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I'm by no means an expert, I haven't even tried real psychedelics myself, but I believe it depends. Some might be ready as teenagers, some never in their entire lives. Most advice I've read strongly suggests that you want to start with a lower dosage of an "ordinary" psychedelic (NOT 5-MeO, Salvia etc.) and take it in a secure, familiar setting.

Yellow sees the step from the previous stage as an extremely profound and meaningful one that somehow changed everything. Green, Orange, Blue etc. do the exact same thing. Yellow thinks it's free of major dogma, but it isn't: It subtly believes in philosophy, models of reality and the usage of language. And since Spiral Dynamics was basically invented by Yellow, you can see its ignorance there.

@Artsu That's a practical way to convey it, I like it.

@dflores321 I know where you're coming from, that's why I made this post in the first place. Please look into my earlier replies, I am not going to explain myself again.

Philosophy is trying to answer questions that cannot be answered.

I'll give you an example. Benjamin Smythe in this interview: That's what I believe Coral is about (quote by me). He might even be beyond it.

I found an extremely interesting video on this today, I strongly recommend watching it if you have time: My personal summarization: Coral emerges when Turquoise begins to truly see that there is absolutely no purpose, nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing to do, nothing to teach, nothing to say, nothing to escape from, nothing to wonder about, nothing to control, nothing to desire, nothing to work towards, nothing to lable, nothing to fear (etc.). It's starting to see that it's completely alone, too. Duality dissolves, which means that all spiritual knowledge and concepts must also be given up. This process can be described as a falling into complete meaninglessness. It's looking reality straight into the face, without any filter. It's removing every safety blanket you picked up. It is mostly an incredible painful and sometimes a somewhat scary process to go through. I think that a significantly lower number of people would want to go on the "spiritual path" if they knew that's what they are going to "get".

That's a good point, but I mean a more subtle limitation. I mean labelling all sorts of things, which leads to not seeing universal principles and the obvious in front of their eyes. They might get so stuck in complete confusion that Turquoise emerges instantaneously at some point, because they figured out that there's nothing really to understand that way.

That's kind of true. Tapping into Turquoise and even some "Coral" now, it seems like each leap from one stage to the next becomes bigger and is fundamentally significant. If every stage was about to develop their own model similar to Spiral Dynamics, all of them would put their own stage at that "Tier 2" kind of spot. It's just the way paradigms work. And all stages are paradigms, even Coral+ if you will. Just perspectives that are metaphysically equally as true/false.

This was just a funny idea that I wanted to share. I'm not against "Yellow" or anything. It's just beautiful to actually see that no model or combination of models is actually real or fundamentally true and I wanted to spark a glimpse of that.

Useful in what way? Do you have fun thinking about them? Great. Do you wonder how society will progress, because you're interested in that? Perfect. But don't expect them to be useful in any actually meaningful sense. They just aren't. With science it's similar. There's no obejctive truth to it, so I don't give authority to it. But I can still experiment or benefit from experiments of others. I don't want to throw this stuff away completely.

Ok, so let's make Turquoise "Tier 3". And Beige is now "Tier 0", because there's no culture at all. See, it's completely arbitrary where you draw the line(s). Actually there is no such a thing as a tier, you imagine it completely. And you might understand that intellectually, but not see the significance of it.

The SD model is made up. There's only a tendency of certain thoughts going together with other thoughts, emotional maturity, cultural expressions, spiritual development and however you want to devide the very state of a human being. Someone recognized these connections and created the SD model with those colorful categories that don't actually exist. Models are just additional things that do not deserve any authority because all of them are false and you can't just somehow combine them and get an accurate worlview.

Not necessarily attached to one model in particular. But Yellow is always attached to models and using language to somehow understand the world. Every single leap is massive. So there's just nothing special about seeing the world in that Yellow philosophical way. It's not some totally neutral way, because there are many more ways of deception than emotional attachement. Contemplate language . Is that a legitimate reason to call Yellow "Tier 2"? Look, Blue says "It's all about morality.", Orange says "It's all about science and logic.", Green says "It's all about emotions.", Yellow says "It's all about understanding the big picture". That's my point: You see it as a bigger leap because you believe it is from your relative point of view. Yellow has the "dogma" of thinking obsessively, otherwise it wouldn't be confused all the time.

