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A fact is a relative truth, and they can change. For example, one fact is that this forum, the Actualized.org forum, exists. This is a relative truth. However, if Leo decides to take this forum down, shut it down completely, it would no longer exist, so the fact of its existence would change. That's a relative truth. No, God created all of reality. We all share the same reality, which is infinite. We may have different experiences, but reality will always be infinite and the same for all of us.

@yawning_ Thank you too! About what you said about being what you identify with, the problem with that idea is that no matter what you do, the consciousness that an organism has is dependent on its body. This is why if you cut a human brain/head a certain way, literally slice a human brain/head a certain way that keeps the organism alive, you can cause a split of consciousness into 2 different experiences, both experiencing different sensations (sight, hearing, etc.) This has been proven with neuroscience. I first heard about this idea of consciousness being split in Waking Up by Sam Harris. Let's say the 2 organisms originally were enlightened when they were just 1 organism, the split can now cause those 2 organisms to lose enlightenment faster since they are now 2 different organisms. Basically, it could be like having 2 egos, and 2 different stories, even if those 2 were originally 1 ego and 1 story. This can sound scary to a lot of people. So my point is that even if you switch identities with someone, you still can't just simply switch experiences with them. That's not how it works. What are your thoughts on this? It was nice talking to you. @Serotoninluv I appreciate your advice, but I take my contemplations very seriously. I don't just spout random nonsense. Everything I said above is true. God created our infinite reality and human beings in general are unenlightened due to a number of things including a huge lack of responsibility, thus they see reality wrong and are suffering all the time. This is a fact. I'm always open to learning more, but this does not mean I can't state the facts. It was nice talking to you also. @Joseph Maynor Honestly, I no longer believe that you're Coral. I get such a Yellow vibe from you. I think you're Yellow and just now starting to move into Turquoise. You might have somewhat of an intellectual understanding of Coral, but this does not mean you're at that stage yet. I also seen in another thread where you said you can be "enlightened as fuck" and still have an ego. That makes no sense! Enlightenment is when you drop your ego. The more enlightened you are, the less ego you have. Also, you're wrong about Turquoise people being attached to ego and trying to make an impact "on reality." Turquoise people are usually the ones who say everything is an illusion and then they do nothing to help the universe. This is because they're delusional. However, they are definitely not attached to ego. The Turquoise people I've seen and spoken to are the most detached people on the planet when it comes to ego. @cirkussmile Coral is not simply nonduality. Spiral Dynamics is not simply nonduality. See my post above about stages of consciousness versus enlightenment. @Haumea2018 You seem to have many preconceived notions about enlightenment. Ideas, beliefs, etc. Drop all of that and go discover things for yourself. You don't know what an enlightened person takes seriously until you actually become enlightened.

Humanity is unenlightened. We see reality wrong. That's why we spread lies all the time and we don't take responsibility for anything. We're not as spiritual as we're supposed to be. If we were enlightened, if we start to see reality right, everyone would be happy. It would be true harmony. Reality, which God created, is infinite. Consciousness is what gives us the experience of reality; infinite experiences. Consciousness is not reality itself, even if everything is connected. This is why I might not say consciousness is infinite, even if consciousness can have infinite experiences. Being is what exists. It is NOT non-existence like some people believe. It's only for existence. And it's different from consciousness because you don't have to be conscious is order to be. You can BE unconscious.

@Serotoninluv I would say all theory (including SD) is within reality, not within enlightenment. Reality is everything, how everything is. Enlightenment is realizing the absolute truth, so it's kind of how you see reality. You can see reality wrong or you can see reality right. Enlightenment is when you see reality right, but it isn't bigger than reality. And I think you can say all theory is a part of The Game. When people say "The Game" it seems like they're referring to pursuing enlightenment and/or competing in some way. If that's the case, you can consider all theory as useful but relative truths that can eventually bring you to the absolute truth, or, in other words, winning "The Game," as some might say. So if we look at Spiral Dynamics as theory for the game, we're basically saying it's helpful to get to enlightenment or whatever we consider to be the biggest victory or win. This, I know, is a good way of looking at it and I'm pretty sure most people would agree. But I, personally, do not like "The Game" as a whole, if it is what I think it is. I can imagine something much better than what I see.

@Nahm Yes! Thanks. What is The Game exactly?

@Nahm Notice what you said will always be true no matter what. This is how I live. @yawning_ I wouldn't say "being'' and "consciousness" are synonyms either. You could "be," but how "conscious" of that are you?

@Nahm No, thank you. ?

I see how we can be, I guess. But you should have mentioned all stages in your other post and not just Coral. Yes! Years ago. Before my first enlightenment. They are me. Thank you, Nahm.

