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A really good watch good use of 4 hours I have to say. Spira is clearly very advanced it’s difficult to find much fault at all with what he communicates. But I do empathise with him a little. I see he’s still attached to this promise he made early in his life to not take drugs. He doesn’t condemn psychedelics but I’m not sure he grasps entirely the positives. Having such a deep understanding as he does I think he should be able to see through the fact that he doesn’t have to hold on to that promise to himself. He’s at an age where his life is sorted, he’s everything in place and is happy. It’s done. And has a deep understanding of consciousness. Why change that? But I would suggest that now would be the perfect time for him to eliminate that promise to himself and make use of psychedelics and explore consciousness more, in ways that he hasn’t yet invested in. His awakening would raise 10 fold in my opinion and who knows to what level of understanding it could lead him to. Maybe one could say why? What’s the need, he’s done all this without the use of psychedelics? But it could open so much more to him. Obviously it’s his personal preference and I’ve no issue with that. But I do think he’s missing out on so much when it comes to the exploration of consciousness

Not sure if this has previously been posted so forgive me and just delete it if so. But I just came across this video. Personally I think the guys full of shit and struggled to sit through his babble of bullshit, just my personal opinion. What would you say in response to this dude @Leo Gura ? Or anyone here’s response for that matter?

I tried to investigate this during a few lucid dreams. Watching cars drive past me, seemingly perfectly driving visually and the sound of the engine. Wondering how are they actually working here. Completely imaginary was my conclusion. I tried to compare the experience the next day whilst watching the cars drive past me as I was walking, it was no different in my waking state as in the lucid dream. The only difference being was that in the dream I was conscious of them being imaginary, where as in the waking state I was not conscious of it but just held it as a concept that surely the same thing must be going on here, but like I say I wasn’t conscious of the fact as I had all the layers of the technology used to build the cars and engines that making them drive. In the dream I was totally conscious that all that was infact purely imaginary. I done the same with a smartphone. I used one in the lucid dream, which worked as I flicked through different apps things like that. It was a bit off a bit iffy as things like that with writing and that on, on close inspection in the dream state can go a bit funny, a bit morphing like, but still it was a working phone and I was totally aware I was imagining it. I used it to call a mate and listened intently as they were speaking through this working phone, which was quite amusing if I’m honest. Again I tried to relate the next day in the same situation but could not become conscious of how I was imagining in the same way I could in the dream. Still though, it was a decent little exercise for me to try proved rather interesting to be honest

Tbh mate, I feel I’m kind of getting there. I’ve had a good few awakenings, Jesus a damn good few awakenings. All sorts of shit, even to the point where I can see how I’m creating a person. As in creating my own dads jaw line. Or anyone, I could see somehow how I was constructing people, and it was happening like in some perfect sort of sync, in a way I can’t explain, it just was, I could see how it was working. That pinpoint, every human that exists I’ve seen, but I can’t explain how, but I have seen how I am constructing a person that sits in front of me. Genuinely. I could just see how it was happening, it was ridiculous. But it was true. It was just the way it is. But..... I’m sorry to tell u, but I think you’ve lost the plot. I don’t think you’ve got this shit down, there’s something about it that just doesn’t feel right. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows. But errr.. I don’t know, just feels like somehow your deluded ??‍♂️. Even though your genuine. Just deluded. To be honest I’ve no idea why I just posted this reply mate. It just came out, I can’t even remember the title of the post if I’m honest it’s up the top of the page out of view?. Either way, I think you’ve lost the plot mate. I know I wanted to get that point across anyway. You seem a good guy, genuine. But you’ve lost it??‍♂️

I tried debating and arguing the fool. It didn’t work out as I anticipated. It made me sit back and realise eventually how much work I have to do on myself yet. Infact after a few days I realised how it came full circle on me, and realised that I was infact the fool, especially for my own forceful nature during such a debate. And just to be honest when it came down to it I wasn’t capable of what I had thought I was. It’s alright to sit there on your own and understand the nature of reality, or at least to what you think is a decent degree. To deliver it to the fool takes something of a much more nuanced sophisticated approach. It actually takes skill. So if you try, without being prepared, then understand you will become the fool to the fool, and then the fool to yourself as well as you realise how much of a fool you were to even go down that road with someone. You better make sure you seriously know how to back up your claims if going to directly issue someone with some truths. It’s harder than you think

It does mate. That’s quite obvious. It can scare the shit out of the individual, and it can scare ‘other people’ more. Hence why they can throw you in a mental institute to get you out of the way of ‘other people’. It’s not straight forward this shit, you should know that if you’ve gotten anywhere with it. It’s mind fucking to the person who’s directly involved and it can be even more mind fucking in a different way to those ‘supposed other people’. Alls I’m saying is don’t be so quick to make your judgements and counters to what he’s saying??

