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@fridjonk When did I say there was? If you’re referring to the LOC map that is just that a Map, that shows depths of awakening, and points out beings who have realised this deeply. (PS if you want to go down that route I’ve been speaking with several awakened beings who wouldn’t even regard Leo as in Non-Duality, hence why I doubt he’s the most awakened being of all time?) I know how it sounds though. Rupert says is bette than this vessel can https://non-duality.rupertspira.com/read/who_awakens

@fridjonk No, what I’m trying to say is everyone is The Absolute/ God/ The Self, whatever you want to call it, some are simply more conscious of this than others. No “individual” can be more awake, as there is no person who is enlightened, if you still think you’re an enlightened person, you’re not a Self-Realised, that’s what I’m trying to say. Majority of teachers say this, the ones that say “I’m more awake than everyone else” e.g. Bentino Massano, have been known to be running a cult like Organization and commit sexual abuse, as by saying I’m so enlightened, you are making yourself superior. True awakening humbles you more than anything. im of course not saying there isn’t depth to awakening, of course there is, I’m just saying be wary of someone screaming they’re the most awake being of all time, when 1000s of masters over the ages have also warned against this, that’s all.

@ajasatya this is kind of my point, some have simply realised the truth of their own being more deeply than others, you can’t be more awake than anyone! @electroBeam Yeah maybe I am, my point is that, similar to you, I just wonder if the constant state chasing makes you more awake. If you want to explore consciousness and this dream, go for it, but realising your nature of your being and Self-Relalization is more what I’m interested in

@fridjonk We will see in time how true this “authority” is and how much of it is simply a term known as “Inflation” From an outside perspective, with no Bias towards or against Leo (despite you thinking I do) this seems more accurate, that’s all : http://www.kheper.net/topics/gurus/inflation.html

@fridjonk If he does, and you guys still follow him blindly then it's going to literally prove what me and a few others have been thinking for a while If this doesn't already. @Haumea2018

@Bazooka Jesus Yeah man if you can' concentrate you're pretty screwed. Do you have ADD? What's your diet like? Have you heard of Dopamine fasting? If you're on your Phone, Netflix, Gaming etc 24/7 it screws your brains reward system, maybe look into that.

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@Bazooka Jesus If you're looking for a way to just produce an income so you're free to pursue a passion-based business or just passions, I'd recommend looking into online business if you have some spare money.

