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@peanutspathtotruth I agree, to me overcoming addictions is simply part of integration which I class as 'part of the process' as you say, there is no end point, it is a forever deepening and maturation exploration. I would certainly say there is an end to seeking, but in terms of deepening that never ends, how could it? I couldn't agree more with what you have said, awakening is simply like being reborn, not the end of the path. @Nahm So, say an addict comes to you, would you recommend them deal with their addictions pre or post awakening, or as part of the awakening process?

@dimitri Yes I happily admit I'm heavily biased towards transmissions lmao, but that's literally because they helped so much- no one right path for everyone

@Nahm As in focus on just awakening, when one is ready? @Forestluv Perfect summary.

This gem summarizes the 'issue' of Desire really well, desire is our life force, but when we are dependent on the fulfilment of our desires for happiness, we become attached to the outcome, instead, when we are happy & at peace naturally, we can then see life as simply a celebration and loving game we choose to play each day, and from this place we are free to do whatever our heart 'desires'

Because it often takes an un-learning and direct experience to get it yourself, no matter how much someone drums it into you. Words, Books & Videos can only take you so far. Meditation & Self-Inquiry is designed to help you access the silence within you, even the simplest Guided Meditations for reducing Anxiety are often doing this. Transmissions are the most direct way of doing this as Ramana Maharshi noted, he only 'invented' self-inquiry for those who weren't ready for silent transmissions. Now, don't get me wrong, words and what not have their place, we're using words right now, but the highest teaching is always silence. To me it sounds like you're trying to figure everything out with your mind, I've been there. Keep up with the sessions with Ramaji and getting RASA, then come back to this post in a year. Don't expect the world after one session or one meditation, and just stay strong!

I feel like @Nahm will be able to help out here as he will of had students who had behaviour and addiction issues pre and post awakening, and if you don’t deal with the issues head on beforehand, then you will have to “clean up the shit” post, but a lot of people still aren’t ready to give up certain behaviours for a while post awakening, I’ll give you my personal example with Porn. I always thought like you did that awakening would end all behaviour issues and addictions and bad habits, but it just isn’t the case at all. These habits are hard wired into us, and require dealing with, sure awakening definitely helps, as your true nature is seen & abided as, and the “I-Thought” is eliminated. But, at the same time, addictions can literally change how your brain works, on a relative level, this is where integration of the awakenings is key, and can even involve more “traditional” methods such as psychotherapy, which is why I harp on about the fundamentals of life so much. For example, Shinzen Young said years after his final awakening, he had to return to see a psychiatrist to deal with some behaviour and addictive patterns he was showing, and he said it helped him deal with them, that is true integration, admitting you have a problem, and not just washing over it with Advaita But dealing with it! For me, it took finding a specialist & implementing things like habit replacement & understanding the core reasons for the behaviour, as Porn literally rewires your brain in regards to sexual stimulation, which is why it is such a danger for young males especially, for me this took more than just awakening to overcome. Finally I would also like to add there is a difference between enjoying something like say a Pizza, alcohol or even recreational drugs like Weed as part of a celebration, having fun or what not and these actions coming from a place of lack and need or to find & seek happiness. Francis Lucille talks about this & being able to distinguish where these behaviours is coming from is key. For example, if you have a need for these behaviours to truly be happy & at peace then it is coming from lack & needs to be addressed, if it is coming from wanting to celebrate life, and enjoy yourself and if you can’t get that bottle of wine with your friend and you’re okay Either wine then it is likely coming from a place of celebration

@Raptorsin7 Yeah, defo easier to deal with anything like that when The I thought has been seen through. But, as you say it’s also the understanding and having the desire to change it. These beings may enjoy their excessive eating or caffeine consumption, and may not wish to change, personally I would say if you have any serious addiction / issues like being obese say, these should be worked on with additional things aside from typical awakening work. There’s a reason there’s so much research & work being done related to addiction, it’s not always the easiest nut to crack. But, what if they don’t see it bad, maybe they don’t understand that excessive eating is as bad as it is, or the effects of caffeine, or maybe that particular drive has not been weakened, we have to remember these beings are still human, they are not magical saints who are perfect. I defo agree awakening / enlightenment helps with addictions and problematic behaviours as usually they are done to fill a void, but habits can be strong and take time to break if they have been reinforced for decades, which is why their is dedicated schools of thought to help just do that, and personally I think extra things aside from awakening needs to be done. Awakening will not solve all of your problems. For example if you’re poor, don’t expect to have an awakening and become rich, unless you do the work to uncover your limiting beliefs around money, change them, understand the law of abundance and how reality works, and then take action in your career / business / investments. same can be said for anything

