ZenAlex

"She's proved her case". No she hasn't lol. How has she proven her case? She may well be right, but nothing has been proven either way. Even without this documentary, it doesn't clear her completely of wrong doing. I'm not spreading conspiracy theories. There's a documentary that hasn't been proven to be devoid to evidence yet, the things she said are questionable, regardless of whether or not she claims they're out of context. Maybe some of them are, but maybe not. There are many allegations from many people of wrong doing, which have not been disproven yet. Read what I'm saying. I'm simply saying there is reason enough to be concerned. It's not a conspiracy theory.

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@integral Multiple allegations are not proof, but it's evidence that something may be going on. Remember I didn't say anything was proven, but if multiple people that are not connected to each other are making similar allegations, and those link together with what we've seen on video, then that is reason enough to be concerned. If multiple people who aren't connected are making similar accusations that can be considered evidence. I am not convinced that everything I've seen on the documentary that makes her look bad is purely down to editing, as there are long clips where she's clearly behaving in a questionable way that clearly a not edited I am completely aware of how I'm interpreting this bro. Like I said, I'm not saying anything is proven, but the evidence shouldn't be ignored. My position is completely reasonable. Nothing has been proven, but evidence is there to be concerned. I interpret, you do to, and we all assume and believe when there is no absolute knowledge and I am keeping my beliefs in check. It's interesting she's spending a massive chunk of her time trying to debunk this. Her channel will start to become a drama channel soon enough.

I would never judge people on them, but in regards to my own consumption - There's a big part of me that doesn't like the idea of going on them for the sake of mental health, because part of me wants to be self-sufficient and feel like I can resolve it on my own. If I go on meds, that feels to me like admitting defeat - Like just accepting that I'm screwed and damaged beyond my own ability to repair, and the only thing that will work is a medication that may do harm as well as good. I could accept it in the case of physical health issues, but not mental, unless I was Schizophrenic or something.

Do you not want to use any of that time to help a world that is suffering while you laze about?

Good luck to you bro. Hope your escape goes well. I'd suggest learning to forgive and forget after though. Don't hold on to the grudges.

So we don't disagree too much. We both prefer to find natural solutions rather than western medications. Medications as a last resort basically.

This. I've worked in companies that treat me bad and ones that treat me well. Capitalism involves exploitation but some are businesses are better than others.

Calm down bro

Nah, I don't think it's helpful to assign mbti to this stuff. It's more about the individual. I've seen douchebags of all types here. Plus we need plenty of personalities of different types to keep things running.

If they have a boyfriend, just back off. It's the right thing to do.

Well I hope the risk is worth it, because if you're eating all that unhealthy food it may end up destroying you eventually. But you go ahead. You literally poisoning yourself. You made an argument that a bit of junk food is good for you. By junk I assume you mean food with little/zero nutritional value and unhealthy elements to it. Don't play russian roulette with your health.

How is bombing anti-abortion clinics stage green?

I don't think Jordan is all bad. He's a psychologist that's helped people. He sometimes offers decent advice to people who are struggling. Many people have stated he's saved them from suicide. He's a human being remember. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone at him.

Agreed. This is why people commit suicide. You don't know what death is, no one does, as you haven't experienced it. You know what pain and suffering is though. And we conceptualize death as sometimes a release from pain.

Achieve what you want practically. It acts as a sort of self-validation, rather than needing others. Also accept getting offended. It's unavoidable sometimes, but just learn to place less value on what others say, journal about it, write about it. Reflect on the fact that others bullshit doesn't need to stop you in anyway from getting what you want.

IMO if you're not applying your teachings to reality then you're bound to forget them.

I disagree. Junk is never good for you. I agree with not being neurotic about it, but in reality junk food should make you feel bad to the degree that you stop eating it, not out of guilty but simply because you feel better without it. I eat some junk sometimes, but I don't really feel better physically for it, I simply feel better in the moment because I'm enjoying myself. But there are some junk foods I'll never eat - Sugary drinks - Energy drinks, sugary cola etc Sugary sweets. Haribo, candy etc. These things make me feel so bad and sickly, it's not about guilt, it's simply about eating shit will make you feel like shit. If you can eat junk without feeling like shit then fine, but eat more than a small amount and you'll likely feel bad.

- Healthy diet - Exercise - Good sleep - No alcohol, drugs - Technology detox (Porn, video games, tv, streaming sites) - Nature - Good music - therapy, self awareness etc It can help.

"Assumptions", "interpretation". Of course I'm aware of this. This is basically like coming along and saying "well that's just your opinion". Of course we have beliefs, assumptions etc, but some are based on better arguments, evidence than others. If you disagree then fine, but at least in the future provide some sort of counter argument or evidence rather than just saying "this is just your interpretation". Yeah no shit it's my interpretation! But not all interpretations, beliefs and assumptions are based on the same caliber of argument, evidence etc. Without absolute proof/knowledge, there's beliefs, and sometimes we have more reason to believe one thing is true than the other. You're acting like this is some massive revelation to us all, but it's not. You're not smart for pointing this out at all. It's obvious fact. But that doesn't mean I'm not still going to express my concerns. Like I said, it's literally like going up to two people having an argument and saying "well that's just your opinion". Yeah I get it! My only point really is that there's strong evidence to suggest what might be going on here, and I said in my previous posts that nothing has been proven, I'm simply saying there was evidence enough to be concerned something might be true. I fail to see what your issue is. It's enough evidence to convince some people, and not enough evidence to convince others. I already explained to you why the may not release the footage previously. Because the documentary took 3 years to make, and likely involved hundreds of hours of footage. What I'm saying is that it's entirely possible that she's asking them to release it because she knows that will likely not happen. If she's that concerned about all this editing causing her that much damage, then why doesn't she sue them? I'm sure this would fall under defamation. Like I've said a million times before, I don't know 100%, I'm simply saying there's enough reason to be concerned here.