@RendHeaven Yes exactly that, and I would also propose this video by Rupert Spira explains is really well. It's all about meeting people where they're at, some people just want to meditate to reduce anxiety or manage stress after work and that's okay too, because like I said it's planting a seed at least, and regular meditation will start to help open gaps in between thoughts and maybe get them interested in going deeper, or maybe simply helping people with Anxiety could be their path in this lifetime and that's okay too, as dealing with Mental Illnesses is a critical part of life, and the path, although of course awakening can help with that too. Also, a lot of people simply just aren't ready to dive deep into the depths of their own being, but it doesn't mean you can't still help them, for example a stressed out banker, Mindfulness and meditation could still help him massively both in his personal and professional life, then who knows maybe in a decade he'll read I AM THAT by Nisgardatta Maharaj And like you say true Non-Duality literally can't be taught, even Non-Duality and Spirituality are simply concepts, all there is is THIS, but even that is saying too much. That is why Transmissions and silence have always been regarded as the highest teachings, it was Ramana who said 'Self-Inquiry is for those not ready for the silence' but Self-Inquiry helps people 'get to' that silence! But, even beyond that, post-awakening there is still room for personal growth and things such as Health& Fitness, Business teaching, etc, you are still a human and human life continues until this body is dropped, the evolution in the human dimension is never-ending. We still have personalities, an Enneagram type, relationships, jobs/ businesses. So, to me it's about finding something you LOVE and expressing the understanding in your unique way, whether it's a health and fitness business, a waiter or becoming a streamer/blogger if the motivation and desire behind it is from love and truth, I'm sure there are ways to make it work. And, in @Raptorsin7 case, it may take a fair amount of work and figuring out but I'm sure they'd be some sort of way of dealing with it. A random idea I had just now is creating an online course on 'Overcoming Video Game Addiction' and introducing concepts such as Meditation, Mindfulness, Exercise, Healthy Eating, Holistic Living etc in helping these young people overcome this addiction, I think he might have to pay me to become his business advisor at this rate Alan Watts is a great example, I actually think he was awakened, just not 'all the way' like say Ramana and Nisgardatta and Rupert Spira are, but I don't regard many teachers as fully self-realized. I think the best example right now as the perfect bridge is Eckhart Tolle, he's taken the western world by storm, made millions in the process and is introducing many to Non-Duality without even using the word! Simple words such as Presence& The Now, are allowing complete beginners to get a taste of truth. He was my introduction into this work, and to be honest I was a fanboy of his for a while when I was 16, and I'm certainly not saying he's not awake, he clearly is, again though awakening has many depths and your average westerner isn't ready for 'All that exists is The Absolute, the world doesn't actually exist how you think it does, and by the way you're not the Doer, never have been and The Absolute is behind EVERYTHING!' but many can comprehend 'All that exists is now, investigate time and see that the past and future are merely concepts' So, yeah, I feel watering down is actually essential to getting more mainstream audiences interested in this, I know in my own business I'm attempting to do this by helping to teach people to meditate by publishing Guided Meditations on Audible, among building a 'brand' of books around Spirituality on some of the topics we discussed. Eventually, I do want to become a 1-1 teacher (I think there's enough talking with a flower right now!) and help people directly awaken, but I also LOVE building businesses, and am only 20, and have a lot of integration work left. I also want to be more of a holistic teacher than just 'There's nobody there blah blah Non-Dual nihilism blah' and include things such as Holistic Living, Health& Fitness, Diet, Breathwork, Cold Therapy, how to deepen relationships, live in abundance etc so for now, building the online business it is! Plus, if I manage to create financial freedom through my business (which I've had to change recently) then I would be completely free to pursue a fully passion-based business & 'teaching' and wouldn't have to charge much at all which would be ideal!

@Michael569 I read his PDF and here's his basic recommnedations- 700-1000mg of Elderberry for Maximum of 12 weeks, so pick 12 weeks where Corona will be at it's peak in your area. 15mg/1mg Zinc/Copper taken up to 4 times per day Zinc Lozenges once per day, and every 2 hours when symptoms arise! Optional Extras- Garlic, Echinacea, N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) (If you get the illness) Seems very basic, and I'll be stopping high dose Vitamin D and C for the next few months at least, I have low doses in my Vegan Multivitamin and Omega 3s I take so going to cycle them, and take 1 one day and the other the next. Unless you have any other recommendations.