@Consilience All I can say, is read his books, or watch him on a podcast he’s been on, this the usual response he gets as a lot of the foods on his avoid list are things people like. If it feels good for you, eat it mate, doesn’t matter what me or anyone else says really, I haven’t eat Eggs for years anyways. @universe He essentially says the issue is people are then using Adreanaline & caffeine for energy which can cause issues long term, I used to follow Kinobody who promotes Coffee as a way to blunt hunger. @Osaid I’m not looking to change anyone’s mind, I’m just sharing what I’m doing and what works for me long term, I’d recommend reading his books before judging, goes into quite a lot of detail on each topic you mentioned, and of course into the Ketogenic diet and the issues long term with any kind of high fat, low carb diet. But, at the end of the day, you don’t have to follow the advice, follow whatever works for you. The reason I follow him is he has 10000s if not 100,000s of testimonials in regards to healing chronic disease with his methods, and I am most interested in longevity and optimal health & preventing chronic disease, while we’re young it’s fine, you can basically get away with anything, not so much as we age.

So you can feel your best at all times, and because exercise and eating healthy is not only extremely fun when you get into it, but is like a natural high 24/7 when you constantly fill your body with good food 24/7 and are always exercising. I used to be fat as a child, it took bullying for me to realize this, that definitely scarred me, and I ended up getting too skinny when I was around 13/14, I then joined the Gym when I had severe acne at 15 and found Veganism and just became obsessed with health, now I go to the gym and eat healthy because I love to, want to feel as good as possible, and want to be in good health and live as long as possible, I don't want to grow old in a terrible way like the majority of people do, due to years of poor eating and dietary habits. Of course it is 'okay' to be fat, accept yourself where you are at now, instead of coming from a place of rejection, you don't need to be in shape to be happy or complete. But, also understand that being overweight increases your risk of basically every disease out there, weakens your joints and bones, weakens your immune system and can leave you feeling sub-optimal a lot of the time. That is not meant to be offensive, it is just like telling a smoker they are more likely to get lung cancer, but it doesn't mean it's not 'okay' to smoke, we have absolute freedom to do whatever we want. My advice would be find out what being in shape will mean to you, why you want to do it FOREVER (diets are bollocks mostly, it needs to be a lifestyle) find exercise and nutrition you can truly enjoy, and start developing healthy habits. For me, eating healthy and exercising is simply a habit. So, find out WHY you want to get in shape and be healthy, I know mine and I'll NEVER go back to eating unhealthy or stopping exercising, I LOVE it way too much, and it's just so fucking fun!

@Gesundheit You're right, anything and everything can be a trap for humans, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is. The majority of people seek happiness in things, people, relationships, anything outside of themselves. Many of start the spiritual search as a yearning for absolute peace and happiness, as we know NOTHING can make us absolutely happy or at peace, only the realization and abidance as our true nature, for then we are completely fulfilled, at peace& happy, and life simply becomes a celebration. From this place, we can enjoy things without being attached or without a 'need' for them, and life is simply a vacation, in which we have absolute freedom to live. The 'ultimate goal' you talk of is happiness is it not? You want to be happy & at peace, and uncover the truth. This 'ultimate goal' doesn't then mean you have to sit around and do nothing all day, every day, you can if you want to, but you don't have to. What it means, is you no longer are searching for that elusive happiness in the world, as you know it is here, right now, always. I really recommend Tantric teachings such as Francis & Rupert, they helped me so much on this path. Also, can I ask have you had a genuine awakening? When giving advice, it should come from a place of understanding and direct experience, not guessing or parroting from a book. I'm not accusing you here, but that's my biggest gripe with the forum, many on here are not happy or at peace themselves, yet give advice to others on how to be so, the blind leading the blind so to speak. I wanted to leave you with my favorite quote from Rupert, that sums this up perfectly, in regards to 'taking action' post awakening- "Peace is happiness at rest and happiness is peace in motion."

