Dazgwny

I can explain that. I can watch a video or read a book and completely understand what is being referred to. I can conceptually totally get it. I can use my mind and conceptually think this into a belief, but I don’t. I can look around right now and put myself in a frame of mind where I can make it seem completely obvious. Yet I am not conscious of it. Therefore I would just be bullshitting myself into believing I had awoken to it. My conclusion is that this is the case for you. You’ve tricked yourself that you have awoken. I genuinely would like to think not, but the way you’ve portrayed this seeming awakening leads me to believe you have. I think your at the total other end of the spectrum as to why Leo took the video down. One end is of those who could potentially have a mental breakdown and the other end is the likes of you, who have taken it on as a belief and created a false awakening from it, which could be as disastrous as the other end of the scale. Just a personal opinion. Take care man

Has he though has he? Or has he just realised and understood what Leo was trying to convey? Like realising he understands what the map is saying but not yet entered the actual terrain. A true realisation is monumentally life shattering and full realisation of solipsism is right at the top end of realisations as such. It’s one thing to understand that what’s being said could seriously be true, a bit of a wtf moment, it’s another to become directly conscious that being the case. I don’t know maybe he has, but my intuition tells me he hasn’t. Would be nice if he has though

When I dream at night there is no loss of this ego. I can sense it’s this exact same ego structure at play. Yes some crazy things might sometimes go down environmentally and circumstantially during the dream, but it’s certainly my waking ego structure that’s at work as the sense of self in the dream. And especially when becoming lucid, that is when my ego really takes over. The dreaming self for me is the exact same self that walks this earth each and every day

Interesting. The only thing I would say is that spira has to have become conscious at some point of another finite mind. Which clearly he hasn’t. Or he would just say so. This means spira is yet to confirm whether there is or isn’t. So he’s going off a belief that there is. Sound to me like he’s gone very very far, but not far enough. I don’t know the absolute answer to this, but most of my deepest awakenings have been very solipsistic. So I’m leaning towards Leo’s revelations. But yet to be totally confirmed without a shadow of a doubt. Which is strange because during my awakenings there is no doubt. But then I come back and my ego creates doubt. What spira suggests is that there’s stuff going on outside of your consciousness. That to me still suggests a sense of separation no matter how subtle, but it’s still there. Up unto now, that goes against my own discoveries

Just because this guy puts it in a post that seems like it can be understood, make sure you don’t believe it. If your not conscious of it, it doesn’t count. It’s easy to say yea that makes sense. But a lot of things make sense. Just because it’s framed well doesn’t make it true. It very well could be true. But until one is conscious of it them very selves, it’s not. Your reality is constructed through beliefs so don’t just be adding another one to it. I’m not saying everyone is, I’m just making sure everyone doesn’t. You know full well when your conscious of something and when your not. If your conscious of something it’s 100% no matter what you want or what feels good or bad to you, it just is what it is. But if your not conscious of it, then it’s not the case

Like what?

I did actually make the point to nahm on here a month or 2 ago that he was always speaking in riddles. I didn’t have a clue half the time but I wasn’t sure if that was on me or on him. Confused me. Seems like a nice genuine guy though and never had any issues with him. Just I didn’t get a lot of his responses. Got to the point where I’d see him respond and I’d instantly just project an image in my minds eye of the riddler from Batman ?. But there’s no doubting he’s a good guy

You just started imagining shit. And then you believed it. It is as simple as that

This is just so tricky. Because to use infinity and time in the same conversation just does not commute. You say then surely you’ll ‘end up living the lives of those I interact with at some point’, so that implies a reference to time, as in one after another after another. But infinity is timeless, it’s one eternal moment that contains the notion of time within it. So it’s not like you will end up this or that, it’s more a case of you already are, right now. You can’t be someone else after you’ve been you. Because this ‘after’ your thinking of, doesn’t actually exist. It will be now, same time, same place, same moment, with the illusion of there being a before and after. I don’t know if this helps with your solipsism question to be honest. I know what I’ve discovered about solipsism and realising the sorts of thing I’ve just mentioned has helped almost cement my current understanding on whether I think it is the case or not. I feel 99% certain of what I think to be the case. But I’m not 100% so I feel it necessary to delve further before an undeniable conclusion is reached for me personally one way or another. I’d like to definitively tell you the answer. But right now I can’t. Good luck with your TOE

Is that even allowed? Bang out of order

Same happens when looking at your own face in a mirror. This is a point when it becomes completely obvious that you are everyone that has, is, and will ever live. And the seeing it in another makes it completely obvious that you are hallucinating every seeming other person in the moment. And everything else that goes with it. There’s nothing really there. But at the same time everything is there. Consciousness solidifies it in an ordinary state, constructs it all so perfectly and consistently. That’s why it’s so hard to see through from an ordinary human state of consciousness. You see and realise you’ve never ever really moved anywhere, that you are infact the whole thing, morphing and changing that creates the seeming moving around moment to moment experience. And a lot lot more but that’s kind of a short way of putting it. I’m guessing though that you already know all this?

