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The Force is the best description I think of reality. When you say God, people think you are religious and think you are monotheistic. When you say The Force, that captures pantheism and the essence of reality much deeper. Reality isn’t a man in the sky. Reality is The Force, the energy and consciousness in all things. The Force is a better term because God is assumed to be a powerful being, whereas the Force is pure magic with no being. The Force represents pure Love, relative morality, and the embracement of both light and dark sides. Whereas the term God implies an absolute morality.

Don’t be a stormtrooper. Become a Jedi like Yoda and meditate with The Force. As Rose says “don’t fight what you hate, save what you love.” Jedis = Journaling, Education, Discipline, Imagination, Solitude/Spirituality

Keep it simple. Wake up, eat food, drink water, and then follow whatever lights you up in that moment. If you are grinding through some routine, your mind is gonna be soft. Be creative with your life. Keep it simple. Try doing something completely different. Try not going by routine but go by inspiration for one week. See how your life changes if you go by inspiration instead of grinding. Keep it simple. Do what works. Don’t do what doesn’t work. Discipline means to be a disciple to what you love. Do what you love and you will have energy guaranteed. If not, then there is something physiologically/psychologically wrong or you don’t really love what you are doing. Running and working out gives me energy. Here is the counterintuitive move, to gain energy, you first have to expend energy. If you are working out your body but not your mind, then that is a problem.

My mate, the whole point of a morning routine is to energize you for the rest of the day. You don’t need to be doing a 3 hour morning routine. If you fill your morning with a bunch of tasks, your gonna burnout. For me personally, I don’t even have a morning routine per se. I tend to follow my inspiration rather than some rigid routine. Doing something different each day makes new neural connections and activates and engages different parts of the brain than if you are doing same thing each day. If you did 100 push-ups everyday, you wouldn’t grow after a certain point. You have to vary it up and work on different facets. It’s not about how long you meditate, it is about how deep you go. Learn how to meditate deeply in a 10 minute period. Here’s the key thing: Your morning routine should be simple to energize you to get your tasks done. I feel like you use such an extensive routine as a way to procrastinate or prolong doing the tasks required that day. Shorten your routine to 30 minutes. Then tackle the hell out of your main project that day. You attentional capacity and mental resources are limited each day. Use your mind when it is fresh rather than using your prime attention on tasks not required. Can you be energized for the day in less than 30 minutes? 15 minutes? Why 3 hours? I said it all here. Again, your working memory and attention are limited each day. Use your mind when it is fresh. $$$$Again, the whole purpose of a morning ritual is to give you the energy and motivation/inspiration for the rest of the day. If your morning ritual is making you tired, you are doing something wrong.$$$$ Edit: Watch The movie series Rocky. You think Rocky Balboa’s morning ritual takes him long? Keep it simple. Rocky just eats eggs, stretches and goes for a quick run. Good luck.

Awesome! Thanks for the reading! It was pretty accurate and helpful!

You are pretending you are real All others are yourself. Other people aren’t pretending, you are! Why are you pretending?

Here is my thought, I could be wrong: Buttons could symbolize the need for closure, security, comfort, etc. I think of buttons as wanting to cover ourselves up, to put clothes on ourselves. I think the buttons could symbolize that a part of yourself hasn’t been fully explored or realized yet. Hence, your true body is behind your clothes so to speak. Next time you see buttons, take note of your state of mind and situation to see what it means for you specifically. If I saw buttons a lot, that is how I would interpret it most likely. Edit: Why do we button at all? Is there a part of ourselves that we are still insecure about? Maybe that could be what button is pointing towards.

So glad you have the courage to share your gift with others here. I encourage you to keep practicing your psychic abilities no matter what people say. Not all “truth-realized people” have tapped into their psychic potential. I aspire to develop my psychic abilities in due time! Psychic potential is as important as truth. Truth is something you do for yourself and psychic powers are something you give to others. At least that is my perspective of it as of now. I have taken the Myers-Briggs test many times and I go back-and-forth between INTP-A and INFP-A. I consider my personality to be a deep, critical, and creative thinker. I love my own solitude and love being out in nature. When I am around others, I am initially shy (introverted) at first. Once I am comfortable, I can become the life of the party. The activities I have done and excelled at have been me being a tennis player, magician, chess player, trumpet player, writer, and singer. Everything I desire, I pretty much excel at. Ambition is a strength of mine and perfectionism can be a shortcoming. I have high energy and am hyperactive, engaged, and am humorous depending on the vibe and comfortability I feel in the moment. Not sure if you need any other information. As for a specific reading, I am open to whatever you can read from what I have given you so far. Welcome to the forum!