@RendHeaven Sorry! It sounded a bit like Nihilism at first glance as I thought you meant Spirituality can't be expressed in all areas of life, but I now realized you mean the seeking phase. And, I get you I guess I was more talking about a typical awakened beings embodiment, it's exactly what I'm trying to do in all areas of life is embody this understanding and love, even including when I play Fifa So, sorry the misunderstanding there! In regards to my own journey, I'll keep it brief, I worked with my teacher Ananda Devi 1-1 for 9 months to help work through any blockages, issues, confusions etc, and it always finished with a RASA transmission, and honestly, before that, I was a typical overthinking western seeker who believed they could figure this out with my mind! Self-Realization humbled me extreme amounts, to the point of realizing there is NO hierarchy and that The Self is literally ALL, and that 'I' am Simply The Self, although of course there is no 'I' to awaken, it is simply awareness becoming aware of itself as Rupert says. In other words, The Realization of The Truth of My Own Being has occurred, hence why I shoot towards embodiment as that's exactly where 'I'm' at. Please, don't think I'm trying to say 'look at me I'm so enlightened!!!' as like I said I'm not an enlightened person at all, simply the realization of my own being and nature of reality has occurred, as well as realizing things such as the true nature of Love, feel free to PM as I'd love to discuss more about your journey, and where you're at All I will say, is to anyone reading this, KEEP GOING, absolute peace and happiness is worth whatever it takes, and beats ANY state! Anyways, I now see your concerns, as a seeker, it may be best to stop the games for a while and like you said it may be like before the 1st Zen picture! So, I see the issue of teaching consciousness in this way so to speak, my 'hope' for this idea is introducing potentially 1000s into Spirituality/ Non-Duality through the medium of video games. Like I said, Non-Duality may be way too heavy for most to begin with so maybe it will have to be watered down to more mainstream topics like typical Mindfulness and Meditation to begin with. Maybe he could do sort of beginner streams, and then more 'advanced' Non-Duality streams for those wishing to dive deeper? I understand the Meshing point now, you meant as in helping seekers, often you do need a direct teacher I feel to go 'All The Way' so to speak, most modern teachers - Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, Jean Klein, Ramaji, Nisgardatta Maharaj, Adya - all had some form of a teacher or 'help' along the path. But, maybe Raptors could also offer 1-1 teaching or group Satsangs for those who ask and are ready? And, yes for many who awaken they could drop gaming if it doesn't serve them anymore as Leo has done, and for others they may play in a more 'Conscious' way, either way as you said once someone is awakened there is complete freedom. Gaming won't be the same as it was before as chasing happiness and raging etc, more of an expression of the innate happiness and fulfillment within, and a simple way to have fun with friends. I guess Raptors could also help make gaming more conscious? Like help them express their emotions in a healthier manner etc, or maybe that's wishful thinking from my end, but I just see a HUGE group of people like 16-25 who could be attracted to spirituality through this, and nobody is really doing it, and it could help make the gaming community much happier and healthier if they go deep into this work, and many may drop games altogether like we mentioned. I've dropped things that no longer serve me in my own life, or I don't feel are an expression of this understanding of Happiness, Love, Understanding and Truth. But, some things came back naturally, maybe they are meant to be there right now. Like I said, absolute freedom allows us to do what we want, naturally and spontaneously! And, Post-Awakening in terms of work/ relationships etc, whatever we do will come from a place of Love and Understanding and wanting to be of service to help others, and that doesn't mean being a direct teacher always, you could be an athlete and express this as it's what you LOVE to do. I'm a BIG fan of beings doing what they love and expressing their understanding through that, whether it's Art, Sports, Coffee Shop worker or Conventional Teacher, here comes some New age optimism, but imagine a world where people dedicated their careers and lives to doing what they love? And, yes serving coffee with love is amazing! P.S. Running in the park during this Corona stuff is an awesome way to start the day, get some natural light and some exercise, as is walking!

