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For me, that's linear, empirical (or First-tier) thinking that believes in concepts such as infinity. Infinity is voguish belief topic among the object-ive minded. Theories of infinite space, time, and quantity are just more object-ive math. Definitions of infinity are related or relative to the concept of immeasurability in space, time, or quantity. However, if there is no space, time, or quantity, as implied by quantum cosmology, then there is no infinity. In contrast, the word eternity points to that which is without beginning or end, timelessness beyond the perception of space, time, and quantity. Recognizing the difference between infinity and eternity is inevitable for those shifting towards an earnest spiritual viewpoint and subsequently a clearer understanding of consciousness. Time and eternity are contradictions. The glorification of empirical evidence by Priests of Science encourages a potentially incurable neurosis for humanity. Nothing wrong with empirical evidence if understood in its proper place, that is, empiricism is based on objects that ultimately do not exist. Empirical evidence is skandha evidence. The skandhas (or five aspects that constitute the sentient beingness) do not exist, that is, do not stand alone, thus are not real. To observe a thing solely by way of the senses is to perceive an object-ive, crystallized, segregated reality that undermines all solutions. This is why physicists have yet to define light. Their ability to know has been impaired through belief systems, such as the concept of empirical knowledge. Empiricism is derived from an ego-governed intellect, which filters observation and impedes direct experience. Experience born of belief, can only be experienced through the condition that belief. Yet science is motivated to believe what they do through empirical data. "Man's present civilization is erected upon the foundation of empirical knowledge obtained through his senses. In other words, the so-called "knowledge" upon which man relies is founded upon the evidence of his senses, or more simply, upon the nonexistent waves of motion of a nonexistent substance." Walter Russell. Empiricism is a paradigm based on the 6 senses. "As man unfolds from sensed man to spiritual man he gradually becomes aware of the two-way motion of all effect" - Walter Russell. "the ego is a monkey catapulting through the jungle; totally fascinated by the realm of the senses....if anyone threaten it, it actually fears for its life. Let this monkey go. Let the senses go." Lao-tzu "Do not seek it in the visible, or you'll be at it forever with no real results. It's not visible, it's not part of the senses, it's before the senses, prior to the senses." - Bentinho Massaro "you think the material universe is all there is? What mysteries lie beyond the reach of your senses? Who are you Dr Strange?" Ancient One; Dr Strange 2016 "Love can never dominate the world until man ceases to live a primarily sensed existence and knows the Light of the spirit within him" - Walter Russell "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates “All that I have tried to understand to the present time has been affected by my senses; now I know these senses are deceivers, and it is prudent to be distrustful after one has been deceived once.” René Descartes

Actually, wisdom is associated with age,...wisdom an accumulation of knowledge through sensory experience (acquired through sight, sound, taste, touch, smell, and thought),...wisdom is the highest and most lofty ideas of that ego experience. Wisdom literally means knowledge accumulated through philosophic or scientific learning. In other words, wisdom points to the highest and most lofty ideas of ego consciousness, whose sole purpose is to sustain itself. Wisdom is to make the best use of knowledge,...yet to realize enlightenment means to let go of all knowledge. Knowledge is acquired through thinking/the Head-mind,...mental inertia,...the truth arises from gnowledge/the Heart-Mind. An Awakened being has no use of wisdom. Gnowledge or prajna is not tied to age or human experience. LfcCharlie4 says he posts from Direct Experience,...however I'm not reading that in your posts,...all I'm getting is lots Conditioned Experience that pivots from hope or anticipation for future status. "In terms of experience of reality" - LfcCharlie4. YES!!! Let's discuss that. "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates There is no denying that LfcCharlie4 has had "multiple awakenings, as I am personally sick of seeing teachers who aren’t finished seeking, the world is full of enough of them." Fortunately I'm not a teacher for you to seek your disgust upon. To me, teaching would be among the most dishonest of positions. "The purest teachings usually come from teachers who are not surrounded and supported by followers or an organization. Books of a pure teacher never had a wide audience." Dr. Stanley Sobottka If your (LfcCharlie4 )Letting Go is contingent on your definition of absolutely everything, then your definition of absolutely everything must not include very much. I've not once said as you argue that I have a "superiority complex" or saying I'm a "tier two thinker ." Nevertheless, seems I've tweaked your mental inertia more than just a bit. Of course your fall-back position is that you "have a life to live,:...an excellent Tell that your awakenings are all within the lower 6 substance levels,...and that's great,...I'm not belittling your shifts from SD 4 to SD 5. I simply don't relate with that stuff,...like when your meet a couple with young children and all they resonate with is their children's activities and dreams. And that's great you want to "build a business and become a teacher who gives transmissions,"...I recall the day when I realized that nearly all "transmissions" from Lineage Holders since the 13th century were BS. Nine months after my first awakening (of which I'm not referring to SD 9), I retired,...the Universe was not here for me (to build a business and become a teacher of transmissions) but I was here for the Universe. That's what Absolute Letting Go is about. Something more akin to Somerset Maugham's Razor's Edge or Gurdjeiff's All and Everything. Twenty years old is a great time of life,...at 19 I read an awesome (IMO) quote that fully altered my then perspective about things,...."Soon we all will die; our hopes and fears will be irrelevant” - Padmasambhava I didn't want to wait until death to potentially be relevant. So at 19, began focusing on the nature of hope and fear. "In order to obliterate the mind that grasps appearances as real, and to realize the true way of things, without hope and fear, shall give rise to bodhicitta." Jigme Lingpa, The Dakini's Laughter Ego loves to focus on not having fear,....but what sustains fear is hope,...and ego adores hope. True spirituality focuses on the liberation from hope. hope n. from ME. hopa, an expectation. 1. expectation of something desired; anticipation of some future event. 2. a guess or belief. 3. that which gives hope; a substance or object hoped for; an expected payoff. Is there a more dishonest, perniciousness word than hope? No matter what level we wish to view it from, hope is false. Hope is an anticipation of the future; thus it must arise from a predisposition, a belief, and attachment to the past. Hope implies lack,...how else could we possibly define it? Hope is for something we think we don't possess. How could hope ever be expressed through an Open-Mind or Open-Heart ? The belief of hope is a barrier that obscures the present. If our attention is on seeking hope, how are we to ever experience the immediacy required to be in the Present? “the highest goal is being devoid of hope and fear…. And when all hopes and fears have died, the Goal is reached.” Tilopa Ego likes to believe that "consciousness" is individual, separate from all other "consciousnesses." The relative reality is that the body (which is NOT part of the Whole) has levels of Conscious Awareness. As Easterners say, we are not in our bodies, our bodies are inside us. I agree that Ramana and Nisgardatta are interesting reading,....I consumed such interesting fellows in my youth,...not for seeking,...but as how they explained their experiences. Many, many have unfortunately adopted the paradigms of Advaita or Nonduality,...belief systems that will keep one in the 3rd density - 6th density Loop. I don't know what SD Stage Friedrich Nietzsche was at,...perhaps a high functioning Yellow (SD 7),...however, this quote of his is a gateway is Turquoise (SD 8).... "Whoever has the blood of theism in his veins, stands from the start in a false and dishonest position to all things."

