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Just to add some 'unbias'

Precisely. It's a natural interaction, they know how to flirt, how to escalate, how to add humerus sexuality into the conversation etc. To me, 'Pick Up' is simply helping you do this in a refined way. Most of the best PUAs seem to come from a completely introverted, anxiety ridden childhood, I guess that's where a lot of the drive comes from. Kinda like how a lot of spiritual teachers are motivated by the extreme suffering. (I know I was!)

@anthony_sh1 Exactly, it's basically conscious marketing but with yourself lol. Nobody wants to be sold a shitty product, everyone loves buying things that improve their life.

True awakening goes full circle, you can live an 'ordinary life' but it will never be the same, you'll be completely happy and fulfilled The 10th Ox Herding Picture- X. Entering the Marketplace with Extended Hands Preface: All alone, the gate shut so tight–not even the thousand sages can comprehend. Hiding his light he strays from the tracks of the sages who have gone before. He comes round to the market with his gourd dangling and returns to his hut clumping along with his staff. He shows up at the drinking places and fish stalls to awaken all to their buddhahood. Verse: With bare chest and unshod feet, he walks into the market, daubed with dirt and smeared with ashes, laughter fills his face. Without using mystic arts or divine powers he makes withered trees at once burst into flower. Waka: Hands extended, feet in the sky–on a dead branch perches a bird. https://ordinaryzensangha.org/ten-oxherding-pictures/

@anthony_sh1 Yeah definitely, sadly, there is more money to be made keeping people on the hamster wheel...look at Big Pharma lol. Yep, Social Skills is name of the game, most of it boils down to compliance and overcoming objections in terms of the 'technical' side of game, essentially becoming more and more of a 'refined natural.' But, yes I haven't really checked out Derek,so can't comment. I see PU as a way to become your best self, and live your dream life, people using as a way to manipulate are really missing out imo, but learning the skillset of something like Cold Approach is of course super important.

@kag101 Yeah Mystery made some key developments, but failed to evolve, he still advocates asking for a girls Skype...in 2020 lol, imagine actually doing that ?? He also promotes “Negs” which is subtly lowering the girls value, personally think that is BS & peacocking like you said, just find your own style and own it! But his stuff on compliance and comfort & DHVs is pretty spot on. It’s why I despise companies like RSD who flat out lie and say “looks and money and status doesn’t matter!” Of course it’s not the be all end all, but you think girls are gonna turn down the likes of Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio, of course it matters to an extent. To he honest, I think there are fundamentals to learn, like how to approach, build attraction and comfort (eye contact, tone, physicality etc), overcoming objections whatever they may be & building compliance + investment, but more so than anything like we agreed it’s about becoming the best man you can be, and of course that involves improving your “game” (basically your ability to communicate well & attract women) but goes far beyond that into all areas of life. Like is a genuinely stunning and amazing girl going to date a dude who doesn’t shower, plays WoW all day and lives with his mum? Probably not.

@lennart Being that blunt upfront isn’t necessary if you show what you want in how you act and your body language. If you have a platonic interaction she will see you as a friend unfortunately. Physical contact is a good sign, sexualising the conversation in a humerus way is always a great idea, but not in a weird or creepy way just make jokes when you can& talk about it openly, sex isn’t a big deal! Just don’t start acting weird or creepy.

@anthony_sh1 I agree that manipulation & lying is completely wrong, but instead, why not use PU to help develop yourself into the man you want to be and become your best version. Any “canned” techniques are pretty BS and simply a starting point, true “game” sure involves some “tactics” but I wouldn’t even call them that, it’s more just learning how to communicate effectively with women. Just like if you went to the gym & didn’t know how to lift weights someone would help you, you wouldn’t just lift them incorrectly and not fix them would you? It’s about becoming the man you want to be, like you said, while learning the fundamentals of attraction and comfort without being manipulative or lying, yes it’s possible! Good “game” looks as natural and authentic as possible, the dancing monkey kind of game is just stupid & unnecessary. I find it funny you mention about manipulation & lying and then think RSD are some sort of saviour in this. RSD are the perfect example of exploring guys, lol. They have 30+ online products for guys to purchase, and know exactly how to make them feel so that “this one will be the answer” and keep them on the RSD hamster wheel. Then look at stories from their boot camps, most say they barely spent any time with the instructor they paid for, and were with “assistants” The whole biz model of RSD is based on you spinning your wheels and not getting any results lol. For example a guy who was working with RSD Todd was told he was doing very well, yet hadn’t been with a women in the 9 months he was going out, but Todd said his skills were “improving.” I would never ever recommend anyone learn this from RSD lol. They of course have some great stuff, but the whole biz model is pretty flawed imo. Imo, Dating/ Attraction, is about becoming the best man you can be, and that includes learning social and communication skills with women (and men) & doing so in an authentic way that doesn’t involve you manipulating or lying to girls, but just being your best authentic you. There is a huge difference between attraction and manipulation.

@Consilience well put, and yes, when the news drops it can just become an exploration or a fun thing you do with friends (or alone) from time to time instead of a habit, which it sadly is for so many people. @Aaron p thanks bro

@WisdomSeeker yeah PWF is, but the guy he’s interviewing isn’t, that was the point, that dude is married, all he’s interested in is optimum longevity and T levels for health and well-being, your call if you wanna watch, he goes over some vital info.