Completely speculating here but from an outside perspective it seems like Leo may have outgrown his own creation, as in actualized.org. I don’t mean outgrown teaching the radical things he teaches, but outgrown the current structure and format of the website and his channel. I mean launching these things out for free so any Tom dick an Harry can latch onto them and cause both themselves and him a multitude of bother might not be the way to go abouts this anymore. He did claim in his statement ‘people’ so not necessarily those who are avid followers of the true work involved. But when he says ‘people’ he’s not wrong in saying that, as we well know that 99.9% of the worlds population are genuinely not ready for these sorts of teachings. And his latest deleted video was available, for free, to that whole 99.9%. Maybe, it’s time for a total restructuring of the website and channel, where these deeper more advanced things can be taught. Not exactly sure how that would be done or what the format would be, as I’m no computer internet whizz but I’d imagine it would have its difficulties and would be quite a lot of work. As I said I’m just completely speculating from an outside point of view, I don’t know the guy or any of his thoughts on the matter other than the statement he wrote. One things for sure though that one of, if not his most satisfying thing in life, other than awakening himself, is the teaching of it to HELP others the best he can. And he does a damn good job at it too. Either way, however he decides to move forward is completely his decision and I’m all for however he wants to move the channel forward, if at all. Because what I’ve already gained from it is 2nd to nothing in terms of not just spirituality but also many aspects of life in general. So whatever video is next, it doesn’t really matter, because the guy is free to make whatever choices he wants, as each and every one of us believe we should be able to make whatever choices we want

Whaaaat? This is a travesty it’s gone before I even knew it was there. Can’t argue with his choice though. It would have been nice to have some extra pointers and explanations to use with own realisations and possible future realisations. Just means that this particular subject is going to have to be completely worked out by the individual without some form of help and guidance from leo. It’s always eventually the case anyway it’s all on the individual to verify everything for themselves so I guess no one is really in any a different spot than they were to begin with. With all the work and videos upto this point anyway there’s more than enough to help lead one to clarify the solipsism issue when it arrives during awakening. But the extra video would sure have been good

There’s a really weird peculiar type of awakening you can have. It’s where you see the entire supposed outer world as your very own reflection. So reflective that it can not be explained until experienced. You can’t look at the walls of your home, certainly not other people in the eyes and see anything other than yourself. So your ‘I’ becomes everything, all inward all outward seeming things. So it collapses in and of itself there’s nowhere to look nowhere to go other than just… well that’s an experience, but something that you probably can’t even call an experience. It just is what it is. Your ‘I’ so collapses in on itself that you realise you were never an ‘I’ but that you are the all, and then paradoxically you find yourself as the ultimate ‘I’, the only ‘I’, ant then what the fuck do ya do??‍♂️?. Here you are, doing this, being this. Until you give it up completely. It’s a choice. You don’t realise it’s a choice. But it is. And you choose the dream over the infinite bliss or however you want frame it. Your ‘I’ is the only ‘I’, hence ‘ I AM’

Give over guys. Fuckin hell you don’t have to like the guy to get a monumental gift from the teachings. Personally I’m all for the straightforward nature of these teachings. No beating abouts the bush and when things get self verified time after time you realise that it’s that direct manner that was needed to get you to whatever point it’s helped get you to or you could very well still just be scratching the surfaces and dithering around the edges of particular realisations. The being triggered of his attitude and responses may well be that of a weak mind not up to the challenge. He could be more polite at times and mollycoddle people I guess. But he isn’t, so you either like it or lump it. It is what it is. Use the teachings or don’t. But there really is no benefit to moaning and whining about his presentation or his own revelations. If you can’t verify particular things he teaches, then don’t believe it, if you can, then the verification answers and teaches itself. It’s an individual choice to take in teachings of someone in any walk of life not just spirituality. If you don’t like your sports coach you’ll get away from them and find another one. Simple as. So rather than all this moaning, just get on with it, or don’t

@Vynce Agree. Incorrect wording from me. Let me rephrase. Rather than ‘creates THE profound silence’ should be more along the lines of ‘can create A profound silence’. A silencing of the questions and contemplation is more of what I meant as I was aiming my response at the particular issue at hand. Certainly that silence can be filled with everything you mentioned but that filling of the silence is with freedom to fill it with such things and not monkey mind or questions and contemplation that are zipping through your mind pretty much uncontrollably. Because you have answered all the questions ??