Yes,...reasoned argument with First-tier thinkers is usually difficult,...however, discussion with First-tier thinkers who believe they are Second-tier is futile. About V Panetta: Not interested in personal truths, Me Stories, nor empirical beliefs,... "Man's present civilization is erected upon the foundation of empirical knowledge obtained through his senses. In other words, the so-called "knowledge" upon which man relies is founded upon the evidence of his senses, or more simply, upon the nonexistent waves of motion of a nonexistent substance." Walter Russell. LfcCharlie4,...I can understand that you're fixated on particular paradigms, and have difficulty with "endless people quote,"...a comment that's a sure tell of your level of Conscious Awareness,...however, maintaining FMS (false memory syndrome) regarding what I write, such as that "you referred to books as your main source of info," is imaginary on your part. Actually, my posts have said that I seldom read books,...and don't recall reading one this century,...although I've written three. Usually notice quotes following direct experience,...I actually don't think much. What's going on here seems to be what is called projection,...you have yet to experience Unfeigned Surrender, and instead are suggesting I haven't because of my use of quotes,...which makes it obvious that you have yet to Let Go. I'll tell you about my first Letting Go,...the beginning part (not what occurred for the 9-10 hours afterwards),...it was December 1974,...without any hope or expectation, over the period of a week, I gave away or threw away all my possessions, which included $thousands worth of camera and stereo equipment,...wrote thank you notes,...and an end of life (or suicide) note,...and without Gods, things divine, or imaginary guardians for protection,....Let Go. No jumping into fire, nor an abyss,...no visuals are included in real Letting Go. más allá del Finisterre,...(Beyond the End of the Known World). It's a shame that you appear to have not read even one of my posts,...but instead entered them with a predisposition about responding through your book knowledge which you cling to for your identity, but hide by way of imagined stories of what letting go is. Experience born of belief can only be experience through the conditions of that belief,...thus not a Direct Experience. All belief must be Let Go to have a direct experience, even the desire for a direct experience. Any expectation tethers you to the past.