In a society that's fully awake? Definetely not, because there's nothing really that must be taught. Everyone becomes enlightened at a very young age and that's no big deal. Also I believe that then not everyone necessarily has to do something "for a living". You only work as much as necessary. In a society where most people are debating on existential questions and have had spiritual glimpses only, spirituality is quite mainstream and therefore has less addtional (sub)cultural attachments than it currently has. There are less actual teachers, but way more ordinary people giving spiritual advice and guidance on a personal level.

It's a mind game. And it's crazy. Just a few hours ago, after today's sugar binge, I felt like quitting self-actualization. I started to compare my life with others and thought that as long as I am not living much more unhealthy than the average person, my life is going to be okay. I wanted to go back to my old state because I somehow thought it was a more pleasant way of life than all that hard work of self-improvement. Now I feel like I got the right attitude and I'm done with unhealhty food, which is probably also false. As soon as different factors come together, I will crave all that crap again and maybe also listen to my mind. I'm (very) slowly starting to become conscious of how sneaky our minds can be and I now know that the root solution is to disidentify with the mind. I hope that next time my mind is telling me bullshit when it comes to food, I will recognize it as such. I'm not sure how many weeks or months of hard work I'll have to do until my diet is fixed and if I will even reach that point, but I just went shopping for some more vegetables and fruits, trying to move forward again. Now that I know how a (mild) ego backlash feels like and that the mind is an asshole, I feel like I know what to do but I also fear I will forget.

I recently did a 24-hour water fast and recognized cravings for unhealthy food I wasn't fully aware of before and even caught myself opening the fridge automatically. This journal is about me experimenting with different techniques for cleaning up my diet and killing food addiction. I will write about all my thoughts, feelings and struggles regarding this process. This journal is not about weight loss, in fact my weight is average. I want to change my diet for the sake of living a healthier life and feeling more comfortable in my body. Also I believe this is a good place to start with Self-Actualization work, especially with mindfulness and discipline. My current diet consists mainly of: bread, noodles, rice, oats sweets, cookies, chocolate etc. milk, yoghurt greasy / salty food, meat I also eat quite irregularly, unconsciously and very quickly. Techniques I want to try: water fasting intermittent fasting cutting out certain foods sticking to a fixed diet plan mindful eating (whatever else I stumble upon) Let's get started! I will do a few water fasts in the next weeks, gradually increasing their duration. By that, I want to get a better sight of the addiction's magnitude, see how fasting affects me and evaluate if creating a water fast habit would be helpful. Also I will try to drink at least 2 liters of water throughout the day, regardless of fasting. Maybe I'll already add other techniques on top of it, but I will write about it if I do so.

2nd sugar binge this week, I feel horrible. It almost feels like there was never any progress. Instead of observing my cravings mindfully and letting them go I just listened to them, which was a mistake of course. Detached Acceptance™ is the key, not just acceptance.

Ego Backlash (?) I ate quite some unhealthy stuff on saturday, but on sunday I smoked some weed and it got even worse. There was some cookie dough and chocolate that high me thought was just so good. It made me feel quite sick and showed me how significant a change of one's diet can be for the body. Since the end of that backlash I've been feeling way more stable, at least as far as my nutrition goes. I still find myself running around in my house when I'm bored, but without opening the fridge constantly. Anyway, here are some tips from Sadhguru and how I've integrated them so far: 2-3 meals a day: Usually, I don't have appetite just after getting up, so I eat my breakfast at school and another big meal when arriving home. I don't even think of snacks. Fresh, living and natural food: I tend to eat less processed food anyway, because it contains sugar, wheat, low quality products or chemicals I have been concerned about even before starting this journal. Also, I make sure to eat more fruits and vegetables. Proper chewing: That one goes with mindful eating, which I am not used to at all. But I'm working on mindfulness in everyday life at the moment, so I hope I will remember this journal entry tomorrow and make some progress here, too. A "balanced" diet: Instead of only eating oats, I try to eat other grains and potatoes additionally. I also try to balance out almonds with other nuts. Water consumption: Sadhguru recommends to drink body temeprature water, 10% more than your body tells you to drink. Not a small sip every minute, but a glass or two at a time. I leave out hot tea and cold water, which is no problem for me.