@RendHeaven Yeah sorry if I hammered home the addiction point, it just sounded like from my view you at least had an unhealthy relationship to games from your original post, sorry if that wasn't the post, I just think the way you described games as having a 'Choke Hold' on you sounded quite serious, that's all. Sorry if I misinterpreted it. Maybe I used the word addicted in a poor way, I just meant to the extent these games are seriously harming you in other areas of life, for example not working to play Video Games, not developing relationships, etc, etc. I don't know that much about that kind of gaming community in terms of LOL and the like, except a lot of 'typical' gamers end up playing for hours and hours, so I can, of course, see your concerns. By the way, I'm not denying the average person gets lulled into 'Unconsciousness' which I guess you mean relatively speaking 'lower consciousness' as watch any streamer and you'll see that's the case, but I have a HUGE issue with your last 'Meta' point as it seriously misunderstands embodying awakening, and I would class that kind of message to any seeker reading this as highly dangerous actually. 'Committing to Consciousness' which by I guess you mean committing to awakening does not mean you HAVE to give up all of your hobbies and interests, while for a period of time this may be essential, to help you on the path, full Self-Realization is then followed up with full integration of this understanding into ALL areas of life, so in fact 'meshing' spirituality with things such as Cooking, Novels, Relationships is INCREDIBLY important and I can't stress this enough. # Spirituality isn't some separate pursuit in which Enlightenment means all you now do is meditate and do nothing ever again, it is simply the realization of the truth of your own being, and the realization of The Absolute as EVERYTHING, including this laptop, games, food, etc, literally EVERYTHING that exists. Therefore, integrating this understanding of Truth, Love and Happiness is integral to embodying true awakening. If you make spirituality some separate pursuit, to me that is a huge mistake and you then run the risk of falling into the seeking trap and feeling you need to do hundreds of hours of every practice under the sun to have even a chance of awakening, which some people may need, who knows. True awakening means actually embodying the understanding in all areas of life such as relationships, activities, the food you eat, the lifestyle you lead etc. Yes, for a while you may need to drop certain activities such as Gaming, but it doesn't mean you can't return to these to use your terminology in a 'Higher Consciousness' manner and play the games without 'lulling into unconsciousness.' Just for example's sake I will show how to 'mesh' these activities- Relationships- Embodying the understanding that the so-called 'other' is literally YOU, and embodying your understanding of Love into relationships is key and will help you deepen and develop all relationships in your life significantly. Someone could certainly 'teach' about relationships from a 'Non-Dual' perspective. Cooking- This one is obvious, firstly, basing your food choices on foods that nourish your body and make you feel good, this is a clear form of Self-Love, to take it further, I would argue since you now know ALL living beings are YOU, you would at least limit the number of animal products you eat, to help minimize the exploitation of these beings. You could certainly teach nutrition and healthy living from a 'Spiritual' vantage point. Novels - Again, if you were a writer you would simply use your understanding to permeate the core messages and stories in your books, to tell one that expresses Love, Happiness and Joy throughout. Funnily enough, a lot of stories do this anyways, as true creativity comes from The Absolute, and therefore, is filled with the inherent values of The Absolute. For example, Harry Potter's core message is Love is the strongest force in the Universe and will always be more powerful than evil in the end, is that not a incredible spiritual message? You see the understanding of your true nature is only the beginning of this journey. You then have the rest of your life for this understanding to permeate in all areas, and to express this understanding in a way that is unique to you, whether that is through being a Spiritual Teacher, through health& fitness, a therapist/ relationship councillor or a writer, or even a Coffee Shop worker who serves each customer with Love and treats everyone in a friendly manner. The most important aspect is where the motivation is coming from, and the consciousness behind the work. Activites/Relationships etc are no longer a source of happiness, but simply a means to express this happiness and love, and it can be done in infinite ways! Sorry if I came across harsh, I'm really not meaning to, it's just such a common misunderstanding that things 'aren't spiritual' when in reality EVERYTHING is The Self, everything is THIS, it is simply about 'upgrading' our desires and motivation behind this actions and then expressing this happiness and understanding in all areas of life. Once you are completely happy, at peace and fulfilled what is left but to express this in your life, and help others also understand this? Just so you know, I am not saying MANY shouldn't stop playing games, I did for a while, as it wasn't helping on my own journey, but post-awakening I have began playing again and merely see it as a fun way to have some fun! I no longer rage and scream like when I was 14 LOL, and simply enjoy the game. I mainly play sport games when I can't actually play sport (thanks Corona) and have some fun with friends! Remember, life is to be enjoyed and fun It doesn't have to be a spiritual struggle!