The God’s view technique, or view from above as called in stoicism, is about maintaining objectivity even in the hardest moments. A simple fact you can realize in hard times is that you aren’t alone, and suffering is a temporary storm that will pass. It takes practice and it is hard to do this technique while in the moment but with practice you can. It helps me to not be so attached and helps me appreciate how big the universe is and how small my concerns are. i’m not sure if I understand your question, it is really natural to me. All you need is imagination. Imagination is a vital skill that needs to be developed and in survivors of trauma, imagination can become weakened/stunted according to Van Der Kolk. To strengthen your imagination, you need to first practice seeing things in your mind’s eye. Think back to your imagination when you were a child and work from there. Visualization is so powerful that we can either use it to empower ourselves or to make ourselves suffer. Edit: One skill that I’m really good at that I think is one of the most important skills to have is the ability to reframe negative events as positive. The ability to reframe is essential to live a happy life. Without reframe you were at the whims of external circumstances. For instance if you get fired from a job you can see that and reframe that as an opportunity to find a deeper part of yourself that you may have never found. Another is to see you’re suffering from the bigger picture perspective and that there are lessons that can be learned from our previous experiences such as toxic relationships, etc. Reframing is essentially a different perspective on your current dominant narrative. And in narrative therapy we have a dominant narrative which is the story that we tell ourselves. But there are alternative narratives that can contain empowering stories that we sometimes don’t tell ourselves. Alternative narratives look for the unique strengths that we have and then reframe that to our given circumstance. Read up on narrative therapy. I have used it in my work with clients, and it works.

Zoom out of your own point of view. Take the view of God. See all the planets, stars, etc. Realize how small your problems are compared to the universe. Realize that nothing matters and it will all be okay. When you take God’s view, you realize you aren’t alone. You can be secure in knowing that everyone is insecure. Start questioning your worry, and realize that no amount of worry can ever change a situation. Worry and anxiety is like a merry-go-round, you are spinning and going nowhere. Distancing is a psychology technique you can use to find insights into your problems. The best way is to always honor and follow your highest inspiration/desire. Do an activity that is fun and that you can engage with like walking or music. I believe Einstein had an insight into general relativity when he was out for a walk. Maybe you will have an insight too! Edit: Find your ideal hobby/coping skill. For me that is walking, meditating, and running. Remember to always follow your highest desire and everything will be okay. Don’t confuse your highest desire with fear. Happiness is a mindset, anxiety/depression is a mindset, and Heaven/Hell are mindsets. What is your mindset? Where did you learn your current mindset from? What is your heart’s desire? See my other posts for more info if this doesn’t make sense.