Wheat and Fat Well, that was a lie, I only eat oats after getting up mostly. Recently I ate some bread with cream cheese and after that some greasy fried fish from my school cafeteria. That's the stuff that I'm used to to when it comes to breakfast in school. When I come home, I like to eat some pasta when I don't feel like more oats, because it's cheap, ready in 5 minutes and it's my childhood dinner. Whenever I eat stuff like that now though, my body feels kind of sick (probably a mix of placebo effect and mindfulness) and I remember some of Leo's words about leaky gut disease. Seems like I'm gonna have to eat significantly less bread, pasta and fried food according to the signs of some bald internet guy and my body. I will take more salad, fruits and oats instead of bread to school and will cut out pasta almost entirely. Neuroticism about Food Whenever I guilt myself for eating even a small amount of "bad" sugar, I try to remind myself of how much I have improved already and how little impact that little piece of cake has on my overall health and self-improvement progress. I think that would be easier if I was actually doing meditation practice regularly, so let's see if I can integrate that habit simultaneously.

If it actually prevents ego backlash for you, do it. For me, trying to observe my cravings mindfully and have a "natural" ego backlash seems better. I don't see the point in eating whatever I'm secretely craving, when I even feel more like eating what is good for my body, you get the deal. I haven't had a "real" ego backlash yet though, so I might change my mind.

Progress! I've not been wearing the watch since New Year's Eve, beacause cravings became easy to recognize and resist. Instead of binging on everything sugary there is, I eat a small piece of dark chocolate or some fruit when I feel like it, which is once or twice per day at most. I make sure to have 4-5 regular meals instead of many irregular snacks. Recently I had to fast for 20 hours in order to get my sleep schedule regulated, which was way easier than usual, too. I've even replaced milk with almond milk and I've been eating less wheat by replacing bread with oats. So things are looking great, I'll keep working on my diet for sure. Although it's going quite smoothly at the moment, I expect an ego backlash to happen anytime soon.

"How can those stupid politicians represent us? They only care about the rich including themselves instead of us average workers. If they were true representatives of the people who elected them, they'd be representing ordinary people who they even claim to support. Right?" No, they are perfect representatives. They are just as selfish and ignorant as you. You care only about your survival, including your family, friends and country. You care only about your interests, your worldview, your opinions while not seeing the big picture. If you had come to the top, you would've become just like them. There's really not much that differs you from your country's representatives. Look around once. See society as a whole with its variety of different backgrounds, social circles and age groups. The average worldview and attitude of your country's society is quite accurately equivalent to the worldview and attitude of your country's politicians. If it wasn't, the system would radically change in a short amount of time.

The Problem of Availability I could not cut out all sugary food completely, but at least I ate less of it than usual in the first 2 or 3 days. I recognized how much better my body feels when I don't binge any sugar. At the moment there are so many sweets available at home, due to Christmas. I would grab some of them here and then, get some cake without even thinking about it and then get some more sweets. When I'm about to buy something unhealthy at the supermarket, I can think about my decision twice and eventually decide against buying it. But if there's something available already and I can consume it right away without preparing anything, I don't really think about my decision. Therefore, my aim now is to constantly remind myself and becoming more mindful of my cravings and impulses. Just getting rid of all sweets would only be a superficial solution, because there is always something else available, whether it's sweet cocoa powder, honey or something my parents bought for themselves. A good point to start is wearing an old watch for some time: Whenever I see it (and I certainly will when I'm about to get some food), I'm reminded not to binge any sugar and not to eat when I'm not hungry at all. If that works, I could imagine using that technique for other commitments too in the future. 24 hour Water Fast I can honestly not imagine being able to fast for a much longer period of time than a day. Right now I'm about to finally break my current fast after 26 hours and that's all I can really think of, although the experience was similar to my first 2 fasts. I will try 48 hours in 1-2 weeks.