Don't set up expectations around awakening & enlightenment, especially around awakened beings. If you have a serious addiction, face it head on and don't expect awakening to fix everything for you, maybe Tolle & Hawkins don't want to give up their Caffeine, Ramaji is also overweight, awakened beings aren't perfect!

@Gesundheit The funniest thing about your statement is thinking that overcoming attachments means you can't do anything anymore, sure if you want to give up everything you enjoy in life forever, go ahead, but it won't make you more 'spiritual.' I used to think like you too, I thought I couldn't have sex, couldn't enjoy sport etc, when you truly awaken you realize life is simply a celebration to be enjoyed anyway you see fit, and that all of life is simply an expression of this understanding, this love, and this happiness, you no longer look for peace and happiness outside of yourself. It seems like you're describing the inward path, the time on a seekers journey where all that matters is discovering truth, and integrating the understanding in your life, but that is quite literally only half of the path. When you can actually live the understanding in your real life, when at work, when in relationships, when listening to music etc then you know you are truly integrating the understanding, it's a lot easier to be at peace sitting in a cave for 8 hours in the Himalayas, than it is when you have your baby screaming at 3AM, just some food for thought. Also, this is coming from a place of love, I did what you did and created beliefs that certain things weren't 'spiritual' and I couldn't be attached to my Girlfriend or family, all it done for me was make me aloof& seem disinterested, instead of allowing me to open my heart and love deeper and deeper, which true spirituality does. I really recommend teachers like Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille & Tantric teachings in general for understanding and integrating the outward path. There are no rules, that is absolute freedom for you, you can do whatever the fuck you want, and if you don't want to listen to music that' your call, but don't think you have to drop any of the things you enjoy forever, to be 'more spiritual', it's the biggest load of bollocks in this community and just creates issues down the line. @ivankiss Well said as per. And, yes, I actually listen to some of that 'junk' when I'm out with friends at social events, it's simply just a reflection of our Stage Orange values as a society, and like you said it can even be fun to listen to occasionally, but it isn't deep art as you said.

Life is a celebration after all!

Desirelessness is such bollocks, I'm sorry. Desire is literally your life force, without the desire to breathe, eat and drink you'd be dead. Peace isn't having no desires, true peace is being conscious of your true nature & abiding as that, no matter what you are doing, often this needs a period of retreat or the 'inward' path but eventually, the quote on quote 'goal' should be to abide as this peace and happiness no matter what you choose to do with your life. Awakening doesn't mean you have to sit in your room forever and do nothing, although you can if you want. Desire just evolves from being in the search of happiness, love and peace, to becoming the expression of these things, you are absolutely free to do whatever you want, from a place of love, truth and understanding- including earning a shit tonne of money, consciously of course I feel the mistranslated Buddha quote of 'Desire is the cause of suffering' has done more harm than good, it's a big issue when translating such intricate teachings between languages in which there is no direct translation for these words. It has made people believe desires are bad, instead of allowing them to liberate their desires from the separate self, to become an expression of this understanding, and live the life of your dreams, from love. The best way to express it is found in the Kabbalah- Desire for the self alone will never lead to satisfaction, but the desire for the self, in order to share, creates an unlimited ability to love and experience deeper and a never ending zest for life. Look at billionaires who only want more and more for themselves, they are never satisfied, compared to billionaires/ Millionaires coming from a more conscious place and desiring to share and spread love and happiness, those that give the most (not just in monetary terms) are always the happiest! But, this of course doesn't mean you create resistance around receiving, it just means you become in tune with the circle of life, you receive not just for yourself, but for the sake of sharing and celebrating this beautiful thing we call life, with other beings, always, for nature is always doing this, or we wouldn't be breathing right now! I would say evolve your desires, and get in touch with the natural cycle of life, instead of working against it like so many of us do, then you will always have more abundance than you could ever dream of

@BornToBoil Yeah man, I would reflect on this and learn as much as you can from it. Like others said I doubt you have hurt her as much as you think, she probably just disappeared to prevent the non stop messages, as she didn’t want to hurt your feelings too badly. But, the most important thing to do is start taking action, even if it’s only small, even if it’s only a walk everyday, or reducing the time you’re wasting bit by bit & gradually improve your life mate