@Misagh I don't have time to give an in-depth explanation of Coral. Maybe ask @Joseph Maynor since he said he wrote about it? But as for Coral without enlightenment, I think the easiest way to notice this is to stop seeing the word "consciousness" as synonymous with "enlightenment." They're not synonyms. Spiral Dynamics is a model for stages of consciousness, yes, but NOT a model for stages of enlightenment. Notice that when you switch those two words, the meaning becomes very different. The word "consciousness" is more associated with perception, whereas the word "enlightenment" refers to the absolute truth (which goes beyond all discussion and I don't believe any model could ever do it justice.) You can be conscious and percieving the absolute truth, therefore enlightened. But you can also be conscious and not percieving the absolute truth, therefore unenlightened. However you can never be unconscious and perceiving the absolute truth, because a total loss of consciousness is death. You need to be conscious as a precursor to becoming "enlightened." So if you see Spiral Dynamics as stages of consciousness, something that enlightenment depends on, you see a model that is more associated with perception such as ways of thinking, as opposed to the absolute truth which goes beyond all thinking. The ways of thinking that develop over time is more of what Spiral Dynamics is a model of. This is why some people who are Blue on the spiral have enlightenment experiences and then start to think of enlightenment as a specific deity they were taught about. But we know when they move up to stage Orange they'll be saying something different. However, with all of that being said, still, the more conscious you become, the more enlightened you become. And the more enlightened you become, of course the more conscious you become. But this doesn't make them the same, and Spiral Dynamics is just one model for stages of consciousness but not enlightenment. Does this make sense, OP?

@Misagh Saying Spiral Dynamics is a model for enlightenment is spreading false information, because it's not. But anyway, I was mainly talking about @Nahm and @yawning_ when I said everyone was spreading false information. Just because stage Coral is unattainable to them (due to close-mindedness) they claim that it's unattainable to everyone. Not so, guys. And yes, the stages after Turquoise can be reached without enlightenment. To me, that's pretty easy to concieve. I'm sure people have done that before.

@Misagh Spiral Dynamics isn't a model for enlightenment. You can be the most enlightened person in the world at stage Red or you can be a Yellow person who never heard of enlightenment in his life. If you're talking about enlightenment and mystical states, please find a different model. Then maybe you and everyone else will stop spreading false information about enlightenment and Spiral Dynamics.

@Misagh Stage Coral is right after Turquoise, and it's real. Finding a person at stage Coral these days is harder than finding a needle in a haystack. Finding a stage Turquoise person is exactly like finding a needle in a haystack, but finding a stage Coral person is even harder than that. The key to moving out of stage Turquoise and into Coral is just like the other stages: overcome the limitations of the stage you're at now. Leo spoke about the typical limits of stage Turquoise in his video on it. Once you move past all of that, you're pretty much at stage Coral. I encourage you to aim for stage Coral. We could use another Coral person in this world. ?

@Merkenstein I assumed you were farther in the course, sorry. I was gonna say don't prioritize internalizing every concept and instead start chipping away at your 10,000+ hours of deliberate practice since it'll probably be the thing that takes the longest but is the biggest deciding factor. Mastery and passion are like the meat and potatoes of life purpose. You could ignore everything else, but if you're doing the thing you love most and you're getting better at it every day, you will be so happy. But as for internalizing the concepts, I would say start doing it after you complete the course. You're already taking good notes, so it's best to just focus on getting through everything. Then when you're done and you have the big picture you can focus on internalizing what you need to. It shouldn't take long at all. I, personally, didn't intentionally take the time to memorize/internalize any of the core concepts. I just went through everything as Leo told us, I took good notes that I would look back to when needed, and I also go back to any specific video when needed, and so I'm never stuck. You seem to be over thinking things. Just follow the directions and be confident. Find your "one thing" that you love, have fun working hard at it every day, do your research, make your plans, and then look forward to the impact you're gonna have. This is what life purpose boils down to, pretty much. Good luck.

@Merkenstein What do you want to master?

@-Rowan Be honest. Fill in the blank honestly.

Only choose both if you need to. You might need to combine things in order to actualize your purpose. I'm just making sure you're not splitting your focus. You can change it later, but it's best to be as accurate as possible early on. Like for me, my original choice of medium was comics but I changed it to film later on. This wasn't a big deal but it would have been better if I was accurate when I first made the choice. Also, don't choose something just because it's interesting. You have to choose things based on need. If your strengths lie in tech, that would be a need. If tech is just an interest, that's not a need. Only choose based on need. Since your purpose is to "unite a team in a vision, creating businesses that raise the worlds consciousness," there doesn't seem to be a need to limit yourself to tech startups. You can prioritize them if you want, but having them as a limitation doesn't seem necessary to me.

@martin_malin I don't find it necessary. The course took me a whole month to complete, and I heard of people who took over a year to complete it IIRC. I would say do it once while taking good notes, then go back to specific videos when needed. You want to actually get to work and live your life purpose, not just watch videos or read books about it.

@PukkaDanks Is "entrepreneurship and business intelligence" really one thing? Also, why does it have to be tech startups specifically? Why not just startups in general?

@kieranperez What's your life purpose? What's your top passion? What's your domain of mastery? Also tell me your greatest fear.

@Nahm Some successful people are happy, some aren't.

Why can't you be happy at Orange?

"Mooji Unmasked" Yet you provided no proof. Way to waste everyone's time.

@NicAndStuff Mine is to tell profound stories in order to enlighten humanity.

@Andreas Why do you want to move up the stages?