@kinesin ah forget it mate I thought you may have come out with a genuine answer rather than just a corny remark. Either way just leave it out, cut the crap. You can see the guy is going through a difficult period, enlightenment, road to enlightenment, awakenings, or delusion, however you want to frame it. And to be honest I know your not anyway because one who was wouldn’t be so reactive in the manner you are. I don’t know his situation, but neither do you. He’s going through something though and he’s genuine about it. So no need to pit your wits against everything he says. He’s certainly had some deep realisations either way whether you like it or not. So let him do his thing and come through it ??

@kinesin are u enlightened?

? not even close. She’s clearly awake to some degree but let’s not get ahead of yaself here She just spent this 24 minute video saying ‘ I don’t know’. I advise watching Leo’s video of the exact same title in which you’ll find... that he does know?. I’m not taking anything away from her but she’s a way to go yet that’s for sure

I’ve pondered similar questions before. Lsd has been my weapon of choice so to say. 5meo just hasn’t been available to me. I’ve seen and heard many trip reports about 5meo. Obviously dosage size, an individuals particular reaction to a substance, is going to vary, monumentally in some cases. But I have wondered just what’s going on in these 5meo experiences? Because for instance, one example is I watched Martin Ball take it orally and sit there on his knees doing all sort of weird symmetrical antics with his body, like he was some sort of Moses like praying character. And then I see Leo on one of his live awakening videos and he just seems like genuinely normal bloke who’s broken through, sitting there talking and contemplating and having realisations, very much like I do myself when having my own awakenings on lsd. My lsd awakenings all have a similar tone to them, although at the same time very different depending on the type of facets I’m awakening to. Paradoxically very much the same but also very different. So I do question just what’s going on with this stuff. 5meo seems a bit of a mystery to me from an outside point of view

So I’ve just ended a working week and decided on a couple of pints in the pub. A lad decided to yap on about conspiracy theories, some bollocks about covid vaccines, the population all this type nonsense. I piped up, I don’t normally but I did. Anyway to cut a long story short he started saying ‘I thought u were quite an awake guy but actually u havnt got a clue’. He was chatting shit, we’re in a simulation all that crap. Theory after theory. I just said your God mate, and tried to rattle off a few of my awakenings, just basic, about the ego unraveling, that type thing. How he is actually me and I am him. Alls I got was that ‘yea yea yea I know we’re all one but we’re living separate lives and that’s what’s happening. I tried to bring into it about imagination, infinite imagination, and I was just put down as if I was a complete fool who wasn’t awake. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not awake. But I’ve had huge awakenings. And I just realised that I can’t talk to normal people about it, AT ALL! Because the so called ‘mainstream’ idea of being awake is that u see this that and the other about what’s going on in the world, the politics, the news, that’s being awake apparently. I can’t quite seem to get the message across of that awakening is awaking from the dream of life. It pained me, and made me think I’m just not gonna bother attempting anymore. Can’t be assed. Can’t be assed looking like a fool in the boozer over a couple of pints. Just do my own thing, go on my own journey if ya wanna put it that way. And fuck all of that off. I don’t have the word to explain infinity to ya average bloke. I wish I did but I don’t. If I kept going I seem like a fool. Even though I know he’s the fool. Struggled there I really did. Ah well never mind

I’ll be honest yea it annoyed me. Ego stuff of course. But still, when ya so frustrated with foolishness, with like you say, the woke mentality, of supposedly being onto to all these supposed conspiracies an nonsense like that. And I’m like clenching my fists in frustration, not as in to punch, but just pure frustration at what’s being said without being able to counter it. I could and I did counter it, but ultimately I seemed woo woo and idiotic to the average materialistic mind. So yea I lost. Ah well never mind. Is what it is I’ll let it go. Lesson learned

But I’ll be honest. I do not think for one minute that anyone here, is awake at all. I genuinely do not think that any of yous, anyone, is awake. Not in the proper sense of what awake is. I’m not, don’t get me wrong. But jeezzz I’ve defo been awake, and clearly fell back to sleep. I have turned insane??‍♂️ Literally insane. And I don’t think people appreciate what insane actually means. But that aside. Ya know what. I’m just gonna crack on as I do, try to learn and try to have my own awakenings. Just crack on??‍♂️. That’s it, what more can ya do. Good night

@Jonty hahahaha yea British ?