I have been contemplating the nature of desire for a couple hours now from scratch and here is what I have come up with so far. I am still refining my ideas. What is desire? - Desire is the minds capacity, action, and tendency for wanting some thing. - This definition is broad to encompass all forms and levels of desire. - Desire is not as simple as wanting this or that. Desire is the emotional energy that gives birth to all action. Forms of desire: 1. Improvement 2. Maintain 3. Possess 4. Create 5. Destroy 6. Let go 7. Comfort/security 8. approval/recognition/attention 9. Love Levels of desire: 1. shallow vs. deep 2. explicit vs. implicit 3. healthy vs. unhealthy (helpful vs. unhelpful) 4. Conscious vs. unconscious 5. authentic vs. inauthentic (important one here) 6. self vs. other (desire for yourself and for other) 7. Central vs. peripheral desires Was Buddha Wrong? Desire and attachment have overlap but aren’t the same. If you have absolutely no desires, you would be dead. To survive is to desire. Think of every action you take as a desire. You could even think of each cell of your body as having a desire to survive and maintain the systems of your body. Desire is not always conscious. Desire is the foundation for everything. To even use your energy to sit down and meditate needs desire. Life cannot be lived without some form of desire. There is even a certain desire in detaching from attachments. Why detach at all? The key difference between attachment and desire is that not all desire is attachment. Attachment is a shallow form of desire that is clingy and holds onto things, whereas a more broader or healthier desire is about being fluid and flexible in the ability of letting go. Liberation from suffering is having the right priorities and healthy desires put in place. Liberation is holistic, which means that all different forms and levels of desires need to be integrated. You don’t just have one desire. You have multiple desires that can often be competing with each other. I call these conflicting desires. Contemplate all the conflicting desires you have. Here are some of mine: 1. Desire to be physically fit vs. desire to eat junk food. 2. Desire to be ambitious/disciplined vs. desire to be lazy/playful 3. Desire for solitude vs. desire to socialize 4. Desire to be outdoors vs. indoors 5. Desire to detach from media vs. desire to remain attached. 6. Desire to meditate vs. desire to go to bars We also have a desire-center and desire-periphery. Desire-center is when desire is at the forefront of your attention, which is not always your most healthiest desire. Desire-periphery are all the other desires in the background that can compete with desire-center. Distraction is when inauthentic, shallow, and unimportant desires take up the space in the desire-center. The highest peace is the highest desire. When Dumbledore and Harry Potter were at the Mirror of Erised (I noticed this is desire backwards :D), Dumbledore says “The happiest man on earth can look into the mirror and see only himself exactly as he is.” The Mirror represents our deepest desire. The happiest person desires nothing but to see reality exactly as it is, to become one and whole with it. Dumbledore also warns Harry not to “dwell on dreams and forget to live.” Unhealthy desire turns into obsession, which could lead into suffering. You can even see the importance of desire portrayed in other pop culture films such as Aladdin (Genie lamp), Pirates of Caribbean (Jack’s compass), Bruce Almighty, Bedazzled, and others. The key is a lot of people seem to be misguided on what they truly want. You may desire fame or money or drugs or whatever, but is that what you truly desire? Introspection skill is a must here. An important part of the process is sorting out authentic vs inauthentic desires. The inauthentic can lead to a lot of suffering. Whereas, authentic desires can lead us to more freedom. Desire is not the enemy. Desire is rather the foundation and essence for life itself and living up to your full potential. The highest desire goes full circle into detachment and acceptance. Detachment isn’t a lack of desire, but rather the lack of putting emotional investment and identification in things/events. What do you all think? Was the Buddha wrong about desire being the cause of suffering? Let me know!

Desire is the essence of the Rocky Balboa lifestyle. Rocky Balboa isn’t just a movie, it is a way of life. Desire + discipline = ambition ambition + time = success/growth

What is the difference between intuition and heuristic and logic? How can you tell the difference? What is the best method for deriving knowledge and making decisions? Heuristic definition from Wikipedia: A heuristic, or heuristic technique, is any approach to problem solving or self-discovery that employs a practical method that is not guaranteed to be optimal, perfect, or rational, but is nevertheless sufficient for reaching an immediate, short-term goal or approximation. Intuition definition from Wikipedia: Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without recourse to conscious reasoning. Logic definition from Wikipedia: Logic is the study of correct reasoning or good arguments. It is often defined in a more narrow sense as the science of deductively valid inferencesor of logical truths. One of the perks of logic and rationality is that you can follow your chain of reasoning from the conclusions asserted. Whereas, with intuition and heuristics, conclusions are made with no apparent chain of reasoning. If you cannot track your train of thought, then how can you know if you are using intuition, genuine knowing without conscious reasoning, or heuristic, which is a mental short cut based on our biases. Intuition I think is a form of mental shortcut, so how does it really differ from heuristics? With heuristics, you can be quite convinced and can confuse them with intuition. For example, if you meet someone and have a strange feeling about them, is that intuition or heuristic being played there? Is your feeling grounded in what is true or is it biases you have picked up from the social matrix? Logic, on the other hand, can track chains of thoughts to help us pinpoint inconsistencies in our chain of thinking. Logic is a second-order phenomenon to senses/experience/consciousness. You might say that logic cannot be reliable because you can logic anything and can arrive at different conclusions. For instance, you may say that Christians are using logic to justify their beliefs and so are atheists. But is that really so? Or are you conflating logic and heuristics together? When someone justifies their beliefs, that is a fallacy (error in logic) and heuristic. Remember, logic is a way of thinking objectively about a situation, arriving at a conclusion through a chain of reasoning. If something in the chain of reasoning is incorrect, then your conclusion is likely to be incorrect because of a flawed foundation. An issue with logic is that your conclusion can be correct, but your reasoning to get there can be wrong in the same way that you can get the right answer to a math problem but not employ the right methods. This matters because of consistency. If you get the right answers by cheating off someone else (like believing in pastor without reading the Bible and thinking for yourself), then you never develop cognitive autonomy and strength for every day life decision-making. When it comes to the test (we all get different forms), you won’t be able to do crap because of the method used in this example. Logic is a method for following your train of thought that enables one to be able to detect errors in thinking (fallacies) and be able to make decisions without being influenced by emotions. With heuristics (and possibly intuition?), they seem to be heavily influenced by our biases and emotions, so we cannot fully trust them. Emotions are like weather and are inconsistent, which is why we can’t rely on them to make decisions. Logic helps us keep ourselves honest and to avoid our emotions from clouding our judgment, as we can see if heuristics. I have a sense that intuition transcends logic, but I am unsure how, if at all, intuition can transcend heuristics and biases? Edit: Another issue with logic is that multiple conclusions and contradictory conclusions can be arrived at with valid reasoning. In that case, the method of logic does not always arrive us all to the same conclusions, so this is also an inevitable issue with the system of logic and the human mind, but logic is still valuable because it helps us track our train of thought instead of taking mental shortcuts through emotional decision-making. You could argue that every decision-making is an emotional decision-making. But what I am saying is going that extra step to think things through and question your decisions to see behind their influence, which is an exceptional skill to have in society today. What do you think about all this? What is the difference between intuition and heuristics, and logic? Which method is a better way of making decisions in everyday life? Intuition I think is a form of mental shortcut, so how does it really differ from heuristics?

