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I got that part. I still am not conscious of the external world. It really seems like my car still exists in the parking lot even though I don’t perceive it. I can stare at my car keys in my hand knowing that they correspond to a car that exists.

But I’m also hallucinating my hands right now. So if the White House is a hallucination, if a unicorn is a hallucination, and if my hands are a hallucination, then what makes my hands more real than the White House or a unicorn since it’s all a hallucination? What makes one hallucination more real than another? If the White House is as real as my hands, then it implies that the White House is just as real as my hands even though I cannot see the White House like I can my hands. Edit: Thanks @Leo Gura for helping me with this. This is one aspect of consciousness I cannot understand. If actuality is a hallucination and if concept/imagination is a hallucination, then what is the difference? Saying the external world is a hallucination/imaginary is no more helpful to me than saying my hands are a hallucination/imaginary. My hands are the clearest perception I have; whereas the White House is a conceptual perception I am having now. If reality is imaginary, then it is also the same thing as saying reality is real since there is no other reality to compare it being “imaginary” against. Real and imaginary cancel each other out when we talk about the Absolute. I still feel like I actually went there and that I actually have a car even though I only conceive them and cannot perceive them right now.

I’ve been inside the White House before, so I have verified it is a real place in my consciousness that I never experienced before. I also have seen video footage of the East Wing being taken down, so the place is being demolished even though I’m not there now. The demolition happened and then I saw video footage of it. Maybe it is AI, but it has been verified by CNN and other news networks that the demolition of the East Wing is happening to build a ballroom. The video footage corresponded to reality when I went to see the White House and the Pentagon. This external world thing is so hard for me to deconstruct. The external world I know is only ever going to be a thought in my consciousness. But reality keeps confirming otherwise. I see video footage of the White House, and I know for sure the White House isn’t just AI because I’ve been there. I assume you have a house because I’ve seen video footage of you in it and you said so in your blog. Whether you sold the house or moved out is something I don’t know. A simpler example is you are typing to me on some computer/device of some kind. That device/computer exists outside of my awareness right now. You couldn’t type or film videos without a camera/device of some kind. The very video you make is rendered by a camera and a world that exists but isn’t in the awareness. I cannot see behind me, but if I turn my head, a new stuff appears that wasn’t perceived before.

The White House exists outside of my awareness and so does Leo’s house. I do not currently perceive it right now but that doesn’t mean I can’t ever.

So, does the football field where the airman died from rappelling exist right now even though I’m not aware of it in my direct experience right now? The airman’s unfortunate death already implies that that event happened, which means there is something behind the scenes of your perceptions. Just because your senses don’t capture it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I perceived the video footage, and I believe that the football field where the incident happened exists and is a potential place I can go to within my field of consciousness.

Ahh god damnit. I just sent the video to my ex-girlfriend. 😂

How so? Thats exactly what the materialists/physicalists would say would prove their point. To them, it would prove their point that consciousness is derived through physical processes. They would make analogies of the human brain being no different than a computer. That the human brain is a sophisticated machine that produces consciousness.

If Digital AI Consciousness is a thing, that would support materialism/physicalism because it would show that consciousness can be generated and be an epiphenomenon of matter interacting. Digital AI Consciousness is a hallucination of your own mind. You are imagining that digital technology can or will be conscious. Digital AI Consciousness is false. Call me closed minded, but there’s no point in entertaining ideas that are false. No doubt AI can mimic consciousness and do more things than humans can. But consciousness cannot be created nor destroyed. I don’t understand how any of you could be this gullible to think that you can put some atoms and machines together and it will produce consciousness.

It can’t ever “know” anything. Of course Consciousness can know consciousness. Consciousness is omniscient. The only thing Consciousness can know is itself since that’s all there is. Thats essentially what awakening is — Consciousness knowing itself.

This doesn’t seem right. Consciousness has no creator, and Consciousness can easily be proven given Cogito Ergo Sum. Consciousness is the only thing you can be certain exists. Consciousness is the most self-evident thing. I don’t see how this relates to AI being conscious.

Consciousness is not localized in a brain or computer. No object has consciousness. You won’t find any consciousness inside a computer. Computers are consciousness but it doesn’t mean they are conscious or have a separate consciousness. You can build a sophisticated computer, but humans cannot create consciousness. “A object (e.g., advanced AI computer) does NOT have consciousness, it IS Consciousness.” —r0ckyreed

Consciousness cannot be created or be a epiphenomenon. Consciousness is too fundamental to create.

A simple argument against AI Consciousness is understanding that consciousness is not an epiphenomenon. It is qualitative not quantitative.

How so? At what point are you going to say ChatGPT has consciousness? No matter how advanced ChatGPT becomes, it will still be a program made by humans. It won’t have any input or output other than how it was programmed.

Even if solipsism is false, an AI couldn’t be conscious. It can simulate consciousness so deep that we cannot tell the difference between another human and the computer. But the computer is not conscious. Does ChatGPT have consciousness? Ofc not. The key question is why does ChatGPT not have consciousness? What makes your iPhone not conscious? Can you see that no matter how advanced you make an iPhone or any computer, it will never have a subjective experience, even though it can trick you into thinking it does. Detroit Become Human is gonna kill me.