I give up. I genuinely just give up! Fuck it. Fair play to the likes of Leo who tries to teach truth. Because I can’t even teach ya average joe in the boozer. They think I’m an idiot. That’s cool I get their point of view. But it doesn’t stop me knowing that they are fools

One of the best moves I ever made was to delete my Facebook account. So much to learn from deleting your Facebook account. Intertwined reasoning this that and the other. Even deleting your Facebook account and sticking to it will create a small realisation. But you’ll only realise once it’s done, and it stays done. One of the best moves I ever made??

This has definitely been explained over the last couple of years. And in depth too. But either way an explanation to any degree would still not cut it for you. Explaination isn’t enough. Realisation is what’s needed. Ive a severely disabled family member, from birth. Now it’s true that they will never be able to awaken in this lifetime as they wouldn’t have any idea what was going on. I’ve no idea what the subjective experience might be like, but unfortunate as it is, I know they know next to nothing about anything. So in that sense it would be impossible to awaken to god as there is no concept of god there’s just nothing to go off. Now from a human perspective this seems naturally unfair. But I’ve gone deep enough during my own awakenings to realise the perfection of this, the perfection of him, and the necessity of these situations. These things are necessary, it’s a part of infinity infact it’s impossible for it not to be at some given point. You can realise the absolute good of infinity. Also if everything was absolutely perfect from a human perspective, no disability no young deaths no this no that, whatever you want to eliminate, it still couldn’t be all good from the relative point of view. Because there would still always be people who have more than others, so the lesser of all these goods would be the bad. If everyone was a billionaire and you were a millionaire, you would feel like shite, you’d be depressed because of your finances in comparison to everybody else, you’d be suffering. Being a millionaire wouldn’t be worth anything because the average would be a billionaire. It’s far too narrow minded to think that any of the finite world can be improved upon, as in its make up, reality itself, infact it’s ludicrous. Relatively yes you can improve things. Absolutely? No chance, it’s idiotic to think so. And anyway, in a deep enough awakening you can realise, which I did, that myself awakening, even if only during a psychedelic experience, is also my disabled family member awakening. You realise your the same one being. So you awaken as yourself, to yourself, as everyone else. You awaken for and as the entire universe. Not that I’m conscious of these points I’ve made now, but I have become conscious of them. And dropped back down into my contracted egoic state. But left with a conceptual understanding of them with contemplation and integration. And much more than I could possibly write here or even remotely explain through words. Which once experienced is undeniable. I can’t even begin to imagine how much deeper it goes. I’m nowhere on this journey. But I do know reality is absolute perfection

So interesting that

First off sorry to hear of the loss. I don’t know enough about the guy to make any comments on his state of mind or his reasons. Only what I’ve read. The blame game doesn’t work for me though. There’s such a variety of states of mind following actualized that it’s impossible to cater for all. I’ve seen a fair bit aimed towards the latest video, but let’s not forget the guy never watched that video he took his life before its release. Everybody here has their own agenda of what they want out of spirituality. For me personally it’s pure understanding of reality, what I am and what the hell im upto. And then to live in physical reality with the deepest understanding I can of what it is, how it’s working etc. To enjoy the creation. Whilst understanding it. Understanding myself. To it’s bitter end, it’s natural end. It’s obviously tricky to teach at such a scale, again because of the wide variety of individuals, everyone unique in their own way. It is down to the individual to try to gauge where they are at, to be wise and use common sense. Maybe if a video says ‘advanced’ in the title, then think maybe this isn’t quite for me yet, I’ll put viewing that aside for the time being an study other areas. The thing with it is, Leo is going to teach from where he’s at. New releases are not going to backtrack, dumb down or be watered down. Because those videos are already there. So from his perspective it makes no sense it’s pointless and a waste of time. It’s down to an individual to backtrack themselves through the catalogue of work and take up the teachings from where they honestly feel they’re at. If that’s his early self development videos then that’s where ya at. No point taking in his latest video if your in a position of just working out physical reality through quantum mechanics or something. For me personally I got a lot out of the latest video, and the long deep videos are right up my street. But the same applies where as he isn’t just teaching to suit my wants and needs. It’s on a grand scale and if things need altering in some form I’m sure he will. Let’s also not forget Soonhei will no doubt have taken in other teachings, the likes of tolle, spira, sadguru, yang, loads of the spiritual practices out there, to culminate in that final choice of suicide. Ya know people have hung themselves and committed suicide because their sports team have lost, this is true there’s many cases that can be searched up. But ya don’t blame the team for losing, or a couple of the individual players because maybe ya think they could have put in a little more effort that game. Or ya don’t stop going to watch your team if one of the fans has hung himself because the team got beat. These oddities do happen in all walks of life. It’s tragic and sad. And my heart goes out to those affected. Truth is truth in the end though. And if truth is to be taught, it’s needs to be taught as close to the truth as is possible. Or there’s no point in teaching it. You may as well say your teaching lies ??‍♂️