@WisdomSeeker Watch this bro, the guy runs a clinic literally around this, and goes other the exact topic-

I agree to an extent especially with certain sports such as bodybuilding, you are essentially destroying your body to reach the top, although I feel it’s important not to dismiss it completely, watching the 90s greats like Dorian Yates has showed me it does way deeper. I feel a healthier desire is to be the best you can be possibly be, while maintaining your health in the best way possible & doing it simply for the love of the game. For example, I play recreational cricket, and have been paying a coach to improve, and honestly it’s helped so much and made me enjoy the sport even more, I feel most sport/ skill games are like tbis, the better you get, the more you can enjoy it, but I feel a “stage yellow” approach would be to compare yourself to yourself, instead of everyone else, and doing it because you enjoy and love it. Also, retirement can be a great chance for deeper inner work, I hope we see this more and more. I for one am very excited to see sports grow and develop from our stage orange society, they have so much potential! Sorry for the rant, but I feel many on this forum misunderstand and judge sports unfairly, like anything they can be amazing and beautiful, and in fact, being completely involved in a sporting endeavour is a very spiritual experience. Sadhguru’s article here highlights a healthy mindset around sports and games- https://isha.sadhguru.org/global/en/wisdom/sadhguru-spot/be-a-sport I do agree regarding nutrition though, that needs to evolve in sports to once that supports overall longevity and wellbeing, that is something that will evolve very soon I imagine

@Leo Gura Happy for you bro that your sober state is getting to the point where you don't need to trip <3 @CultivateLove You'll eventually reach a point where 'sobriety' is so fucking good, you can take or leave any drug, and just use them occasionally for fun, instead of out of habit or need.

@Aaron p @Consilience 100% agree, daily use of Weed is way too common and habit forming, should be used much more sparingly, id also even argue when you haven’t got too much planned the next day, I did it a lot at 17/18 and noticed the effects in my last year of school. Plus, this way it takes like nothing to get high, I have friends spending £20-30 a day on weed, it’s crazy.

Sexuality becomes an expression of this love & happiness, instead of a search for it. you no longer use to fill a hole, but to express yourself. Whether you have sex or not depends on each unique being, for some it means celibacy for others it can mean a flowering of their sexuality, Ruperts video sums it up well.

Read 1000 By Ramaji, it very much clears up the many differences in spiritual teachings, and why there are subtle differences. Hint- Awakening has depths to it. A Neo-Advaitan like Tony Parsons or Fred Davis hasn't had the same realizations and integration as guys like Ramana Maharshi or Francis Lucille. This isn't to say they aren't awake, just that there are depths.

@universe Amazing if I’m honest, skins so much clearer, most shredded I’ve ever been (and eating more), more energy, just overall better. Its not that “fat is bad” more so that a lot of foods high in fat and protein tend to feed diseases and viruses in our body. id recommend reading tbis- https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/truth-about-the-ketogenic-diet

@Dlavjr Sounds like you’re looking for somewhat of a “higher” perspective on relationships, and currently you subconsciously feel guilty for wanting to pursue relationships and your own sexuality, instead of embracing both. Relationships and sexuality are 2 ways in which you can express the Non-Dual understanding, and express the love and happiness you feel, and are a great way to celebrate life, and allows 2 beings to connect deeply. As does sex. here’s a few video that may help. Dont feel guilty for wanting a relationship or wanting to have sex, both are amazing!

Of course absolutely it would make no difference whatsoever, but if you’re going to survive, you’d rather do it well right, instead of half asssing life? I know where this question and thought arises from, and absolutely it’s true, there’s no difference whatsoever. But, you could easily switch it the other way- Why not have a nice job& a comfortable life, spirituality doesn’t always have to be about suffering, you can enjoy the beauty of life while “you” are experiencing this, and then when your time is up, so be it. I mean you have eternity, what’s the rush ?

^^^^ You’ve hit the nail on the head. If you wanna be vegan long term you gotta educate and take action, it’s not for the lazy. With animal products, you can get everything you need, but you get all the extra shit that comes with it. With veganism, you have to make sure you are getting everything you need, but don’t get all the extras. The reason people see short term effects is they cut out a lot of the bad stuff, but often fail to truly add in all the stuff they need leading to deficiencies. Id recommend Dr Gregor, Simnett Nutrition, Medical Medium (not Strictly vegan but my fave atm) & Dr Fuhrmam (Nutrtitarian diet) good luck @javafly

@lostmedstudent Usually start off with lemon juice first thing, then the celery juice, then will have A load of Fruit & Veg in the morning. MM recommends his heavy detox smoothie, but I can’t get my hands on wild blueberries round here. I think he has recipes on his website @mandyjw Im the same! When I first heard of him, I thought he was a crazy whack job, now I realise I wasn’t ready for it at the time! @Keyhole Yeah I’m not sure regarding Gallbladder, I didn’t see anything in the book regarding that, but I skipped over a lot of the individual issues that weren’t related to me, as it gets quite dry him saying how much it helps literally everything haha. I guess nothing is for everyone, but a lot of people have had great results with the MM protocols beyond celery juice.

@Hello from Russia I recently broke up with my GF about 6 weeks ago, and decided to quit porn then, as I knew it would be too easy to fall into, as I was living with her during Quarantine, been tough, but definitely worth it IMO.

All great works of fiction come from that place, as that is where true creativity is born. For example, the Overarching message in Harry Potter is that Love is the most powerful force in the world. If that isn’t a non-dual truth than what is?

@Galyna Great points of view! True friendship is very loving, meaningful connections are beautiful.

@Raze This! Using quitting porn to develop yourself in all areas of life is the key, not just starting at a clock counting how long you’ve gone without it, if you’re a casual user, like once a week, it’s nowhere near as big a deal to someone watching it daily or multiple times a day. It’s also easy to rationalise as nobody’s arguing it doesn’t feel good.