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I've been born into a fundamentalist christian environment I know exactly how religious people think, I've spent hundreds of hours in discussion with then. Anyone who doesn't already clearly see what a narcissistic antichrist-like figure Trump is, is so deluded, almost nothing will wake them up. Sorry man but that's very bad reasoning imo. You seem to have a very naive idea how religious people think. No one will question their god because of some failed expectations, they will rather blame demonic shadow powers. I will not answer to this thread anymore, it's just a very stupid idea not worth to engage further.

Do you see any problems with that reasoning?

Sorry but this is such a bad test I didn't even finish it because it's a waste of time. Anyone who has some clue about diagnostics will laugh at this

True. But in certain terrains of thought it narrows the branches of the possibility-tree of all the answers which have not a high value in tackling specific personal development or philosophical questions. The classic AI may tell you way more irrelevant and obvious stuff and not be so confronting. I had the feeling this leo AI was way more on point but that impression may come from my little interactive exposure to AI in recent times, maybe it just generally improved.

Btw I love these kind of conversations, thanks man <3 Yeah the idea of "the unconscious" may just be another layer of deception. Like people who repeatedly report to dream in black&white actually report to dream in colour if asked instantly after waking up - this backwards rationalization/recontextualization/interpretation to fit the data into a coherent narrative may be the same principle at play here. Everything "pops into existence" and your mind just creates a consistent/logical story to justify it. I think what Leo tried to point out is that every story you create about "how things come into existence/what the source is" is actually just another *popped*-concept, so the mind creates the next consistent narrative. Everything is *popped*, including the mind. This is the AUM, the infinite *pop*, the alpha and the omega, without beginning or end. The idea that there is linear chain of plops is just another *pop*, so every story of source or behind the scenes or unconscious - just *pop*. Chris Langan goes into great detail about the mechanics of the plopping so to speak. I think it is one of the best ways to put the whole thing into words - a radical nondualist would say G.O.D as an entity is a construct, it's another illusion. I am not sure if Leo would state the opposite - unawareness of oneself is just a state of consciousness G.O.D. imagines. In a way both are two sides of the same coin, the absolute and the relative. But I intuit that I share the same headknots as you do at that point. I am still not sure about this myself.

You are right. But when it comes to contemplate about your own life, implement the insights and really think about the stuff in depth, it is quite nice to be able to interact with an AI like it is a coach, someone who asks you the right questions back, attacks your reasoning and points out holes, inspires you which concrete steps you can take to embody it, and so on. You have to learn to interact with the AI in the smartest way possible to extract the full value. It is a skill of its own and maybe it soon will become the most valuable skill world wide to interact with AIs in the most intelligent/wise way. Most people will use AI to replace the effort of original thinking, like people stopped caring about basic math as much since the development of the calculator. But some people will use it to boost their intelligence and originality

@Keryo Koffa If I had to summarize my understanding of his view on solipsism in a non confusing way I would say: "The experience to be you (a being called human + its environment called experiential bubble/world) actually takes as much imaginative power/intelligence/space as the experience to be the whole universe. Each experience happens only here&now, and at the same time there is no other here&now. The only apparent difference is the state of consciousness. Right here&now the state of consciousness imagined by infinite intelligence is that of "human experience" - so this is all there is. There is no objective reference point, there are no other things/beings outside of it to compare it to, it has no scale and you can imagine to zoom infinitely into every direction inwards & outwards. Infinity with no real center. Everything imagined "being apart from it" is an illusion, it's illusions/dreams all the way down, it's an infinite fractal/hologram consisting of nothing but illusions/dreams, a giant hallucination of nothing. In a way, the only game in town for you as infinite intelligence is to change your state of consciousness and therefore become more or less aware of your dreamlike nature." I don't know if he would agree to this but that's how it sounds to me (although it was very briefly summarized, would take more nuance to put the whole view into words of course). Does it sound like that to you or where would you disagree?

To me it sounds quite relative, but from what I suspect since he's aware of infinite intelligence there's actually no real difference between "others having feelings of their own" and "everyone is a NPC" since you as infinite intelligence would know the feelings and perspectives anyways in the sense of experiencing/being them in some way or another. And I guess he would not go in line with my (humoristic) shallow reasoning beforehand since the question of how far "karmic bonds between dreams reach" seems difficult to answer, if we accept the concept of karma in any way. Glad Leo has high integrity and huge context awareness to not fall for relative-solipsistic lines of reasoning

I guess he doesn't believe in the existence of anyone else "living on" after he dies. In this case actually he could play the clever devil and sell the rights now (before his death, provided he doesn't get killed) in a lottery where each member can buy the money-equivalent probability to win the whole thing. Who else would bet a buck? XP

Understandable, this development could take bad turns and twists But it could exactly go into the opposite direction. I used the leo bot as a coach, asking specific questions about my personal journey, let it extract the self-deception mechanisms at play (from specific scenarios), show counter-strategies and play devils advocate in relation to my reasonings.