You should try Leo's "Understanding how Paradigms work" and why you believe they don't apply to you. LOL I've enjoyed Ramana many, many years ago,...good insight on non-duality,...but his belief in Oneness prevented him from Spiral Dynamics 8. Sentient Beings are fixated on Oneness,...which is a delusion. "The person who gathers knowledge through the six senses is categorized by the Buddha as a lunatic." Sabbe Putajjana Unmattaka. "Those who are greatly deluded about enlightenment are sentient beings." Dōgen Yes,....Brahma, God, Creator, Allah, all things Divine are of the One. “He who thinks of mind in terms of One or Many casts away the light and enters delusion” - Saraha This is not an attempt to change your mind,...unlike SD Yellow, your post don't appear open to learning at any time and from any source, like bees that gather nectar from many flowers, but rather seeking what fits your paradigms. That isn't an insult,....few Sentient Beings recognize their level of Conscious Awareness. "Sensing is but an electric tension set up by the seeming division of one into many which "strain" to fulfill their desire for oneness" - Walter Russell Only sentient beings believe in Oneness. Spiritual Beings realize that One and Many are of the same Dream Loop. Brahma, God, Creator, Allah, all things Divine,... ARE NOT,...nor synonymous with The Tao, Tathagata, Source, nor the Still Fulcrum upon which the One Lever and Negative-Positive Electricity moves. Most those who partake of tryptamines, and bring their beliefs along, usually see "God" and Oneness...like wearing Persinger's Helmet. "Aristotle believed in a prime mover, a god that moves the sun and moon and objects through space, and that with such a belief, one cannot possibly understand the laws of gravitation or inertia. Isaac Newton saw through that and developed a workable gravitational theory; however, his belief in absolute time prevented him from formulating a theory of relativity. Einstein, however, saw through that and thought in terms of relative time. Therefore, he formulated his famous theory of general relativity, yet his own beliefs could not accept pure randomness in subatomic physics and thus barred him from understanding the consequences of quantum mechanics." Jim Walker, The Problems with Beliefs Walter Russell's devotion to his God resulted in the greatest flaw in presenting an eliquent understanding of the nature of the universe; because when taken further, Undivided Light is proof that no God exists. Likewise, Gabrielle Roth's belief in a God prevented her from understanding Who's Who in Duality, and thus her Terma treasure, the greatest gift to humanity in nearly a millennia, stalled within the 6th level of spiral Dynamics. "Each paradigm will be shown to satisfy more or less the criteria that it dictates for itself." Thomas S. Kuhn And a point about Osho. Most haven't grasped that there was no Osho before November 1984, when he was, according to his words, the liar Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Then, after his "period of silence" he emerged as Osho. The many books and lectures before November 1984 have been altered to Osho,...and hence the liar Rajneesh (SD 7) is fused with Osho (SD 8). Westerners prefer the pre-Nov 1984 Rajneesh. A key to SD 8, as mentioned in a post above (that was of course skip over) is to uncover a single Absolute Truth,...in fact I even left one for you. When you can pivot from an Absolute Truth,...which is always absent of belief,....your paradigms will fall apart. "Relative and absolute, These the two truths are declared to be. The absolute is not within the reach of intellect, For the intellect is grounded in the relative." -Shantideva

LOL....when you take the momentous leap beyond the Pyramid of Needs, you realize that you have no authority,...the universe is not here for you, you are here for the universe. One cannot bring their conditions into the Unconditional,...although New Agers often believe that the authority of their conditions can enter the Unconditional, and miraculously the Unconditional remains Unconditional with their conditions and personal truth. LOL If those reading my post above on Non-Meditation are misled by quotes from Lao-Tzu, Hui Neng, Wei Wu Wei, Saraha, Tilopa, Khadro-la, Kyergangpa Chökyi Senge, Kunje Gyalpo, Jigme Lingpa, etc.,...and let go of their mental inertia for Heart-Mind (being in unfabricated present awareness), that wouldn't be such a terrible thing,...except for the meditators who desire others to be addicted like them. Ever see the Osho youtube: "anyone who gives you a belief system is your enemy"

Awakenings? What does that mean? From one point of view, those who are actually Awake have said that meditation is like opium,...and anyone who has used opium knows they have massive awakenings when so induced. Be Awake however is something much different,...but let's not go there,...how about Truth Realization? Are you aware of a single absolute truth,...something like,...there is no Present n time? Truth Realization only needs a single truth. “Two truths cannot contradict one another” - Galileo Galilei Personal truths are always lies.

I've checked them out,...High Functioning Caterpillars teaching Caterpillars how to be Butterflies. "99.9% of the World's so-called wisdom, East and West, for the purposes of awakening, is about as useful as a glass of warm spit with a hair in it." Jed McKenna

If that is accurate,... that there ultimately are no others,... then the quotes I use shouldn't offend you as dogma. Those fixated on dogma still have a foot in SD 4,...which is partially why I love using quotes,...how people respond to them is a "tell" of their level of conscious awareness. The quotes I use are never OUT OF CONTEXT with the context in which I'm using them. Using quotes both distances me from the label of being a teacher, and they often irritate narrow-minded people. Overall I'd like to connect with those who catch the point of the message, instead of drifting off with some predispositions about the messenger. Many see a quote, and immediately form judgments about the user or the author of quote, and yet for those serious about Higher Conscious awareness, a quote is only discerned within the context the user was using it. Serious seekers don't get obsessed over a messenger or user of a quote,...serious seekers look at the quote, and note if it (not the author or user) has value to the conversation. You could, if you wished, uncover much from the quote (dogma) you use....We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time. --T.S Eliot One must be cautious with quotes from theists like Eliot however,.... "Whoever has the blood of theism in his veins, stands from the start in a false and dishonest position to all things." Friedrich Nietzsche

On the contrary,...meditation is great for those on the Long Paths (see Paul Brunton's notebooks),...my intent here is to see if there are any Kindred Spirits focused on Waking Up. Yes,...of course,...many believe that meditation has "clear benefits" that satisfy their current paradigm fixations,...that's great,...I'm not trying to change the world,...nor any interest in Waking others up. However,...I'd love to dialogue with those uncovering Truth Realization. "Contradictions in perspective among those Seeing the profound do not occur" – Taranatha.

