Spiral Wizard

@undeather could you please elaborate on that? This has always been a point of confusion for me. I agree that a teacher who embodies his teachings is much more powerful because he has true wisdom and understands many more nuances than someone who has not mastered their teachings. But if the student is able to differentiate between message and messenger it is possible to learn from anyone. You just have to keep in mind that the less mastery/embodiment the teacher has the more potential traps/corruption/foolishness/falsehood/lack of nuance/half truths/errors/etc. his teachings will entail.

Reminds me of…

In this video Sadhguru explaines what I suspected. Increasing exuberance is a separate thing from enlightenment.

Edit: maybe better title: What’s the difference between enlightened masters? To me, Sadhguru seems to have a completely different level of radiance and vibrancy than Shinzen Young. What makes the difference? Is it the level of kundalini awakening? I don’t believe it’s just charisma. @GreenWoods talked a lot about different dimensions of consciousness. Maybe it has something to do with that? Edit: My inquire does not aim to judge anyone. Both Shinzen & Sadhguru are incredible and worth studying deeply. This thread is not necessary about them specifically. I’m genuinely curious about understanding how different paths lead to different results. Because there certainly is a difference between different traditions and enlightened masters.

EXACTLY ? Well, this extreme (unhealthy?) use of psychedelics had to back fire at some point… Leo‘s teachings are a blessing. He has so much potential! It would be such a joy to see him actualize it one day. I can see the glory! @Leo Gura get your shit together

Attached you can see an except out of Sadhguru‘s book “Death: An Inside Story”. He claims stuff that’s pretty far out there. I’m open to it but what do you think? Realistically, is there a way to verify this for yourself?

In this video Shinzen mentions that his direct day to day experience ranges from a highly enlightened state to a state that someone who has never meditated is in. Keep in mind, this is 12 years ago. I don’t know how it’s right now but in a video from 3 years ago he basically said the same. I definitely admire his indifference towards this fluctuation but I’ve also heard other teachers say that there is a stage of enlightenment beyond that where there is no more fluctuation, just firmly rooted in the ground of enlightenment 24/7. What do you think?

That’s an interesting distinction! Could you elaborate? How would you define the different ‘roles’?

I agree. It’s unnecessary, inefficient, and contra productive. @ EVERYONE Please do not post if you are not in a state of neutrality, acceptance or love. I’d appreciate kind and compassionate communication. Thank you! ❤️

@Raptorsin7 I’m intrigued, where can I learn more?

Lmao that would be a wet dream. Imagine millions of people watching enlightened masters go into samadhi for 2 weeks straight

Interesting! Didn’t really consider that. Do you think there no use in transmissions? There seem to be very different transmissions. I wouldn’t be surprised of some are useless temporary highs and others actually help you get to self realization faster. I’ve been on shaktipat intensives and spoke with people who’ve been doing light/RASA and other transmissions for more than a year. Allegedly it was speeding up their progress significantly.

Why is that?

I was told that it’s possible to realize emptiness and get to the first stage of enlightenment without activating the kundalini energy which means that the LOVEBLISS aspect is missing. It makes sense to me that the is the divine father (truth, recognition, emptiness, etc.) and the divine mother (kundalini, love, energy, etc.) aspect.

True

@Consilience I somewhat agree. No doubt, from shinzen’s point of view he’s overflowing with joy but wouldn’t you agree that his demeanor, radiance, and vibrancy don’t make that too obvious? I’m not saying this means he’s less enlightened. Frank Yang actually said if the kundalini juice is still pouring out of you, the process isn’t finished yet. He and Shinzen explained that once the 10th Oxherding picture is reached you become extremely ordinary for outsiders unless they know what to look for. My inquire does not aim to judge anyone. I’m genuinely curious about understanding how different paths lead to different results. Because there certainly is a difference between different traditions and enlightened masters.

I love that! What you are saying really resonates. I perceive Shinzen Young as dead and dull in comparison to Sadhguru or other yogis who overflow with joy and love.

Do it! Would so epic to see a conversation between Leo and Daniel.

(5:38) Can anybody confirm that it is possible to reach (all) psychedelic states through meditation? If so, how long will it take? I heard deep meditation can perpetuate your meditation progress, big time. Is that true? In this podcast, he claims that you should meditate (do nothing technique) 1h per day for at least 60 days to even start the art of doing nothing. (5:50) Here he acknowledges the power of psychedelics but explained why he still prefers meditation.

Good stuff!

After years of trying really hard to loose my virginity I recently got the chance to finally do so but I didn‘t end up doing it because even though that girl was an 8/10 physically I didn’t vibe with her at all. So for me the character was a 5/10, if that. I also noticed how my sexual desire / horniness decreased significantly since my last meditation retreat. It’s so strange that I’ve been horny for years and now that I get the chance I suddenly don’t mind anymore. 1. Question: Should I just ignore that and fuck even if I don’t feel like it? There’s another girl that is really into me. We vibe a little bit more but overall it might be a 7/10. 2. Question: Should I just get over with it and loose my virginity because it will subconsciously help me get the girls I’m really attracted to or would you say that it’s worth waiting/working for that 8+/10? PS.: I don’t intent to be judgmental with that rating system. It’s just an easy way to communicate.

Pro: Sadhguru basically says that a spiritually more advanced person can run on different fuel. Con: These doctors say that it’s complete nonsense because fruits are full of sugar (no big difference between industrial & fruit sugar). This results in a fatty liver & many other issues. Vegetables are what you want to eat because they have more nutrients & MUCH less sugar. Detiled video (30 min): Short video (1-2 min) summary: What do you think? Any experiences? My 2 cents: I personally ate the carnivore diet for more than 3 months and it was really helpful in healing my chronic gut disease. Now I’m back to an evenly balanced diet because I have a subtle aversion towards meat. A mainly vegetarian diet with occasional meat consumption seems most healthy to me (IF you are healthy). Two important point to consider are that 1. there are different types and what your ancenstors are certainly plays a big role. 2. foods are NOT JUST nutrients & macros but also contain prana / life force energy. I think that some people are healthy frutarians or even breatharians but 99% of people will develop serious deficiencies doing that. I also think that this would be something you are naturally transition to instead of the ego deciding that it’s the new best diet.

Lol this sounds so wrong hahahah Anyway, where do you draw the line when it comes to age and what’s socially acceptable? I’ve seen 16 year olds with 21 year old boyfriends. That’s already strange to me but then again, a lot of men in their 20s are not mature at all and stuck with their mental development. The older you get the more acceptable age difference becomes. While it’s okay that a 38 year old is dating a 24 year old. It would be illegal if they did so 10 years earlier. 10 years later it would be totally normal (34 & 48). I feel as though this is an especially sensitive topic around the 18 year old mark because that’s where people become “adults”.

In the video he explains that even though this is true the total sugar load is the same.

That’s actually great advice ? Thanks!