How do you tell whether it is intuition or heuristic/bias?

The way I use desire is a broad idea that encompasses the energy to do something. I feel like the Buddha used desire to mean wanting something that you don’t have now. But that to me is a limiting view of desire because not all desire is focused on what you don’t have already. We often forget about the desires to maintain and create/destroy. Can you really create without some form, conscious or unconscious form of desire? Desire to me is the energy, motivation, and will to do something. In the flow state, I am flowing am often flowing towards something as opposed to grinding against something. For instance, I can work out and flow with that and I can do schoolwork and flow with that. When I flow with something, I do not desire anything beyond what I am doing. But that to me doesn’t mean desire is not present. To exercise and to do schoolwork, to exert any energy what so ever to me comes down to a certain level and quality of desire. Why choose exercise over TV? We make choices all the time and it is motivated by a certain desire in that moment I think. I think I am in the flow state most often when I am following my desires fully. If you are doing what you don’t really want to do, it can be hard to go in flow with that. But what helps me get into flow is following my passion/desire at any given moment. Yeah. Reflexes are very interesting. I think that desire is such a deep topic, much deeper than we would normally think. I think our body and all of our cells have desires in a way. For instance, you may desire to stop drugs, but your body could still be desiring them. White blood cells also go after germs to preserve immune system. But you bring a good point on whether it is just an automatic process or a will/desire. The issue is where do we draw the line between reflex and desire, or are they one? Without the homeostasis that is happening at a bodily level, then we could not desire and live I guess you could say. We naturally have an inclination to pursue pleasure and avoid pain. The stove situation could be a form of unconscious desire. It is not you consciously will to pull your hand away, it is just that the body itself has an inclination and will to survive. I think the energy of the current/flow is the energy of desire. Desire not in the sense of wanting something that you don’t have, but desire in the sense of energy, motivation, and ambition. Desire and satisfaction can be compatible with each other. When they aren’t working together, suffering arises. What I am saying is that even to act, to move your body, to move into comfort/discomfort, refraining from impulses, discipline, and even to breathe has its roots in desire. There is a difference to what you may desire and what your body may desire. I call these conflicting desires. You might consciously desire not to close your eyes when an object is close like my finger, but another part of your mind unconsciously desires to close your eyes because a part of your mind doesn’t trust fully. It doesn’t matter if you try to convince your mind that nothing will harm the eye, your eye will close when my finger comes close. At least until you begin doing classical/operant conditioning. This is where I disagree with Peter Ralston and Buddha. Not all desire is about the future. This can be the difference between desiring to get an A and a desire to learn for its own sake. Or the desire to beat your own time at running vs. the desire just to go for a run, be present, and have fun. I think both of these cases are forms of desire at the root. What do you think?