To fuse "god" or things "divine" with yourself, condemns you to the One/Duality Loop,...cycles of perceived births and death,...locked into the 6th Density. Yes,...Brahma, God, Creator, Allah, all things Divine are of the One. “He who thinks of mind in terms of One or Many casts away the light and enters delusion” - Saraha Only sentient beings believe in Oneness, and things divine. "Sensing is but an electric tension set up by the seeming division of one into many which "strain" to fulfill their desire for oneness" - Walter Russell A story says that a Brahman saw the Buddha resting under a tree. The Brahman was impressed with the Buddha's way. He asked, "Are you a god?" "No, Brahman, I'm not a god." "Are you an angel?" "No", replied the Buddha. "You must be a spirit then?" "No, I'm not a spirit," said the Buddha. "Then what are you?" "I'm awake." To be AWAKE,...is far, far better than being locked or fused with god. There’s a story in the Kevatta Sutta of a talented monk who wanted to find out the answer to the question, “Where do the four elements cease without remainder?” Through meditation he reached the Heaven of the Four Great Kings, who did not know the answer. Next he went to the thirty three gods in a higher Desire Realm heaven, but none of these rulers knew either. He then asked King Sakka (Indra), the king of these gods, but Sakka did not know the answer. Up and up he went asking all sorts of gods at each and every higher level. Finally he came to Great Brahma, the Creator, Uncreated, Knower of All. When the monk finally achieved an audience with Great Brahma, Brahma appeared in all his majesty and glory announcing, "I am Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be." The monk then humbly and respectfully asked his question, but all Great Brahma did was repeat, "I am Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be." The monk eventually got frustrated and said, “I know you are "Great Brahma, the Conqueror, the Unconquered, the All-Seeing, All-Powerful, the Lord, the Maker and Creator, the Ruler, Appointer and Orderer, Father of All That Have Been and Shall Be," but I asked you a question about where the four elements cease without remainder. The Great Brahma replied, “Listen little monk, don’t embarrass me. All these other gods are listening and think I know everything. If you want to know the answer to a question like that, don’t ask me. I don’t know the answer. For a question like that, you have to go ask the Buddha.” Do you get it?

Whoa! Transcendence is not in the Pyramid of Needs. The "best method" for realization is Unfeigned Surrender,...which doesn't mean let go and let god. "You abandon completely all belief; you abandon every sort of way of hanging onto life. You accept your complete impermanence; the prospect of your death of vanishing into nothing whatsoever, you see, and of not being able to control anything, of being at the mercy of what is completely other than you, and you let go of that, you see, this means that you even get rid of any God whatsoever, to do it fully. You don't have a thing left to cling to." Alan watts Or as McKenna said, ,..."Go jump off a cliff. Don’t go near the cliff and contemplate jumping off. Don’t read a book about jumping off. Don’t study the art and science of jumping off. Don’t join a support group for jumping off. Don’t write poems about jumping off. Don't cling to a parachute as you jump off. Don't let people tell you it takes 10 years of training to jump off. Don’t kiss the ass of someone else who jumped off. Just jump." I've not heard of an Awakened Being advocate meditation. (Buddha, Tilopa, Lao-Tzu, Hui Neng, Saraha, Wei Wu Wei, etc.) Meditation is however, an excellent way for teachers to find financial support,...with promises of awakening that will never arrive. In Buddhism, the Long Paths of Theravada/Hinayana and Mahayana are into meditation,...they believe that meditation will help one to get into a better place for Awakening in future lifetimes. The Short Path, Awakening in a single lifetime is about Non-Mediation. Non-Meditation begins in the Heart,...not the heart pump,...but the Heart Center, associated with the thymus,...gnowing, not knowing. Books are not very primary to my uncovering. But I'll often come upon a quote after an experience. I like using quotes,...my last book is a Collage of quotes for the Integration of the Feminine. The Feminine of duality is not a gender of Form, but the Wave of a Particle. I view Spiral Dynamics as a very help tool to identify your current level of Conscious Awareness,...AND a model that shows the extent of Human Potential. "We have to learn to know what rhythm we're in, how to ride with it, how to shift; to sense what rhythm others are in, and how the different rhythms are complementary or discordant" - Gabrielle Roth. "What Rhythm are you in?" Jonathan Horan "Everything in the universe has a rhythm; everything dances" Maya Angelou "Where are you on the potentially endless wave of human evolution?" Ken Wilbur I first read Maslow in college in the 70's. Loved it. Was blown away in the 80's when Joseph Campbell said he had one Peak experience,...knowing he was going to win a school track-n-field event. At that time I already had more than a thousand, not counting knowing where a parking spot would be. However, as I not met Campbell, nor seen any of his personal communications, wouldn't guess as to Spiral Dynamic level,...although would imagine at least a High Functioning Green. I did however observe the psuedo Buddhist Thich Nhat Hanh, who grew a business giving Westerners what they want, and am quite sure he is a High Functioning Green. The 4 books of his that I forced myself to review showed no level of competence in regards to love, compassion, emptiness, nor any understanding of Christainity or Buddhism which he continually attempts to merge for his faith-based Western supporters. There are MANY Caterpillars teaching Caterpillars to be Butterflies today.