@krockerman That would be great, I would really appreciate it!!! I was chatting with it and was quite impressed by its accuracy and it passed the vibe check Let's give it a boost, hope you guys like it as much as I do: Join the petition for Leo bot 10.000 @Keryo Koffa @Ero @Jowblob @Razard86 @Joshe @nuwu @Nemra @Yimpa @Xonas Pitfall @Salvijus @DocWatts @Carl-Richard @NoSelfSelf@Schizophonia @Michael569 @Sugarcoat @bambi @Davino @Emerald @r0ckyreed @dodohahn @Dodo @Lila9 @What Am I @Water by the River @Ishanga @Princess Arabia @CARDOZZO @Buck Edwards

How cool! It's genious Thanks @krockerman

Projection on your side.

That's true. The greatest gifts often come unforced. I first thought you wanted to escape life, projection on my side. I associate mahasamadhi with the idea that you're finally done with life, but of course there are other conceptions.

Gautama once said: why meditate for 30 years to walk over water when you can use a bridge?

If you are able, well that's nice. But between being able and wishing to be able is a huge difference. Why striving to die smoothly while you can live smoothly?

@TruthFreedom Your whole reality would come to an end the moment you would actually get serious about it. But you believe talking to people would get you out of your dream. I had many lucid dreams, it started when I was a child. Sometimes I had a nightmare and got the intuition it may be a dream. Then I did a technique and woke up. But it only worked a few times until the technique got worn out. My dream reality accomodated to my new level of awakeness/suspicion. In the end I had to line up to 10 different techniques to get out of the dream, it was a nasty process. Don't believe your dreams are made to make you realize it is a dream. You underestimate its power. Dreams are made to make you convinced they are real. And don't expect that when you wake up from one dream, you are now in reality. I had inception style dreams, woke up 3 times in a row, each time realizing the dream nature beforehand again, but still dreaming. The very fact that I argue with you shows that you keep fooling yourself. How many moments are you willing to invest? You are not really serious about it, that's what I say. But you don't need to be serious, it's ok. From your pov: if you were dreaming, no one expects from you to be serious about waking up, so there is nothing wrong about believing the dream is real. No Zen master can blame you: You bad boy don't want to wake up!

@Yeah Yeah from a solipsists pov there is no real life and there are no babies having dreams. Dreams occur on different layers. In the REM-phase you dream vividly, close to daily life experiences. In deeper sleep phases you are still dreaming, but more about abstract forms, diffuse feelings and ambiguous contents, according to scientific research. More like the low resolution, blurry scheme-style perception you would expect a baby to have.

Life is my actual real path, and it contains meditation, inquiry, yoga, psychedelics and contemplation. But mahasamadhi as a goal.. for real?

Spirituality, depending on its definition of course, ends the moment you realize there is nothing else but the present moment, there is no time, there are no words, it's illusions all the way down. It ends the moment you don't think about it. And then you may get hijacked again to believe there is something beyond ... As I said, depends on the definition. But if you consider it a time based process, it always ends now.

Well I kinda feel stupid just to reply to this thread but here we are @TruthFreedom When you dream, do you believe all the characters have their own thoughts? Do you believe they still exist when you wake up? Do you believe someone who tells you your dream wasnt real does not apply enough logic to his reasoning? Don't believe in solipsism, it's not for you. The fact that you listened twice to Leos episode and still have no understanding of the matter could be a sign that your nervous system just couldn't handle the realization and you would have a psychotic breakdown. So better stay away from solipsism.

Hey @Leo Gura, Just wanted to thank you a lot for the new video and all the work that went into it (also the decades of personal development work that became obvious again)!!! I really enjoyed it, it was not only very clear and clean, I am convinced it also helps me a lot to talk about the profound insights of postmodernism in a way others with a more (pre-)modernist can understand it. It seems obvious to me that the greatest part of your style of presnting this topic is the fact that you really speak a language a lot of people can understand while maintaining a high standard of abstraction und universality. You are like a great scientist who discovers entangled virtual strangeloop-quantum-ripples and expains it in a few sentences, so even children can get a hint what it refers to while other scientists get stunned by the same words and get new insights that recontextualize their models of reality. I intuit this is really just the beginning, but it was a great pleasure to listen to you already! My heart is filled with love right now, I am deeply touched by the beauty of the fact that I can listen to this talk and have much more satisfaction than watching AI porn or a great movie. It feels more like my favorite band has released a new album and it is tuned in 53edo instead of 12 (the future of music in my opinion). Parts of me just feel very seen and connected, I have rather few people with whom I can dive down these depths (at this level of abstraction and holism) and everytime I watch a video of yours there are parts of me that feel like you meet the only friend with whom you can talk about a specific topic or who understands you. I know this is just the beginning, but the teasers you gave at the end were just... Awwwwwww Thank you Leo!!! I am really looking forward for your next videos <3

Oh dammit, ALLLL those hot which girlfriends I denied!!! I could cry a river... Interesting, it's crazy how the mind copes with it. In deed! In my story, I guess it also made me more resilient to suffering. For example each time I get a pain a thought comes up: "well, still worlds better than torture." @MarioGabrielJ happy to read your appreciation, thanks I hope it reaches the right ones. In the last thread about it I didn't have enough time at that instance to answer in detail. There are so many reasons why this religion is flawed in general and I wish I could help people free themselves from those bondages, but I stopped forcing it on people long ago. You need to be ready and willing to face the truth, otherwise these doubts make things worse. That's the really bad part: even though people intuit its inate bs and can't rationalize the belief system anymore, they are too scared to let it go and try to vomit out the red pill.