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I’m not convinced. Genetics likely do play a roll to a certain degree. But through my experiences I find it much more to do with the power the ego. I find it reasonably easy to have awakenings on psychedelics. Some so deep I’ve thought well that’s that, there’s nothing left to do, it seemed absolutely complete, then I’d find myself next time round in an even deeper place. So what I thought was absolutely total, was not. Even though it seems that way. The nature of infinity I guess. Then sometimes I trip and wouldn’t class as awakening, just very deep insights but not totally surrendered. Anyway, point being, on one particular occasion which I’ll never forget, is when I’d totally surrendered, complete loss of ego, then observed my ego reconstruct itself. This was impossible to stop, I observed in sheer disbelief as my mind was reconstructing all its dualities, at mega speed, building upon one another, creating this ridiculously tightly nit construction that encased me. And there I was, back, completely absorbed as this character I see myself to be. Totally seeing and understanding how it had done it, but in no way able to deconstruct it once back in it as the trip wore down. Back, lost in it, but with a great inner understanding and respect for the ego construct. It’s so powerful. And in a sense that’s right, because the devil is extremely powerful, and that’s essentially what the ego is, that’s what the devil represents, but has been ludicrously misinterpreted. But the power of God can overcome it. Which when this happens is literally an awakening. Even though it’s all God but just for the purpose of this subject matter. Never at any point have I felt genetics will hold me back, or even help me prosper with awakening as such in ordinary everyday life, I personally feel it is power of the ego, it’s mesmerising construction to hold you in place within it, to deceive and delude, which is its purpose. A wonderful wonderful construct. Breaking that down, on a permanent basis is what holds people back in my opinion, something I feel nowhere near, but working on, much more than any genetic trait. Although I don’t disregard that some people’s genetics may be just set to make this much easier, but I can’t confirm

You’ve gotta realise ya know, that u have created the whole lot. One way I have come to understand what I’m up to is this. Imagine I gave you 1000 words. 1000 words, from hello to goodbye, and another 998 in between. In any order. And told you to write as many stories as possible using those 1000 words. You’d write one story, then the next, then the next, then the next, forever and ever, until all stories were written. That’s limited, it kind of seems infinite but you’ve actually only 1000 words so the amount of stories you could create, is in the end, finite. But imagine the amount of stories you could concoct with those 1000 words. More than you could ever believe. Now try to understand everything that could ever possibly exist. Mix all that up, the scenarios are absolutely infinite. There’s actually no way to shut it down, to close it up, it is what is is. That is what your doing right now. You have created an absolute mish mash of all that can ever possibly be and came up with your life, and your whole backstory of history and everything. And somehow, the Mechanics I’m not exactly sure of yet, but I have watched them in action, but I don’t quite know how it’s doing it. But it is what it is, you’ve made it up, and when you end this dream, you will be more than capable of creating something with a complete different history. No hitler, no Jesus, no Buddha, no none of that shit. Just anything, you can make anything up, so long as you believe it enough then you actually believe it! It’s so subconsciously set, that you truly do have to jail break your mind to realise what’s going on here. You have made up your whole life. All people, everything. And you’ll do it over and over again. Correct me if I’m wrong anyone??‍♂️

Well he said that was an advanced episode, advanced advanced advanced is the way he put it. He wasn’t wrong either, I actually had to watch it twice to try get myself fully aligned with his realisations. Took what I could from it conceptually, and tried to analyse and compare with awakenings of my own. It was deep, deeper than I’ve personally comprehended for myself as of yet. It certainly was advanced and much work and many more awakenings necessary I think to reveal such things

Sorry mate, this is just fucking hilarious ??? how do you people get yourselves into such situations? It’s just weak man. Weak! Fooling yourself into ridiculous situations. Nonsense

@Leo Gura ah yea I know I get that. What I meant was that for me to be ‘sane’ as in the normie sense of sane, a consistent persistent hallucination, that seems real day after day, is necessary. Rather than a schizophrenic like jarred hallucination which would be classed as ‘insane’ from the normie, ordinary state of consciousness life point of view. I understand that’s relative. But what I meant was that in a sense, god has literally got to become completely insane, to believe that all it’s hallucinations are absolutely real, for it then to seem from the relative point of view, as ‘sane’. So that’s what I mean, to be apparently ‘sane’ you have to actually be completely ‘insane’. Not sure I’ve communicated that correctly. Feels I have though as best I can. Please, tell me I’m babbling crap if u think I am???