Yes,...the Moon is called the "divine feminine" by believers in the Patriarchy (see my above post to explain). All things "divine" are of the Patriarchy. Yang men and their yangized women want the objectified Form of the female, but not her depth,.... Emptiness/Wave/Yin,...and the embodyment of the Feminine Face of Awakening "is about being born into a new frequency that gives birth to something that has not been really lived and expressed on a mass scale in the history of humanity" - Amoda Maa Jeevan

Allow me to help you out..... What most call spirituality belongs to mentally constructed beliefs centered on ego values and meanings. As Ken Wilbur said, "The Conspiracy of mediocrity has become that if I can really emote and express my self-constriction with sincerity, I'm somehow spiritual. Spirituality is often associated with beliefs like Christianity, fasting and cleansing, Qabalah, meditation, mysticism, New Age, religion, Travel, Wicca, etc. Adding the term Spirituality to any of those beliefs creates an oxymoron. Authentic spirituality and individuality/Personal Truths/Me Stories/etc., cannot co-exist. "If you wish to unite with the heart and mind of the Mysterious Mother, you must integrate yin and yang within." Lao-tzu The Golden Flower of Tantrayana isn’t about going inward, but uncovering the cyclical nature of the inner interacting with the outer. In Tantrayana, yang is said to descend from above (compression, converging, contracting), developing the outward shape of the penis. While yin ascends from below (expansion, diverging, dispersing) and manifests the inward shape of the vagina. The patrifocused propaganda of self-proclaimed visionaries, who expound on the perennial wisdom of the patriarchy as if it's something sacred, continue to contribute to the absurd misunderstandings of duality. One visionary, author of twelve published books, and beloved in the New Age community, wrote that male yang is “explosive, centrifugal, warming, destructuring, and dissipating, while the female yin is implosive, centripetal, cooling, structuring, and integrative.” These are ego statements, based on a biased human-centric preference, not nature’s reality. How is dissipating or destructuring, warming? They're not. Dissipating and destructuring is centrifugal, thus cooling. Yang's heat is by way of compressive, implosive, structuring, moving towards. Yin is about expanding, destructuring, moving away. New Age people, because of their lack of spirituality, encourage ideas of a world in which oxymorons are considered meaningful. "Intermixing or attributing Yin characteristics to Yang or vice versa because someone feels that feminine energy should be, and masculine energy destructuring is disingenuous. Most view the Feminine as a gender of Form, indoctrinated by hook and crook to hide the essence of the Utmost Feminine, the familiarity of which has been thoroughly suppressed to conceal the essence of Yin or yoni from being recognized. A metaphor of two feminine's, the utmost feminine, and a false or simulated patriarchal feminine, can be analogized from Middle Eastern creation myths. The Elohim created man in Their own image, in the image of the Elohim They created him; male and female they were created (Genesis 1:26–27). Ancient Mesopotamian lore says the first couple were Adam and Lilith, who were both created at the same time from the same clay. After which, the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. "Some time following the 'creation' (in Genesis 2) Adam was alone and lonely." And the Elohim caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and They took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof. And the rib, which the Elohim had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Most Christians, Muslims, and Jews believe that Adam and Eve were created at the same time, yet nowhere in their texts does it say that. After we learn that creation was complete, yang is lonely and without a partner in Genesis 2:21-23; so the Elohim put the yang male to sleep, and from him fabricated a subservient helper called Eve, who unlike the authentic Yin, was made in Yang's image, not in the image of the Elohim, or Plural One, thus being a yinish yang, not the real Yin. Eve is a gender of Form,...Lilith is the Wave of a Particle. Elohim is plural for God; the first singular god does not appear until Exo 2,...in other words, the plural term Gods is used 2570 times in the OT, although when put in written form, were mostly attached to singular verbs. The first female according to older Mesopotamian stories was Lilith; a dark, yin, sky flyer; naked, with wings, created equal with the male Adam, the bright yang. Free of original sin, she is the primal feminine aspect in Nature. Eve, the bright maid of yang, was a wo-man, made from yang, in the image of yang, as a femininized gender of man, formed out of his flesh, born of the patriarchy, to serve the patriarchy; thus leading humanity to believe that the female is of earth, and the male is really of above. This revisionism and disinformation by the supporters of patriarchal thought, have scrupulously shrouded the real essence of Yin,...and by consequence, real Yang. Authentic Spirituality is the recognition of the in-breath/Form/Particle/Yang, and out-breath/Empty/Wave/Yin of the energy of duality.

I have no interest in things divine,...but fully interested in the Ultimate Feminine,...the Yin energy of duality,...and Who's Who in duality. Your duality is VERY mixed up,...a personal belief about patriarchal constructs, not the actual energy characteristics of duality. Although you may not be interest, I'll leave a list for anyone who might be. In the list,...your divine devil and lucifer would both be on the right,...the Yang side. wave ... particle centrifugal........centripetal yin ... yang dark ... bright empty ... form torus ... sphere inside to outside ... outside to inside spiral out ... spiral in levity ... gravity moving away ... moving towards expansion ... compression dispersing ... contracting diverging ... converging radiative ... generative cooling ... warming spiral out ... spiral in unwinding ... winding unstructuring ... structuring explosive ... implosive dissipating ... accumulating unfolding ... folding radial motion ... axial motion disintegrating ... integrating vacuity ... density Mother Sky ... Father Earth exhalation ... inhalation moving away ... moving toward calcite ... quartz discharging ... charging ultra-violet ... infra-red high frequency ... low frequency conduction ... induction cooling ... heating

