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It can’t ever “know” anything. Of course Consciousness can know consciousness. Consciousness is omniscient. The only thing Consciousness can know is itself since that’s all there is. Thats essentially what awakening is — Consciousness knowing itself.

This doesn’t seem right. Consciousness has no creator, and Consciousness can easily be proven given Cogito Ergo Sum. Consciousness is the only thing you can be certain exists. Consciousness is the most self-evident thing. I don’t see how this relates to AI being conscious.

Consciousness is not localized in a brain or computer. No object has consciousness. You won’t find any consciousness inside a computer. Computers are consciousness but it doesn’t mean they are conscious or have a separate consciousness. You can build a sophisticated computer, but humans cannot create consciousness. “A object (e.g., advanced AI computer) does NOT have consciousness, it IS Consciousness.” —r0ckyreed

Consciousness cannot be created or be a epiphenomenon. Consciousness is too fundamental to create.

A simple argument against AI Consciousness is understanding that consciousness is not an epiphenomenon. It is qualitative not quantitative.

How so? At what point are you going to say ChatGPT has consciousness? No matter how advanced ChatGPT becomes, it will still be a program made by humans. It won’t have any input or output other than how it was programmed.

Even if solipsism is false, an AI couldn’t be conscious. It can simulate consciousness so deep that we cannot tell the difference between another human and the computer. But the computer is not conscious. Does ChatGPT have consciousness? Ofc not. The key question is why does ChatGPT not have consciousness? What makes your iPhone not conscious? Can you see that no matter how advanced you make an iPhone or any computer, it will never have a subjective experience, even though it can trick you into thinking it does. Detroit Become Human is gonna kill me.

In my shroom trip, I realized that my normal state of consciousness right now, my dreams, and my consciousness on shrooms are all ONE. There is no separation between this state, a psychedelic state, or a dream. It’s all just Consciousness. However, as soon as I am out of my shroom trip, my consciousness cannot deconstruct the external world. It just really seems like this state is different from a dream but when I’m in the shroom trip or deep in meditation, I see no separation. There is no death. I am God hallucinating r0ckyreed. But what I still haven’t figured out yet is if r0ckyreed is all that exists or if I God is just firewalled in r0ckyreed’s hallucination. It seems like God is hallucinating r0ckyreed but not Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise is a hallucination within r0ckyreed’s hallucination. I’ll need to contemplate it more. But I am directly conscious that I am God experiencing r0ckyreed. I think God is hiding stuff from itself. The moon is still orbiting and the earth is still rotating even though I’m not experiencing it right now. R0ckyreed doesn’t have access to that perception but God could be in the scene and behind the scenes?

If my consciousness is all there is, then why is my consciousness finite? Notice that I cannot see infinitely into space and I cannot hear everything that happens in the universe. My consciousness is finite because Infinite Consciousness is imagining a finite human consciousness. The only way I will become Infinite is whenever I die. If a human had access to Infinite Consciousness, then they would no longer be human, they would be God. The issue is Leo says you are God, but the human you is not God. God is the consciousness looking out of your eyes experiencing a finite mind and consciousness. But this does not mean that the human consciousness, God is behind, is experiencing all of God. The human consciousness is not experiencing ALL OF GOD. It is only experiencing a fraction of a fraction of God. God is omniscient and omnipotent, you aren’t.

Exactly!! 💯 It is entirely unfalsifiable. Of course the only thing I have ever experienced is my experience by definition. I cannot get outside of consciousness. I am the entire field of consciousness. But my consciousness is limited. I can only see so far and can only hear so far. If I become blind, that doesn’t mean that the object disappears. There are probably a bunch of sense-perceptions I do not have access to.

AI is simulating consciousness. It doesn’t mean it has any. ChatGPT doesn’t have consciousness. Here is where you contradict yourself: If you say I am the only mind that exists, then by definition, all humans and all beings are no different than a sophisticated AI simulating consciousness. The AI is Consciousness but that doesn’t mean it has subjective experience. The problem of solipsism is still at play.

It just doesn’t quite make sense to me yet how a knock at my door is merely hallucinated. From my experience, a knock at a door and a voice that says “hello” presupposes a human is behind that door that I cannot experience but yet exists. I don’t see how you would say the only thing that exists is the door, the sound of knocking and the sound of the voice I identify as human. Whether it is a robot or a human behind that door, I know that when I open the door, I will witness something that was outside of my experience and when I close the door, I won’t see it, but that human still exists and they can even keep talking. I don’t see how you all can seriously defend this idealism position when you can easily test and disprove that it isn’t merely imagination. Saying that everything outside of my experience is imaginary is creating a duality between experience being actual and “outside” of experience being imaginary. If everything is imaginary then that means everything is also real, which makes saying everything is imaginary meaningless. It would only be meaningful if there was something that wasn’t imaginary. But since everything is imaginary, that means nothing is imaginary. I think I have disproven this through my logical argument here. The logic seems completely sound. If everything is imaginary, then nothing is. You can easily test this all by having a friend stand outside your door and just opening and closing a door. Have him stand behind it and contemplate whether your friend exists behind the door. Open the door and realize he does exist. Then close the door again. This time have him talk while the door is closed. Notice you have access to his voice but not to the sight of his body. But that does not mean his body doesn’t exist. Open the door and you will see that God is hiding things from itself. If I am wrong, please tell me how this is wrong?

But what about those examples I gave? How do you prove them wrong? This is why I have a hard time deconstructing external world because of bad stuff that happens outside of my experience like the Russia and Israel Wars and Black Lives Matter. Police brutality existed before I was aware of it.

Yes in a sense. But the cameras I am hallucinating are pointing to something that I didn’t hallucinate before. There is a difference between inventing/imagining something vs being conscious of something. I was not conscious that you vandalized my car. But the security footage demonstrates that there was something that happened that I wasn’t conscious of before. If you guys say sleep is something I am imagining, then why isn’t your awakening also something you are imagining? If I am asleep and leave my running car in the garage, that running car will still emit gas that I am not conscious of. Even if I go into a hotel with carbon monoxide, I cannot perceive any gas and I’m not imagining any gas at all. I’m just enjoying my vacation. But then death hits me or a gas leak happens. Something I am not conscious of exists outside of my experience. God includes all my perceptions and beyond. If I all of a sudden go blind and deaf, that doesn’t mean color and sound are no longer God. God is still colors and sounds, the deaf/blind human doesn’t have access to them.

Well. What I mean is that my human perception is God but so is the perception of a dog. I just don’t have access to Dog consciousness because God is experiencing a human right now. My perception is all human and it’s all God. But God isn’t confined to my human brain. My human brain is within the mind of God. God is an alien, a dog, a human. I just only have access to human because that’s what God is cosplaying.