simple the question. I’m thinking not. @RedLine U sound like u speake sense. What do u think?

I’m so confused? thank you guys for trying to explain and give your opinions. I’m liking what @RedLine is saying I feel more inclined to understand a little what they’re saying. Seems about as confused as I’ve found myself?. Think it must be time for another psychedelic trip. I’m so intent on understanding this lot, that I think maybe my desire to understand may just be the problem. Because maybe it’s something you. can never really understand. I’m sick to death of thinking I’ve got it, then 3 weeks later questioning myself about whether I have or not. And like I say, if I’m questioning, I clearly havnt ??‍♂️

But is solipsism the case? I mean... tbh I don’t know what I mean. I I’m beginning to feel that solipsism it it. Not like there is no one else. But at the same time there is no one else. I’ve confused myself somewhere down the line. One minute I think I have it, the next I don’t. Am so confused. Fuckin hell ey. Just need to hit this nail on the head. I’m not even bothered if that is the case. If it is it is. But my need for understanding is taking over me. I just want to know. One way or another. I feel I can accept any way reality is. But then I think I clearly can’t, otherwise I would get it. I’ll keep pressing anyway am nailing this shit eventually I’m going to get it. And I’m open to whatever that may be. Just don’t want to delude myself. If there’s a doubt I know I havnt got it. And there’s doubt. So I need to work more??. Thanks by the way for all replies

When your tripping, and it just pours over you that your god! That u are everything that ever was ever is and ever will be. Just lash this on full blast. And know that it was just you, having a good time having a good time? amazing. Am literally away with it right now hahaha. I wish u could all join. But I know u can, because your all me ? enjoy people enjoy full blast haha Am no bender btw guys but fuckin hell realise that this is u having a good time? absolutely tremendous ??

@Leo Gura you fucking crack me up man? genuinely with your replies fucking humour me? short and sweet u know if someone’s got it or not? I havnt, I’ve just got bits, but fuckin hell those bits are cool hahaha??