Yes,...looks like meditation is for you. Bravo! As for Radical Transformation,....that's another subject,...one in which meditation has no part. I'm not here seeking to upset meditator's obsession with their practice,...it's a very addictive behavior, and sentient beings like sticking with things that soothe and medicate,...which is something that more than 95% of humanity engage in. My intent here is to commune with those interested in Self-Actualization and Self-Transcendence,...not to make enemies with those who identify with the substance levels of Spiral Dynamics. This is a large reason why I use quotes,...so not to tread on other Personal Truths. I'm not into Personal Truths,...nor Me Stories,...or other mental inertia. However, I'm certainly interested in Radical Transformation,...as McKenna said: "I can assure you, that anyone who has ever managed to awaken from the dream state was drive by unendurable mental and emotional forces,...many people can build nuclear reactors, compose symphonies, conquer nations, or can perform brain surgery, but very few can see what is. Spiritual awakening is about discovering what’s true. Anything that’s not about getting to the truth must be discarded. Truth isn’t about knowing things; you already know too much. It’s about unknowing. It’s not about becoming true; it’s about unbecoming false so that all that’s left is truth." That's not dogma,...or a system of beliefs,...but points to the end of beliefs. Meditation (as the quotes in my page 4 post state) is not about about uncovering truth. "Two truths cannot contradict one another” - Galileo Galilei

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What is the Momentous Leap to Turquoise (SD 8)? Although very few ever realize the Great Juncture of Spiritual Awareness,...or the goal of Turquoise,..."to surrender to the spiritual dimension underlying all Form,"...it's a subject which should be fused with all others, so that at least there's a mental recognition of Who's Who in Duality. Spirit,...the in-breath/out-breath, particle/wave of duality,...is the primal energy manifested at the moment of perceived separation whose sole motive is to regain unity, which it can never do, because the separation never occurred,...except for the beliefs that Dreamers cloak themselves in. A circa 48 CE Gnostic text says,..."when you can disrobe without being ashamed and take up your garments (beliefs) and place them under your feet like little child and tread on them, then you will no longer be afraid". Unfortunately, "People don't like their version of reality fucked with." Jed McKenna. Very few will welcome the letting go of their beliefs, their mental inertia, their paradigm fixations. Visualize a keyhole for a moment, one of those slotted holes that can be peeped through, as in old Colonial and Victorian houses. Now, describe that hole. Some may say that it has the shape of a circle with a rectangle whose width is smaller than the diameter of the circle aligned on the bottom; others could respond that the hole is surrounded by a brass plate that is attached to the door, which is connected to the wall, etc. Perhaps the hole could be looked through, so one could remark about what is seen on the other side. However, none of that actually describes the hole; all of the preceding descriptions are narratives about what is around or can be seen through the hole. Nevertheless, that is how most persons, especially Westerners and scientists, perceive their own wholeness: by what is around it. The Great Leap to Turquoise (SD 8) includes the realization of emptiness. "Without a direct realization of emptiness, the true practice of compassion is impossible." Shantideva "Buddhist teachings on compassion are grounded in the direct realization of emptiness; without which, compassion is impossible." HH Dalai Lama "The root of your spirituality is rotten without compassion." Padmasambhava. "The only compassion is that which destroys the illusion of separation." Tony Parsons "Sometimes we think that to develop an open heart, to be truly loving and compassionate, means that we need to be passive, to allow others to abuse us, to smile and let anyone do what they want with us. Yet this is not what is meant by compassion. Quite the contrary. Compassion is not at all weak. It is the strength that arises out of seeing the true nature of the world." - Sharon Salzberg "Everybody thinks that compassion is important, and everyone has compassion. True enough, but the Buddha gave uncommon quintessential instructions when he taught the methods for cultivating compassion, and the differences are extraordinarily important." Kenchen Thrangu Rinpoche. Religion cannot teach emptiness, thus it cannot recognize compassion. "As man unfolds from sensed man to spiritual man he gradually becomes aware of the two-way motion of all effect" - Walter Russell. "Both the wisdom of emptiness (prajna) and compassion (karuna) are very important, like two wings of a [butterfly]; their integration is indispensable for inner awakening." Anam Thubten, Fragrance of Emptiness. "The realization of emptiness and compassion arise simultaneously.' Padmasambhava

I had a thought like that back in the 70's,...is everyone around me awake?....pondered on it for perhaps months,...it was a great introduction point for me to consider what is called the Absolute Bodhicitta proverb: Regard everything you perceive as a dream. From there,...why Socrates said "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" began to be understood. "The senses do not know, but man believes that his senses do know--and in that belief lies man's confusion" - Walter Russell