@Leo Gura ? so to be ‘sane’ I’ve got to be completely ‘insane’ hahaha to believe that I’m sane. Very strange loopy. That’s great, I love it? its all so fucking clever it never ceases to amaze

Crazy. Although stories like these just seem to strengthen the position that life is total hallucination. Like @Soullee said it seems to alter the consistency of the dream type thing. Creating full on human beings and conversing with them, just adds more power to previous realisations I’ve had that in ordinary sober life I’m just talking to fucking nobody?. Only the consistency makes it seem like somebody. Also makes me myself seem like somebody, when infact I’m also hallucinating me being somebody. A complete mind game all round I guess

Just finished up on part 2. I’ve gotta say hats off to both. A lot of wisdom to be had from the discussion. A calm, relaxed, genuine, intelligent conversation. From my own perspective was easy to follow, although I understand that me being fully aware of the teachings, what they are and what they’re about, made what was being discussed very straightforward to me personally, where as confusion and objections would obviously be had by the majority of Curt’s audience without any experience of awakenings. What was great for me was the relaxed attitude from both parties. And seeing Curt’s mind opening in the moment, kind of in real time. One of my greatest joys is seeing a mind opening, as in somethings hitting a nail here, theres a barrier being penetrated. It’s like you can feel within yourself an expansion of another mind. I could see this happening with Curt. Both Leo and Curt seemed to do a bit of emptying of the soul, if that’s the right phrase to use, with the conversation being so genuine. It was great to see. At times it was almost like watching Curt in therapy as he contemplated with a little soul searching. You can tell that Curt will take a lot from the interview. And maybe one day take the plunge into the work himself. Hopefully his audience watched/watch on in a similar fashion. It was a pleasant watch, so again hats off to both, well done ??

Did it block your soul when you had your mmr vaccine as a kid? Or did it just stop you contracting measles mumps and rubella? Behave, quit ya nonsense and get a grip of yourself ??

Sort of like an absolute explosion of everything that can ever be at once. Anything and everything possible, superimposed onto itself. I’ve literally seen this, all faces in one place, all buildings in one place, everything that can ever be in one place. Superimposed. And when superimposed it’s both everything and nothing at the same time. That should be obvious. You can probably fuck about on a computer superimposing things onto each other that could give you a visual idea. But that aside, you seem to forget the infine intelligence of infinity. To be able to solidify one image over another. That is what you see. Your solidifying the image of what you see over what I see. Yet we are in the exact same place at the exact same time, as the same being, just solidifying one perspective over another type thing. That place is nowhere by the way, it just seems like somewhere. It’s so paradoxical, it’s so hard to communicate. In one state your seeing what your seeing, in another state your seeing what I’m seeing. There’s infinite states. Your one, I’m one. But there’s everything in between too, each state that’s represented every moment of your life, and mine, and every other. Put it this way, if you were able to replicate my exact state now as I am, through meditation or psychedelics or whatever, however, if you could replicate my exact state, you would literally become me now, typing this message, and you would never ever have known that you’ve been you. Infinity is ludicrous, unexplainable to the human mind. Just is what it is. And be sure you’ll experience every state that can ever be. But you just won’t know it, from each particular state. Until maybe there’s a higher state where you will know it. That state, being the God state. Then none of these states matter anyway??‍♂️. It’s a crazy crazy thing, a crazy no-thing. And as I always say, I’m still nowhere near. Otherwise I wouldn’t be sat here in this state I am now, typing this. This is a pretty good state by the way? I feel good, but I’m fully aware it’s majorly limited. Never mind haha

That was hilariously painful to watch? Dont do that again to me Leo? Just realised it was @Raze who originally posted that. Same goes, I don’t need shit like that in my life? seriously hahaha