Sigh, now I remember why I gave up talking to you before, you don't even bother providing arguments of your own. Whenever someone tries to provide arguments or evidence, you just gaslight people and do whatever you can to make them doubt themselves and their own thoughts on the subject. You'll try to pass this off as talking from a higher perspective and trying to encourage people to be introspective, but in reality it's because you know you cannot provide an argument back of your own or any real evidence, so you just start the "you're debating from stage orange", "you're deceiving yourself" crap. You tried to defend Teal by saying she's asked for the footage be released, I responded by advising you why this is stupid, and you just go back to your old tactics by claiming self-deception. You start to create your own defence of Teal by thinking her asking for the footage to be released strengthen her position, I explain why that is likely a devious tactic, you don't provide an argument in response or address my points, you just start gaslighting again. You're not arguing from a higher perspective at all, you dismiss evidence that has been provided as not real evidence, you start providing your own argument then when you get a counter, you immediately just start trying to gaslight and manipulate your way out of it. And btw I remember some of the earlier posts on this subject you literally admitted you don't even bother watching that documentary, and then only skimmed it, immediately assuming stage orange. I am annoyed at myself for allowing myself to get involved in an argument with someone who doesn't bother formulating their own real arguments, and clearly cannot recognise their own clear bias. You don't even counter people's arguments or take in what they're saying, you just gaslight and then try to pass it off as "I'm just trying to make you introspective". My ass.

"She stated in the video that she wants the people of the documentary to release all the footage un-edited" Yes and that is a clever tactic by her because she was followed around by the crew for THREE YEARS, she knows that that's never going to happen, so she's demanding they do it knowing they wont, because that's potentially thousands of hours of footage. So she knows they wont release it, and she'll just use that to make her look like she's right. Stop being so easily manipulated. It's a reasonably clever but obvious tactic by her. "Leo has been shitting on people for a long time now. This is a misunderstanding of what a spiritual teacher is." The difference is Teal is dealing with mentally ill and traumatized human beings in real life in a commune. Leo is a guy on the internet helping others trying to understand reality. Leo's specialty is understanding reality, Teal's is supposedly healing people. So the comparison is poor. "The context did matter and it was 100% fine" So you're basically going to take teals word for it that all the awful shit that came out of her mouth was justified then? You're claiming that everything she said in that documentary was ok, and the context that provided you're just going to swallow that as the truth? Man, you are so sure she is being treat badly and everyone against her is biased, but you are so willing to take her word for it. "When i was centered orange i thought every spiritual teacher was saying unrealistic nicety things to make people feel good and to make money from them, it was alllll a scam." Yes, you again making the point that it's obvious stage orange thinking leading to criticisms of Teal. I must be stage orange! No other explanation. As if anyone who's on a higher tier would automatically agree with you and see Teal as something more. Of course. You people let these tiers impact your ego far too much. Please stop using these tiers to try crap on other people's perspectives. Again, you try to paint the picture that the opposition are biased yet you're clearly biased in favour of Teal. You're so certain that she is a misunderstood angel. It reminds me of all the arguments I had with you previously regarding this. You're aware of everyone's potential bias her but your own. You are literally buying everything she says on face value.

Maybe this is just them saying what they needed to say in order to be allowed to film what was happening. If the only way to get a cult leader to allow you into their commune is to feed their ego, then that maybe what they needed to do. Hypothetically if Teal was guilty, then they may not feel bad about manipulating her to get their footage. Do you really think she'd have allowed the documentary to be made by anyone other than people who were willing to allow Teal to believe they thought she was a great human being? Do you really believe if they showed any sign of skepticism or distrust that Teal would have allowed them in?

She gives the impression that she cares far too much about being famous, so perhaps the temptation to be in a cinematic, successful documentary was too much for her to resist. Like I've said before, either she's lying and she's guilty of many of the things she's accused of, or she's really stupid that she couldn't see this happening, and simultaneously guilty of being too much about fame. If she's not leading a cult, she's leading a spiritual commune that would be very easily misunderstood by many people, so therefore she should have exercised far more control over the documentary in this situation. Personally, I think it was Teal's narcissism. Why did she need a documentary to be made about this? Even if the crew had the best intentions, they could have still mislead people by what they chose to include in the documentary. Teal should have made her own documentary if she was really that bothered about being perceived in a positive way. But the reality is what the documentary showed and implied was happening is what she's being accused of by many others for years. That needs to be taken into consideration. If she really wants the truth to be known then she should allow all the information acquired by her private investigator to be released also, as I bet we haven't heard everything from her yet. At the end of the day, regardless of context, some of the stuff that she said in the documentary came out of her mouth, that indisuputable, and it's difficult to imagine a scenario where some of the behaviour she displayed would be acceptable coming from a supposed spiritual teacher, with a supposed awareness level above everyone else's, in a commune with many traumatized and damaged humans.