For those seeking Spiritual Awakening, Truth Realization, Bodhicitta, etc.,...yes, meditation is useless. However, if you seek to sustain your paradigm within the 6 lower substance levels of Spiral Dynamics, then meditation is helpful in keeping one asleep. "Do you think you can clear your mind by sitting constantly in silent meditation? This makes your mind narrow, not clear." Lao-Tzu Huahujing “If your purpose is to medicate dukkha,...then meditate. If your wish is bodhi,...practice absolute bodhicitta.” a Chan saying. Hui Neng said that meditation is unnecessary, and warned that such practice can easily become a narcotic. "After Buddha's passing away, monks and nuns only emphasized meditation; there was no interest in studying the teachings." Anam Thubten I totally laugh every time I see an image of Buddha meditating,...what reason would a Buddha have meditating? Historically, Siddhartha Gautama was near dead from meditation when a young girl named Sujata (likely a dakini) offered him some food (perhaps rice cooked in milk). Some say a state of appreciation filled him from this meal, and others as he recovered his physical strength, through a state of appreciation, he realized the nature of Dependent Origination from which suffering arises. Meditation is a fabulous tool for training the mind to interact with time in a different way. Non-meditation uncovers that which is beyond time; the Present,... Heart-Mind,...to place yourself in unfabricated present awareness. No practice can create the Present,...because all practices are in the past. "Rest in the ease of non-meditation.” Saraha "We teach meditation, or quieting the mind, because it is really easier to teach you to have no thoughts, than to teach you to have pure, positive thought. We would rather you be in a state of appreciation, than in a state of meditation, because in appreciation you uncover Source." Esther Hicks "Meditation is a Long Path activity. Devotee’s are concerned with learning how to concentrate their thoughts in the practice of meditation, and later even with meditation itself. Short Path practitioners practice Non-Meditation" - Paul Brunton “Many people like meditation. But it is not very constructive or useful. It does not decrease our negative mindsets of anger, attachments, etc. It does not increase our qualities of kindness, truthfulness and wisdom. So, we might be able to sit still single-pointedly for four or five hours, but what’s the point? It’s like a pigeon!” Khadro-la "Meditation, yoga, or one of the many so-called spiritual activities has little to do with liberation from delusion, and everything do to with their desperation to escape busy, unhappy lives, and heartfelt longing for a healthy, stress-free, happy life" Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche "In a state of non-meditation, you attain Mahamudra." Tilopa "Free yourself from meditation, practice non-meditation" - Kyergangpa Chökyi Senge "The practice of meditation is represented by the three monkeys, who cover their eyes, ears and mouths so as to avoid the phenomenal world. The practice of non-meditation is ceasing to be the see-er, hearer or speaker while eyes, ears and mouths are fulfilling their function in daily life." - Wei Wu Wei "in my regard there is no view on which to meditate" - Kunje Gyalpo "The state of non-meditation is born in the heart...." Jigme Lingpa A Master does not teach meditation,...teachers teach meditation,...a Master is an awakener.

On the contrary,...meditation does not uncover bodhicitta. Meditation is a medication. It's an opiate. And yes,...I can understand that those who have invested many hours and even years sitting get very disturbed with how Masters view meditation. "A real Master is not a teacher: a real Master is an awakener." One doesn't Awaken, nor realize Bodhicitta through meditation. "After Buddha's passing away, monks and nuns only emphasized meditation; there was no interest in studying the teachings." Anam Thubten I totally laugh every time I see an image of Buddha meditating,...what reason would a Buddha have meditating? Historically, Siddhartha Gautama was near dead from meditation when a young girl named Sujata (likely a dakini) offered him some food (perhaps rice cooked in milk). Some say a state of appreciation filled him from this meal, and others as he recovered his physical strength, through a state of appreciation,...non-meditation,...he realized the nature of Dependent Origination from which suffering arises. Meditation is a fabulous tool for training the mind to interact with time in a different way. Non-meditation uncovers that which is beyond time; the Present. Heart-Mind,...to place yourself in unfabricated present awareness. No practice can create the Present,...because all practices are in the past. "Rest in the ease of non-meditation.” Saraha "We teach meditation, or quieting the mind, because it is really easier to teach you to have no thoughts, than to teach you to have pure, positive thought. We would rather you be in a state of appreciation, than in a state of meditation, because in appreciation you uncover Source." Esther Hicks "Meditation is a Long Path activity. Devotee’s are concerned with learning how to concentrate their thoughts in the practice of meditation, and later even with meditation itself. Short Path practitioners practice Non-Meditation" - Paul Brunton “Many people like meditation. But it is not very constructive or useful. It does not decrease our negative mindsets of anger, attachments, etc. It does not increase our qualities of kindness, truthfulness and wisdom. So, we might be able to sit still single-pointedly for four or five hours, but what’s the point? It’s like a pigeon!” Khadro-la "Meditation, yoga, or one of the many so-called spiritual activities has little to do with liberation from delusion, and everything do to with their desperation to escape busy, unhappy lives, and heartfelt longing for a healthy, stress-free, happy life" Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche "In a state of non-meditation, you attain Mahamudra." Tilopa

Yes,...sentient beings insist on exposing the messenger,...but why? Most messengers are fully unlightened,...so what. For example, I find the high functioning T.S. Eliot to be pathetic,...yet like his quote, "Human kind cannot bear very much reality." I'm quite certain that T. S. Eliot didn't have the slightest notion of what that pointed to in a Spiral Dynamics context,...only his own Absolutist point of view. As for Nero,....the claim by devotional Christians as to Jesus Christ’s historicity in Tacitus’ Annals 15.44, comment on how Emperor Nero persecuted Christians,...however, the Christians who were persecuted after Rome’s fire of 64 CE were actually Gnostic Christians, worshipers of Sarapis, not followers of Jesus or Paul. It was these Christians, the original Christians, whom the author of the second-century Gospel of Matthew called false Christians. What are known as today's Christians appropriated the name Christianity in the 2nd Century CE, as they lifted terms from most of the cultures that they absorbed. As you can read, in his letter to the Consul Servianus, Hadrian (71–138 CE), who was the governor of Syria under Trajan, he called the Sarapian leaders “bishops of Christ.” Up until the beginning of the Second Century, the Egypto-Greek Sarapians, including those in Syria, called themselves Christians and bishops of Christ. There was no reason for Rome to kill the followers of Paul and the Gospels which arose from Mark. Paul's Christianity is a pro-Roman religion. Did not Paul say that Roman magistrates were only a threat to evildoers or that the man who rebels against his master is opposing God’s will? What Roman would want to persecute the philosophy that said that tax collectors are God’s ministers (Romans 13:6)? It was the Jewish zealots and Gnostic Christians who threatened Rome, not the anti-Gnostic Paulines and later invented Christians.