@RendHeaven Sometimes all it takes is planting a seed in someone's mind to get them started on this journey. Also, your case sounds like quite an addictive one, so it is best for you to quit video games for now, for many others they can play for hours all weekend and then not play all week if they're busy. It's a bit like all other 'addictive' activities and substances, some people can have 1 drink and go home, others can't just have 1 drink and end up spending all night in the pub despite needing to be up at 6 am for example. For example, with me I can play some Fifa with my friends occasionally in the evening for a few hours, come off, and then not play for months. Like before the whole Corona situation I hadn't touched Fifa since October, but I'll be playing regularly over the next few months, then once we're allowed back out and summer is here, I'll leave it again. It sounds you're the latter when it comes to Video Games, just like I am with junk food, so I simply don't start with it or ever buy it anymore. Therefore, as you said, at least until you can develop a healthier relationship with games. it's best to let them go and develop healthier hobbies and habits. In terms of @Raptorsin7 plan we've spoken in detail about it and to me it sounds awesome. Yes, the main purpose is around helping people awaken, but even just by getting gamers into things like meditation, mindfulness, healthy emotional expression, healthy living etc, you will create a much more positive gaming community that becomes a way of expressing happiness and having fun, instead of raging and racism every 10 minutes. Like most other hobbies, Gaming can be a healthy way to have some fun, but by most Orange companies these games have been bred to be addictive to maximize profits and in-game purchases, but, as society develops so will these games to focus on creating the best product and not just bleeding their customers dry. Also, such a large proportion of young people play video games, having a business that helps people play them more consciously and develop themselves simultaneously is certainly what we need. E-Sports is a rapidly growing industry with people like Ninja doing advertising with global celebrities like David Beckham! Just like with most things, for the majority we don't need to get rid of Gaming, just 'upgrade' how we play it so it becomes an expression of happiness instead of a way to just rage and screams for hours on end. Teaching young people things like how to express emotions, breathwork to calm their anger, meditation, mindfulness, awakening, etc is extremely beneficial. At first, you may have to water down the teachings, but that's okay because even meditating to help reduce anxiety and anger is an amazing place to start, who knows, eventually it may lead to Self-Realization. I do have to agree though, like I said, that in your case it sounds best to drop the games. Maybe, this is something @Raptorsin7 could think about, in terms of helping people who are severely addicted to games, drop them and develop healthier habits for them, as like you said these games can be incredibly addictive. So I wouldn't say this can't work but of course, ideas can be developed and using Spirituality along with many other things to overcome addictions such as these sounds like a great Branch for this business to have. Maybe you can share how you are doing just this?

@TheUniverseIsLove Yep. You can take action in terms of getting healthy meals and drinks prepared, self isolating for a while, taking care f loved ones etc without the mass panic!

@DivineSoda Yes, that's exactly what we can see it as! A time for reflection and growth on an individual level. All I hope is that globally it helps evolve our social and financial structures but I have little control over that, I have much more control over what I can do in my own life and business, so that's where I put my focus (Although I admit I still watch David Icke from time to time to hear the worst-case scenarios!) @Jkhv1 Trust me!! His courses are half price and just picked his main one up, I LOVE cold showers and the breathing, need to implement the stretching as it's something I've neglected for years.

@DivineSoda Yes, such an amazing post. As well as spiritually, it's a time to 'purify' our bodies, we have the time to exercise, clean up our diets, practice true breathing and Self-Care, etc. There are no social events so no need to drink alcohol and for love of God I hope a disease affecting the lungs makes people quit smoking. We can treat this as a retreat and give ourselves the love and attention we are craving in all areas, as well as showing gratitude for those around us I often feel Body, Health and Diet can be neglected in Non-Dual circles sometimes, but to me, it is a fundamental expression of love to treat our bodies with love and care and give them what they need to function at their best!

@SoonHei Well summarised!

Loving Kindness Meditation Wim Hof Method- Gratitude Journal Do things you enjoy- Sports, Exercise, Gaming, read - Life is to be ENJOYED, go and have FUN Awaken to love

@Inliytened1 Well said as always man Seeking does take us further away, but for many is also the initiation into this work, to realize that the Small I you believed yourself to be was always a huge fiction, and all along it has been The Absolute running the show and The Absolute is of course what 'You' truly are! Just wanted to add you're not Human, but also need to embrace your unique humanity, and are completely free to do that after awakening, it's a huge paradox like most of this work. For example, there's still a personality post-awakening, you'll still have an Enneagram type etc but you KNOW the true nature of your own being and abide as that 'through' this unique expression. And, then life is simply enjoyed in every moment. You get to abide in Non-Dual awareness 24/7 and experience our unique humanity simultaneously and it is the final joy and happiness I've probably butchered the wording and made it sound like a 'Separate Self' exists, which is NOT what I'm saying, there is NO separate self, it is simply the Absolute/God expressing itself through this vehicle and it is the same for every living being alive, just 99.99999% are not aware they are God! Also, I'm in self-isolation at my GFs families house for 30 days, so am free for a call anytime, I'll message you and let me know when you're free!