I had a massive lsd awakening months ago, maybe last year now I can’t remember exactly when. But I became aware of many of the things Leo spoke about. That I was here and always been here in the same spot same moment. I was aware of how I created this like web of imagination from one thought/memory to another. Kind of like the idea of me being here right now would create one strand which would sort of begin to spiral around me, kind of like that swing ball game. You could say that I was like the stick, like that was my empty consciousness. And the ball on the string was one idea spinning around me. Then I’d add another idea of how that ball was there, and one on top of that and so on. Suddenly there’s strings and balls flying round the stick to the point you can’t make out how many there are, thousands, millions, just spiralling around wrapping themselves around the stick so tightly I was locked in the middle of them just so tightly knit that it was my life, made up of these ideas and stories I’d concocted, built up on top of one another, creating this solidarity of this consistent ongoing from moment to moment life. But what I realised was that the idea of my birth wasn’t even like the first idea, that came as an idea built upon other ideas, you could say other balls on strings, to ground me in a reason of what the hell I was doing here. Anchoring me, which was a phrase leo used that I quite liked. So these ideas were not even in order as we would conventionally put it. They created an order from my human life perspective, but they weren’t really in order as such. It was an amazing revelation to me about how I am constructing this thing. And the awakening was the unraveling of that. Like unraveling the strings and balls away from the stick until I was just left as the stick. Now I wasn’t a stick and tennis balls? but it’s all I can seem to compare it to as the feeling of these thoughts and ideas spiralling around me creating me and my life. I’d found it difficult to interpret but after watching the video I was like I know this, I know what Leo is on about here I’ve experienced this to a degree. And on the subject of other people other bubbles, I’m pretty certain there isn’t any. That others conform to how you are, your true deep down concept of self. They are reactive to you because they are aspects of your own mind. And they seem surprising, and intelligent, with they’re own thoughts and opinions, purely because you don’t know your own mind deeply enough to understand why they conform to you the way they do. I’m guilty of this. But it’s workable I’m sure of that. The only time Leo’s bubble exists, is when your concept of self is that of Leo. Making you/us/him one in the same. The exact same thing, consciousness with a different concept of itself. Which makes you him, him you, him me, me him, as he likes to put it, I am you, and you are me. And considering it’s all happening outside of time and space at the absolute level, it’s simultaneous. So you really are just talking to yourself. Amazing, could not be put together any better. And I know, as the saying goes, I’m still only scratching the surface.

Great video. Straight to the point getting down to the nitty gritty no beating about the bush. That’s what we’re here for. A no nonsense approach

A good painting is a good painting. Of course it could be enjoyed by anyone. You could be marvelled by the talent of it, before you became aware it was Hitlers, then once you find out it’s hitlers you completely reverse how you feel about it. Which shows it’s just completely illusory your feeling toward the painting itself. Just projections placed over what is actually there. There’s a great documentary on Netflix called ‘Hitlers circle of evil’ 10 hour long episodes. Well worth a watch. Hitler was one bad bastard of course, but he was manipulated himself by others around him I’d go as far as saying that maybe some of those around him were even worse than him himself. Just Hitler was at the forefront and takes the wrap for everything aimed towards world war 2. Understandable. Don’t get me wrong, an evil evil man but there was worse who fed him all sorts for their own selfish reasons. This was not a praise of Hitler btw just incase anyone may misinterpret