This so obvious. I find it difficult to understand how this sentence cannot be understood. The ultimate understanding creates the profound silence because there’s no more questions to ask. Hence the silence

Only if your referring to ‘you’ as a mere human mind and form. If one has awoken to the true expanse of what ‘you’ truly refers to then it’s clear that ‘YOU’ are the only conscious thing in existence. As you are consciousness itself and not just a part of it, but the whole. So it’s not misleading, it’s true. It only seems misleading until you’ve gone deep enough to realise that the only misleading thing about the phrase is when your misleading yourself

Life is love

Yourself. Your own mind. A reflective illusion

@Raptorsin7 yea but, there’s positive changes, which is all well and good, and then there’s truth, and jp doesn’t help lead you to truth. Well, I guess he could, if you realised he was full of ?. There’s actually some good helpful grains in his work to be fair to him to inspire positive changes in ones life. But again, positivity as a mindset is not the truth of reality

A robot may one day be programmed so well that it uses its programming to mix up different aspects of its programming and creating totally new subsets and displaying different behaviours from its original programming therefore looking like it is making conscious decisions and consciously developing. You may even perceive it as having emotions things like that. I’m no computer whizz so forgive my lack of vocabulary on this subject hence my repetitive use of the word programming. It could very well one day seem that they do, but this is different to having a subjective conscious experience no matter how believable it may seem from a dualistic outside perspective. No computer mechanism/robot I’m afraid will ever be what we claim is a conscious separate entity

To put it simply, no. It’s all a case of how imagination is fooling your ego mind. If you were born in 2100 and there were life like robots knocking around, programmed so well that they seemed to be doing things off their own back, with their own will, all it would take is for you to be told by someone, or even a robot itself, when you were young that they are real and have their own separate consciousness. That would lock it in that they were conscious and then all the same problems would arise later in life when you embarked on a spiritual journey let’s say. I mean let’s face it, you can go deep enough to realise your doing the exact same thing with humans. Just look how difficult that is to breakdown. If you imagine at a deep enough level that a computer/robot is a separate conscious entity, then that will be the case, or it will certainly seem to be the case in your ordinary everyday waking state. Hell you could quite easily imagine it right now at a pretty surface level of imagine and fool your ego mind that’s the case. So, from what I can tell from my own experiences upto this point, is that a computer can not become conscious, but that you can become conscious that you are the computer. Exactly the same as with other human beings if you enter a high enough state. So your question starts on the wrong footing, it’s entirely backwards to what’s actually going on. Which is part of the great trick of God to convince itself that things are completely opposite and in duality to what is actually the case. Another performance of absolute perfection from God to make things seem as they seem. And that God… well that, is YOU!

This is a decent short answer. You arnt a person dreaming. You are the dream, the whole dream. The person that you think you are is a reference point you’ve given yourself to give the impression and illusion of being within the dream looking out at something else, ‘other’. The great trick is that you then believe full on 100% that is what you are, and only what you are. The whole point is for you to discover that your the whole dream, just empty infinite imagination. And that just so happens to be love. Infinite love. God loves to rediscover itself for the infinite beauty that it is. It does this by becoming the reference point that is you, limiting itself to what seems a finite being, and revealing itself to itself

This is the barrier that information delivered in language format hits limits. Language is limited. You need to open your mind more rather than just taking his words at face value. It’s where when listening, you’ve got to use a bit of nous, and read between the lines. You have to interpret for yourself. Not necessarily with your own wording, because your wording is limited as well as his of course. But by realising what is being said, which by realising you don’t always need words and language to just get something. Your interpreting duality, but expecting non duality. Hence why he will say ‘ I am you’ for the benefit of yourself the listener, and from his perspective he would claim ‘you are me’. He’s clearly stated this in the past, ‘I am you and you are me’, identical… that is one, not two