Hey everyone, thought I’d create a topic about everyone’s favourite works of art. To me Art goes beyond just paintings and drawings, and by art I mean anything creative/ created by humans, so Music, Films, TV shows, Architecture, Cities, Sports/ Sports Games& Players, Books, Drawings&Paintings, Videos, Cars, Theatre Shows etc and anything else that falls under this umbrella of Art. Also, it doesn’t have to be about enlightenment or “high consciousness” I just mean anything you love or think was an awesome work of art, that moved you or that you just simply love. I think this could be an awesome discussion and open each other up to works of art we may not have been aware of before whether that’s an amazing album, film or sport, all of life is really simply art And is beautiful. Also, art is of course subjective so someone else’s favourite may not be yours and that’s what makes life even more beautiful.

@Consilience If he's helpful for you, so be it man. But some of his concepts are just complete bollocks if I'm honest, like waiting a week to text a girl after you see her....wtf? Depends what you class as success, do these people have actual objective results? I'm not meaning to be blunt, there's just a lot of charlatans in the industry, who exploit men who know no better, like RSD, guys pay $1000s for their bootcamps and come back knowing next to nothing new. Again, I'm not shitting on Corey Wayne, I just know there's better out there IMO, that can help people get results faster, that's all. And, by results I just mean helping that particular client achieve whatever their dating goals are, after all isn't that what dating coaches are supposed to do? I also am not against paying for something that is worth it, I would pretty much agree with the top 2 reviews on Corey's book- https://www.amazon.com/Winning-Heart-Woman-Dreams-ebook/dp/B004QOBAPK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&n=133140011&s=digital-text&linkCode=sl1&tag=understand0d4-20&linkId=06a738ae4c0a2cecf86a56101c256ead#customerReviews I'm glad he helped you, all I'm saying is there is likely better coaches out there, but my opinion means fuck all at the end of the day! @electroBeam I was talking about a teachers own results, I think in fields like this, if you're going to teach dating, you need to know what you're talking about. Just like I wouldn't listen to a fat Personal Trainer, I'm not going to listen to 'Dating Coaches' who haven't had any success themselves. I get what you mean, like Michael Jordan isn't necessarily gonna be the best coach, but you judge a coach by their student / teams results right? Like in football, Liverpool's manager Jurgen Klopp is judged by how Liverpool perform, and there are objective measures for that. The issue I have with a lot of the PUA industry is they string guys along. I heard a story of Todd V's students of 9 months who hadn't slept with a single girl in that time frame, yet Todd said he 'was making progress' to me that's just bollocks. To be clear, I'm not saying it's all about laycount or whatever, but surely after almost a year you'd hope to have some objective results in your own dating life, whatever that means for you. Yeah, I'd agree to an extent, true PU is more about becoming the best man you can be and being authentically yourself. It should be seen as a means of becoming your best self, not as a means to manipulate as many women into bed with you, you think Leonardo DiCaprio needs to manipulate Women> lol. Of course there's technical aspects and foundational stuff to learn, and key tweaks like with anything, but I agree, it's like Self-Help in the respect you should consume material and then act on it, not just constantly consume. Reading about lifting weights isn't gonna get you jacked.

Sorry to hear about this man. Sounds like you have a lot of inner work to do, as if you do get in a relationship you'll just end up projecting it when things ever show any signs of going south. I'd also look into basic Self-Development, and becoming the best man you can be. Hit the gym, start a business/ develop your career, sort out your nutrition, focus on nailing all your fundamentals and raising your value (relatively) as a Man. In terms I'm not too fond of, you've acted very Beta and like a Simp here, you've come across needy as hell, and girls can smell that a mile off. Not to be rude, but with that behavior most girls would run to the hills, maybe look into dating and more Conscious PU (not manipulating girls!) to improve your dating and social skills, while working on yourself as the most important thing. Good luck man, see this as the greatest life lesson and as a chance to start your journey to transforming yourself, not to make assumptions but I guess if you're meeting girls on Reddit you're spending a lot of time on Online forums, maybe start spending some of that time into more productive and useful things mate.