I am currently reading How To Think Like Sherlock Holmes by Maria Konnikova. One thing that has stood out to me so far is her section on The Two M’s: Mindfulness and Motivation. She states that research supports that motivated students outperform. Motivation was found to generalize to academic performance, fewer criminal convictions, better employment outcomes, and an overall life satisfaction. The concept of “rage to master” coined by Ellen Winner describes the internal/intrinsic motivation and desire to master a specific domain. People with a rage to master, which is a desire for mastery were found to be more successful than controls. In general, people who are motivated most outperform. Motivation and desire are linked. Desire is linked to growth and success. If you don’t desire growth, how can you grow? Suffering to me is the lack of desire, lack of motivation. Can acceptance and motivation/desire be compatible with each other?? Desire to me is like water for a flower. The flower needs water to live and grow, but it needs a certain quality and amount of water for the balance of its life and growth. Balance is health. Either extreme of water/desire can be unhealthy. It’s like the Buddha said with The Middle Way, neither self-indulgence nor self-denial.

Awesome! I like that. Most definitely. My claim is that as long as you are surviving, you cannot fully escape bias and ego. Ego and bias are essential to survival and what makes “you” unique. Maybe I am not understanding what desirelessness is. I guess I am associating desirelessness with apathy and depression. Whereas desire I associate with passion and excitement in striving towards goals. Happiness to me is finding content, gratitude, and satisfaction with the present moment as it is. A higher form of happiness could be also filled with the energy of passion and excitement towards the present moment. How do you attain desirelessness without desiring for it? Maybe desirelessness is more like acceptance rather than a lack of desire?

I appreciate your perspective. I would say Buddha was partly right. Suffering is a natural part of life. I see life more like an adventure than as a torture chamber like Buddha may have seen it. Life as an adventure implies challenge and delight. Desire gives us something to look forward towards and helps us be able to bear our suffering. Desire and meaning I think are connected. But there are desires that can lead us away from our true desire. Viktor Frankl’s book is good for illustrating importance of desire, meaning, and perception. To me, it isn’t all desire that causes suffering, but rather our perception and frame of mind when things don’t go our way. Things not going our way is inevitable, but suffering can be optional for how we process experience. Suffering to me is dissatisfaction and lack of desire like apathy. It is vital to me to live a passionate life. When I am full of passion, I am most at peace in my experience. I think it all comes down to the quality of our desires. Attachment and craving could be seen as low level desires. Whereas passion and meaning can be high quality desires - the difference between hedonism and eudaimonia. For your last question, your mind creates wrong and imperfection out of perfection which is a reason for suffering. A suffering mind creates problems, apathy, etc., and a peaceful mind creates solutions, meaning, and passion/desire. There is nothing wrong with suffering. If there is, then that is the suffering! What do you think?

Thanks mate. Glad I got you thinking. ❤️? Good question. I would suggest that true acceptance also includes acceptance of thoughts. Thinking is a natural part of mind. Deep acceptance may lead to deep silence, but that is because thinking is also accepted for what it is as well. I believe thinking is a good thing, but thinking is often demonized just like desire in part because the negative aspects are generalized. I find quietude in my mind when I am able to accept my thoughts for what they are. My struggle is that I can’t maintain no-mind for very long because that is when I get really creative thoughts and insights. That is just my experience at least.

How do you really know that? Unless you can read people’s minds, or have awakened to the highest, you can’t possibly know what or who has reached the highest levels of consciousness? Even if you do awaken, you are so conscious that there are no others who are awake with you. It’s just you. What I learned here on this forum is that anyone can claim they are awake when they are really full of crap. What criteria do you use to determine if someone is awake? If you are already awake, then this question of who is most woke is absurd. Maybe so. Maybe there is music now instead of noise. I can’t imagine anyone living without thinking. I mean how does he even do math and keep track of his finances from his teachings lol. You see the issue with people who claim they have no thought but yet still go to the bank and survive? I believe no-mind can be short-term, but eventually you have to have a strategy for how your gonna get your next meal. Maybe what he really means is that his mind is playing like music instead of hammering like a monkey. He still has thoughts, but his thoughts are more deliberate and if higher quality. I would even consider talking to be a form of thought and even action if we wanna go deep with where your thought ends and action begins. Where is the boundary? To have no thought is death. That actually is one of the examples I listed in my journal that illustrates my point. If you had no desire, there would be no point in breathing. Why breathe? You both conscious and unconsciously will to breathe. Like I said in my first post. Our desires can be conscious or unconscious. Why breathe? Why do our cells bother to preserve our body and immune system? Why do we eat? Why meditate? It is our desire for life. If you hold your breath, you will feel your desire for life. If you didn’t desire life, then you wouldn’t breathe and live. How do we know? We put these gurus on pedestals and idolize them. And at the same time, that idolization blocks you from realizing that they are you. What’s the name of the book? Thank you for helping me clarify my points in my contemplation on desire.