As the others said, what these Yogis do has nothing to do with Self-Realization really, these methods may help them attain it potentially, but it's not like you have to go fast for a week and do crazy things to be classed as awakened. And, also like others have said, people love states, not just 'spiritual' people but ALL people, or there wouldn't be global Alcohol and Drug problems would there? With seeking what happens is the focus turns from traditional means of happiness and becomes the 'search' for happiness in Enlightenment. There IS an end to seeking and that is the realization of the nature of your own being. Normally called 'Self-Realization' for some it comes suddenly- Ramana Maharshi- for others the realization comes after working with a teacher over a more gradual time period- Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille. My advice would be if there is even a slither of seeking or wanting something more, keep going in terms of finding the truth about your own being. You'll know when you have 'arrived' (shit word I know) at the End of Seeking, and are now simply abiding as The Absolute. In terms of common 'markers' of those fully self-realized teachers things such as them saying- Only The Self/Absolute/etc Exists, No Enlightened Person, No Other, Everything is Perfect as it is among several other things. Also, just because these Yogis can do crazy shit does not mean they are necessarily Self-Realized, of course some will be, but it's the same with Monks, just because you're a Monk/Yogi doesn't mean you instantly awaken, it's not like a driving test where once you get in the monastery you've now passed and are awake. It doesn't matter where you are or who you are, anyone can know the true nature of their own being, whether they're sitting at home in Quarantine watching Friends, or on the Himalayas 7 hours deep into meditation. Also, you have to remember cultural influences here as well. India is a very Spiritual/ Religious culture, for example a typical Hindu path would raise a family, then move into the forest to pursue this work deeper, so where we are brought up idolizing fast cars and famous people. I imagine it's very different in India, or at least used to be pre-commercialization. Like, personally I do not want to become a Yogi/ Monk, but others on here might do Sorry for the rant, I often do this. But, yes Seeking does end, You can realize the truth of your own being and like others have said the Human work never ends though, until you drop this body!

You're already dead

@Commodent Literally got an email from his team this morning looool, and yes, since it's free and is like a natural high it's something I'll be adding to the morning routine forever I imagine, and while Corona is around at night too!

Was gonna make a separate post but just wanted to add it here- Wim Hof's breathing methods and cold therapy are worth a try, they also make you feel AMAZING after a 1-5 minute cold shower, followed by his 10 minutes guided breathing exercise. It's pretty easy to do and in total including the shower probably takes 15-20 mins, I'm personally going to be doing this every morning and evening while the virus is around, will be interesting to see if it helps my sinuses as well. Seen some great testimonials and Wim himself has been tested on a lot. Oh, and it's FREE to take a cold shower and then breathe for 10 minutes!

You did what was best for you and bought the console, and right now it isn't a part of your path and that's cool. But, like others said, Video Games can simply be a healthy recreation like many other recreations, when used mindfully and not abused. If you're the sort with a addiction to games best not to play. If you can play for a few hours, then have a busy week and not be fussed about not playing, then simply enjoy the game when you play and it's as simple as that. Life is to be enjoyed after all. With me, I have no problem with Video games, I can play some Fifa with friends for a few hours then not touch it until I have the spare time to do so again, and I work in my room next to my PS4. However, with junk food I know if I have a tiny bit of Ice Cram/ Sweets/ Chocolate etc I end up binging and overeating, so I just don't buy those things anymore. Each of us are unique and part of this work is getting to know ourselves on a human level and finding out what works for us and our own goals in life. Some people just want to play Video Games all day, and while it probably isn't healthy long term if they are a professional player, or a streamer and make a career out of it, then why not. If that's their purpose to entertain and teach through Video Games, I saw go for it. However, for the average player like us who aren't making a living off of games, they should just be like any other hobby and consumed when we have the time for them. And, if we feel it is doing more harm then good, we simply learn to drop the habit as you did- congrats. But, there's nothing inherently 'wrong' with video games, of course some companies make them to be as addictive as possible, so just be careful of that and play games you truly enjoy and it's as simple as that really