This is actually really simple to conclude in an expanded enough state. If you get a photograph of Albert Einstein, say for instance up on your phone, you can absolutely realise your imagining your phone, including everything on it, including the photo your looking at of Albert Einstein. Therefore realising that you’ve completely imagined Einstein. The photograph is imaginary in the moment, was never actually taken in the past, in some other place at some other time, it’s just the layers of imagination built on top of each other in the moment type thing, create that solidified realism of Einstein. In every possible way you imagine Einstein to be. It’s pretty straightforward actually, but at the same time so shocking and difficult to unravel. Infact you don’t unravel it, it just unravels itself from a higher state. From this state, it’s almost impossible to see through, and that’s the point. But a lot easier to understand when in this state, once realised from a higher state

@Tim R Spot on. Not directly connected to this question, but I had a dream within a dream last night. I went to bed in the dream, fell asleep and astral projected from that supposed sleeping dream body, so became lucid as I knew was astral projecting, fucked about a bit went on some travels. Reawakened from the projection back into the dream body. Convinced it was real life, lost my lucidity and became wrapped up in the dream again convinced it was reality. Only then to awaken in my bed this morning into this reality. Gobsmacked I’d fallen for it. Then lay there for a few minutes gobsmacked at the fact I’m now falling for this too?. And still falling for it now as I type out this. As this is now what feels real. Previous awakenings enable me to know this is not the case. But I’m still locked in it because as Leo says, I’m imagining it so fucking hard. Out of ego’s control

The more I’ve thought about this book, the more of a near on impossible task it seems. I mean you can listen to a good audiobook that takes 14-15 hours to complete. That’s a decent sized pretty in depth book for most. Just watching 4 or 5 of Leo’s videos takes you to that sort of length. And 4 or 5 of Leo’s videos would not even scratch the surface of what I’d imagine he’d like to communicate through a book, as in no where near. He’s got hundreds of lengthy videos, and even still through them he’s so much more he wants to communicate. A satisfactory book I’d guess from his perspective to get across entirely what he wants to express would literally have to be like the fucking bible, longer probably. Or otherwise it’s likely to be missing so much of what he wants to write and communicate through it. That is some task for one man. Fair play if he pulls off a book that matches his standards of depth when it comes to this stuff. Id be thinking once he settles into seriously writing this thing he may very well take an extended break from releasing videos. Which would be totally understandable. I wouldn’t be expecting anything to soon I’ve a feeling it may take a very long time to execute it properly. Maybe it’ll happen in a series of books, rather than just one mega thing. That could possibly work. Who knows

That is terrifyingly interesting

It’s a difficult one this one I havnt quite grasped yet. To say POV suggests some form of thinking mind, which a rock clearly doesn’t have. So a rock isn’t just sat there on the road thinking I’m a rock. No sense of self, not a conscious agent. So in the sense we think of a POV that sentient beings have, a rock definitely doesn’t have one. But on the other hand, there’s a structure to a rock, it has an energetic structure to it, it’s made up of atoms, minerals or what have ya. So I would imagine that consciousness would have to take on that particular structure, from within. Therefore actually being a rock. The POV not being that of a knowing POV like a being, but of a particular feeling of energy type thing. Feeling seems like the wrong word. Like just some kind of condensed energy. But consciousness would have to be that rock, for the rock to be. I’m totally speculating here. Personally no experience but i have contemplated it. I’d suggest that those who have taken salvia may have more of an idea on this subject. A lot of them report becoming a particular object. Leo’s mentioned coffee table a lot in the past, and I saw someone on the forum a while back talking about becoming a Pepsi can?. So I’d guess there’s very likely something in it. Ive no doubt it’s discoverable though if you can go deep enough

I just sat on a plane, looking out the window for a couple of hours. And listened to Leo’s episode ‘what is truth’. Just sat there, listened. I’d forgotten how good that episode was. If you listen to that, and you get it in the moment, then this question you ask, doesn’t even become a question. That episode is a thing of beauty when taken in in the right moment. Wonderful

Question is though, do you actually fundamentally realise this? Or is it a surface level thinking of it being the case? If you were genuinely conscious of it during the moment, I’d be very surprised that you’d be posting on here about it at the same time. That would be the last thing on your mind

It’s the same mind set way of thinking, same frame of mind as becoming delusional about conspiracy theories. The process is the same the ego is working in the same manner, only the deception is of a ‘great awakening’ having a marvellous outcome rather than the usual seemingly disastrous outcome of a conspiracy theory. The same game is at play. These people are no more awake than your delusional conspiracy theorist. In short, they’re full of shit!