Ya know I’ve fuckin sat here, and listened to that podcast. An I’ve tried to dissect it type thing, thing about how it works, how it doesn’t, and just how anything an everything. Ya know leo sits there at one point, well a couple of points, and says it how it is, those words we all wanted to hear, that ya imagining everything. I’m not quite sure if you lot realise how that sounds, to some stage orange even green, a bit yellow. Whatever however ya want to frame it. That podcast is a clever podcast there’s clever intellectual shit on there week in week out. It’s a fucking podcast of genuine people who are genuinely like clever blokes. As in they can chat, but they can really chat, they know their shit they’re not stupid. Yet there’s no doubt about it, when Leo sits there and tells them and tells the world whoever’s listening, that they are imagining everything ? that it just does not resonate. Not at all. I saw Leo’s face, he was giggling to himself at times cus he just knew, he just knows. It’s almost like trying to tell ya 12 month old kid that Santa is a tosser??‍♂️. It’s sooooo difficult I don’t think people appreciate. My mates want to cast me aside as if I’m an idiot if I suggest reality is imaginary. So fuck knows what half those viewers thought. They must have been like this fucker has lost the plot?. But I get it, I get why certain people may thing that, or along those lines. They’re cool dudes who run that podcast they genuinely are clever out there thinking people. But it’s like, reality is imaginary.... and it’s just impossible to get. U either get it or u don’t type thing. I mean I can imagine maybe a good few listeners might get it to the extent that they start questioning themselves. But fucking hell im not sure people realise just how crazy it is when u say reality is imaginary! Like it’s not just a joke, a here or there type thing. Reality is imaginary. That seriously is a line that if u truly get, you will go insane??‍♂️?. I’ve been there, I’ve been insane. So yea, I get it. Great podcast great discussion. But it’s never gonna be something like leo speaks to some dude on a podcast and awakens him live on air?. I think sometimes it seems like that’s what u guys want. I can’t happen. It’s a yearly structure, even more than yearly, it’s a lifetimes work. So yea, let up an just enjoy the content. It’s all good

Excellent watch that. There’s only so far ya can go in the time given and respond to whatever questions are asked of. Thought it was a great discussion to listen to ??

Ya know I’ve thought about this and actualized reaching the wider audience is likely to spell the end of this forum. And for good reason too. I’m in total agreement that the teachings need to be more widespread, they’re too good too unique for them to stagnate at where it’s reached at this point. Definitely the speaking on others podcasts and that is a great move to expand. I think at the minute there’s a million or so subscribers, so say for instance that was doubled, it’s going to draw in a serious amount of skeptics and debaters, argumentative types that will plough this forum with the biggest load of bollocks you could ever wish to read. Out of a million new subscribers you might get a couple of thousand that are genuinely serious about the work, at best, and the rest are likely to just be full of shit. There’s no doubt it’s time to expand and reach more and more people. But I just read some nonsense from some bloke on here a couple of threads that were locked pretty damn quickly, some religious babble, having a pop. Theres no doubt that more and more of this type thing will crop up. There’ll be locked threads here there and everywhere. So I’m thinking the forum will either die a slow death and be shut down altogether, or Leo will decide on not interacting with it anymore. And just leave it to his moderators. Which would be a massive shame because I don’t know of anywhere else where you can seriously interact with a teacher, with genuine questions and get a response, usually within a couple of hours, provided what your saying is genuine and not just fucking about after a rise from people or whatever. Even some of the non sensical things said on here will get a response from Leo. Some of us are actually trying, trying to figure this shit out, trying our best and the forum is great for that when your able to interact with Leo and others on here that are way further ahead of the game than the likes of myself. So a lot can be learned. To be honest I wouldn’t blame him if he stepped away from the forum, there’s more than enough on here already if you search. Every question we ask has already been asked, and in most cases a good in depth response from Leo is usually found within the thread. There’s also hundreds of hours of videos already, with more to come, if ya can’t get off the ground and up and running with this work with what’s already here then ya may as well just give up and crack on with life. Because the catalogue of work already is nothing less than tremendous. But I do believe there’ll be a lot of shit on here once the possible mainstream herd like audience appear. So I wouldn’t blame him if he just said fuck it, I don’t need this crap. Even the likes of that Murphy dude comes on and spouts some real dogshit. I’m not sure if he’s actually started a thread that hasn’t eventually been locked. And with good reason he’s just spouting absolute bollocks half the time. I’m no stranger myself to a few posts that may seem a bit out there, but they’re genuine and I’m sure anyone with half an imaginary brain? could appreciate at least I’m genuine at least I’m trying. Leo’s touched on shutting down this forum in one of his recent episodes and on his last he said something along the lines of he’s amazed at how few decent questions he gets asked on here. I thought yea I’m probably guilty of a few of them myself but at least they’re coming from the right place. There’s been some great questions and opinions on here that I personally feel I’ve learned a lot from. But they’re now all already there, to be searched and read through. It’d be as I’ve said a great shame if he does cast this aside, because it’s great to be able to interact with him, but we have to appreciate that he’s his own work to do, and at 10 times the rate that any of us can do it, to actually keep this up and teach it so in depth. Maybe I’m wrong. I love the forum, but things change and move on, and it very well might just become its watch the actualized videos, listen to whatever podcasts he goes on, read and watch the blog content, and that’s ya lot. And as I say, I wouldn’t blame him if that ends up the case. Because there’s a lot of shit cropping up on here and with growth, part and parcel of that growth will be an added amount of bullshit appearing on this forum. But to grow Actualized, that may just be what ends up happening. It’ll be more widespread, but less interaction with him himself