I too love hiking and trekking,...especially in the Pecos Wilderness,...and agree that "spirits" aren't separate things, but that there is One rhythmic balanced interchange through all life. In the 90's while learning how to dowse labyrinths (with Marty Cain) I became aware of the Guardians around us. Every eco-zone (usually 20 to 180 acres) has a Guardian, which is often one of the oldest trees, but can be rock, like Ayers Rock, which is the Guardian of many square miles. I'll often break near a Guardian on a trail (or off trail), as it puts me in the center of that space. If there are faeries in this eco-zone, this will lead you to usually an area of flowers like Lady Slippers or Jack-in-the-pulpits, where faeries gather around sunset. “Jumping from boulder to boulder and never falling, with a heavy pack, is easier than it sounds; you just can't fall when you get into the rhythm of the dance” - Jack Kerouac

Our "humanism" is what keeps us Asleep. "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates "Recognize that everything you see and think is a falsehood, an illusion, a veil over the truth" - Lao-tzu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MVQjsuDArY&t=459s

Awakening is a Conscious Awareness of Spirit,..the in-breath/out-breath of duality. The majority are stuck in a patrifocal conscious tethered to Form, because of their identification with the senses. "As man unfolds from sensed man to spiritual man he gradually becomes aware of the two-way motion of all effect" - Walter Russell. "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates Spirituality is among the most mis-defined words in today's world. Spirit....from the Latin spiritus, or breath,...relates to the in-breath (yang, masculine energy) and out-breath (yin, feminine energy) of duality's phenomenal world,...that is, how this illusory Dream reality breaths. Spirit ONLY exists within the perception of separation. Without separation, there is no Spirit,..no Duality,...and thus no One. Without the Past, Spirit does not exist. There is no Spirit in the Present, just like there is no energy or mass in Undivided Light. Spirituality is an awareness of integration or rhythmic balanced interchange of duality. The Great Absence among Sentient Beings is the Feminine, and by consequence, only a Shadow Masculine is known. The Feminine of Duality is not a gender of Form, but the Wave of a Particle. One final point in reference to this thread,...NO ONE who advocates meditation is a Spiritual Being, or aware of Truth. "Do you think you can clear your mind by sitting constantly in silent meditation? This makes your mind narrow, not clear." Lao-Tzu Huahujing “If your purpose is to medicate dukkha,...then meditate. If your wish is bodhi,...practice absolute bodhicitta.” a Chan saying. Hui Neng said that meditation is unnecessary, and warned that such practice can easily become a narcotic. "Free yourself from meditation, practice non-meditation" - Kyergangpa Chökyi Senge "The practice of meditation is represented by the three monkeys, who cover their eyes, ears and mouths so as to avoid the phenomenal world. The practice of non-meditation is ceasing to be the see-er, hearer or speaker while eyes, ears and mouths are fulfilling their function in daily life." - Wei Wu Wei "in my regard there is no view on which to meditate" - Kunje Gyalpo "Meditation is about repetition, whereas Non-meditation is observing something totally new in every moment. If you want to connect with the open, spacious quality of mind, at some point you have to stop trying to meditate." Lama Willa B Miller "The state of non-meditation is born in the heart...." Jigme Lingpa "meditation and religious teachings are all gentle deceptions meant to soothe the inner coward, not forge the inner hero." Jed McKenna

The quick summary was enough to understand that Mr Culadasa is another Caterpillar teaching Caterpillars to be Butterflies. Perhaps one of the first things to bring up in a discussion of truth is...“Two truths cannot contradict one another” - Galileo Galilei Thus,...all that is necessary to uncover a single absolute truth,...which is sadly missing in today's culture. I can certain type out an Absolute Truth,...such as "There is no Present in time."....yet it doesn't do much good until one realizes that themselves. "Contradictions in perspective among those Seeing the profound do not occur" – Taranatha. Real seekers of truth eventually realize that the way or path to uncovering Absolute Truth is through the letting go of the false. "The real seeker of truth never seeks truth. On the contrary, she tries to clean herself of all that is untrue, inauthentic, insincere." Chandra Mohan Jain "We need to draw our attention to what is false in us, for unless we learn to recognize the false as the false, there can be no lasting transformation, and you will always be drawn back into illusion, for that is how the false perpetuates itself" Eckhart Tolle But who really wants to do that? "How many of us truly want wisdom? We want many things, but who really wants to be wise." Gabrielle Roth What most want is their Me Stories and Personal Truth,...which are always lies.