Cloud cuckoo land you pair

I remember years ago I watched a show where the lottery numbers were predicted. It was a Derren Brown show. Used no form of manifestation or spirituality he doesn’t believe in any of that he thinks is bullshit. Can’t remember exactly how he done it but it seemed seriously impressive. Never ever did quite work out if it was a fiddle or not. No spirituality with his methods though and he openly admits that. He’s a master manipulator and he’s all about manipulating the mind, from a materialist perspective. Does some extraordinary feats by manipulation. The lottery was a little different though I think there was a lot of math used. As I say good few years ago now so can’t remember. But you should look it up and give it a watch

Literally one of the easiest things to accomplish. Simply throughout the day, have a look a your hand for about 10-15 seconds. Just become aware that the construct of your hand is stable. It’s a hand with 5 fingers, count the fingers if ya like. Look away from it, or close your eyes for a few seconds and look back at it. See again that the hand is the same, stable, with no change to its features or whatever, it seems the exact same thing you were just looking at. The stability of this helps you recognise that your in your ordinary life, or maybe just a much more stable dream ?. Anyway, do this about 10 times a day or so. Inevitably, eventually, when in a night dream you’ll do this during the dream, you’ll look at your hand, and concentrate a little, but within about 5 seconds, your hand will morph in some form, a few fingers may start to collapse, or you might grow an extra finger or whatever, right in front of your very eyes. That’s your cue, that’s when you’ll realise, fuck me, this is a dream. You’ll become lucid. Then it’s down to you to hold the dream, to stay in it. There many degrees of lucidity, from just controlling your own self in the dream with the narrative still playing out, to controlling the entire dream itself. The list of what you can do is endless, in a sense you could say it’s infinite. Becoming lucid is one thing, the degree to how lucid is another. But it’s very easy to gain that first experience. Then you can go from there. I learned this years ago and I’d say that technique took me about month before it manifested in a dream and I became lucid for the first time. There’s loads of books that’ll give ya all sorts of advice on how to make the best of being lucid. I read a few but decided it was best to navigate in my own way. Either way, upto you what you do. But I did and still do to a certain extent find it a useful method of investigating reality itself. But that is something for you to learn for yourself. It is that easy though and I reckon within a month, you’ll be lucid. Good luck with that have fun

I think you may mis-read your mate a little. You say he always takes others point of view into consideration and doesn’t fall in to the trap of trying to be always right yet he considers spirituality to be bullshit. This reeks of close mindedness. Just because he’s never satisfied unless he can see how a materialistic construct works, doesn’t make him receptive to other points of view. He may listen, but something tells me his ego will think his point of view is ‘right’. Needing introduced to spirituality in itself shows this, if he was open minded enough he’d have begun investigating himself. Coincidentally I’m re-listening to Leo’s 3 part series on the deconstruction of science. Some of his best work really hits the spot. I’d suggest you have this scientific mate have a watch of that to get his mind spinning, then maybe he’ll open up to the thought of some spirituality and possibly psychedelics

This better be a good video tomorrow leo if your releasing one because this Godzilla guy has lost the plot?. Has been humouring me of late onto everything ? heads gone???

I am absolutely gobsmacked by this. $1600! I literally had exactly the same issue, had the mole removed just 2 days ago. Same shit said it’ll be sent to a lab as he said that’s just the general process with these sorts of things although there’s highly likely nothing to be concerned about. But they do it anyway. No fees just all done through the nhs, infact I’d be surprised if I ever hear anything about it ever again. You Americans get totally scammed with anything and everything within the medical field. Uk nhs proves that empirically. $1600!! Amazing. Stunned