Isn’t that also a desire? I say that because if I have an itch on my ear, a part of my mind really really wants to scratch it, but I have a desire to be in control of my emotions, so I refrain from engagement. The act of refraining from one desire appear to be the engagement in another. I agree with you about the desire to cling as a cause for suffering. I think that is what Buddha meant specifically. But not all desire is clinging. Like you said, desire is life. Without desire, there is no reason to put food in mouth. Peter Ralston I think even falls into the same trap of demonizing desire as well. He fails to account for unconscious desires that are currently present. I don’t think all desire is about the future. But I think the most common use of the concept of how much people use it is what Peter Ralston was talking about - The unhealthy form of desire. I’ll talk about that more after I have contemplated in more to see my blind spots on this issue. Nope. Why does he have a preference for silencing the mind? Maybe you could say that he is so conscious that all mind activity stops. But he has many desires going on in that moment such as the will to even breathe, to even converse with another person, to even move a muscle or stay perfectly still takes will which is desire. That is what I would say. I would also question his seemingly negative attitudes towards fear and desire. There is nothing I see specifically wrong with emotions of fear and desire for instance. It is how the emotions are used. Is one conscious of their emotions and acting in conscious ways or not? For me personally, I see a problem with striving to become emotionless. Fear and desire are both powerful forces that can be used for the highest love or highest destruction. The denial of desire, of ones feelings is the denial of the heart. The Alchemist is a good book on following your the highest desire of your heart. That is my thoughts right now, but I will contemplate it some more.

Good. Don’t trust any test for that matter. Tests are trying to map who you are. They have the potential of being helpful in seeing your strengths and blind spots. All tests though are limited. This test already requires you to have a high introspection skill. That is the problem with self-report measures. But it is what it is for an online assessment.

Are you more logical or intuitive? Take the test here and share your results. https://www.psychmechanics.com/intuition-test/ My results: Rational Ability = 45 / 50 Rational Engagement = 42 / 50 Experiential Ability = 42 / 50 Experiential Engagement = 44 / 50 My results indicate that my personality is more rational, but my preferences for decision-making are intuitive. I think this resonates. The contradiction/paradox that I am trying to navigate through is learning how to balance my intuitive and logical sides. I aspire to be more intuitive because I feel like it is a higher-order level of understanding. Intuition is outside of a box, whereas logic works in a box. And yet, all my explanations and thoughts about intuition are themselves logic. Should your lifestyle be built around logic or intuition? This is a hard one for me. I make goals for myself sometimes, but I always end up acting based on how I feel. After some thought, maybe it is better to live an intuitive lifestyle because the universe isn’t logical but rather more intuitive kind of like it is shown in Star Wars. Do you think contemplation is more logical or intuitive? I find it harbors both aspects (but more on the side of intuition maybe?) because you have an intuition but then you contemplate and investigate the reasoning to verify insight/intuition. What is the difference between logical thinking and intuitive thinking? How can you tell? Can we really trust intuition? Aren’t all religions based off of intuition? Logic/critical thinking may be a better method? What are your all’s thoughts on my questions? What are your all’s results on the test? Thanks!

Good one. I’m sure that could fall under desire for possession or comfort/security. I’ll add that one to my list. I agree. I think Buddha was talking about a specific form of unhealthy desire/attachment. I think it is a mistake to generalize all desire as suffering or even to say that “life is suffering.” Suffering is part of life and so is joy. I think this is correct. Desire is the driving force for life. I wouldn’t say that all desire is hedonistic, but many unhealthy desires sure can be. Higher forms of desire I think are more eudaimonic.