This graph basically sums it up, and remember this is for preventing and reversing illness and disease long term, so while people will say 'I eat x all the time and am fine!' that's not really the point, it's more what are the foods you'd want to eliminate if you want the best chance of staying at optimum health long term. Also, not saying I'm perfect.

@Consilience Yeah, I'm not saying it's absolutely right, but he's talking long term and not short term, same with the Keto and High Fat craze, you see people getting more shredded than ever on Keto & High Fat, but what is the damage being done long term would be my question. He is not saying don't eat them, if you feel great, great. Just be aware Eggs literally feed every virus & bacteria inside your body, so in the long run it increases your risk of disease. Here's an extract from his article on foods he recommends to remove, remember he is dedicated to long term health & healing from disease & chronic illness as well as preventing of course. 'Humans have eaten eggs for thousands of years. They were once an amazing survival food for us to eat in areas of the planet where there were no other food options at certain times of year. That changed with the turn of the 20th century, though—when the autoimmune, viral, bacterial, and cancer epidemics began. The average person eats over 350 eggs a year. That includes whole eggs and also all the foods with hidden egg ingredients. If you’re struggling with any illness, such as Lyme disease, lupus, chronic fatigue syndrome, migraines, or fibromyalgia, avoiding eggs can give your body the support it needs to get better. The biggest issue with eggs is that they’re a prime food for cancer and other cysts, fibroids, tumors, and nodules. Women with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS), breast cancer, or other cysts and tumors should avoid eggs altogether. Also, if you’re trying to prevent cancer, fight an existing cancer, or avoid a cancer relapse, steer clear. Removing eggs from your diet completely will give you a powerful fighting chance to reverse disease and heal. Eggs also cause inflammation and allergies; feed viruses, bacteria, yeast, mold, Candida and other fungus; and trigger edema in the lymphatic system. People who are diagnosed with Candida or mycotoxins are often told that eggs are a good, safe protein that will starve the Candida and mycotoxins. Nothing could be further from the truth. I know how popular eggs are. There’s a growing trend that promotes them as a major health food. Plus they’re delicious and fun to eat. If eggs were good for us in the current day and age, though, I’d be promoting them as such.' Whole article- https://www.medicalmedium.com/blog/foods-to-avoid-for-healing-chronic-illness When you fully read his books it makes more sense, but it depends on each person like you say, I'm vegan so haven't eaten eggs for 5 years anyways, but on podcasts he always triggers the host with the foods he says to avoid It's always 'But a little is okay isn't it'

Don’t know about the rest, but Meister Eckhart went beyond a typical “Blue” awakening, he tried to help others but most didn’t want to go beyond their awakening of primordial love with God, and therefore couldn’t pass this duality, Eckhart was able to, you can tell by his writings and teachings.

@Javfly33 honestly bro it sounds you like you need genuine Psychoatric help and basic PD stuff right now, enlightenment could just be confusing you more. I recommend reading books related to YOUR problems such as your anxiety. Also, what’s your diet & exercise routine like, are you sleeping 8 hours etc, let’s get the fundamentals sorted, any social life? Etc Just saying oh I know my problems are imaginary is neo Advaita BS and clearly isn’t helping you. you say you’re not evading but are looking for salvation in awakening, it’s time to face your problems head on and actually deal with them first of all mate. So, let’s start what problems have you been facing and for how long?

@Rasheed No wrongs or right (as long as you aren’t harming anyone & doing things consciously) just whatever you want is what you should go after man! In terms of LTR focus on becoming the man you want to be in terms of your best version of yourself, but learning some traditional game can help, as how you gonna find the one, without putting yourself out there? A lot of people get into PU to get a GF tbf

@Consilience No offence, Corey Wayne is bang average, maybe he’s better at relationship teaching, most of the biggest guys are pretty dog shit, including Tripp and RSD (the worst) RSD charge $1000s for boot camps and tbe guys come back still having no idea how to even approach a girl, they just fill them with concepts & feel good crap. @Rasheed Depends what you’re looking for, if you’re looking for advice for LTRs then I wouldn’t recommend these guys, but if want to learn traditional PU, how to increase your value as a man and create the dating life YOU want then I recommend these guys. Playing With Fire- Best for online & Tinder game, teaches you how to create an epic online profile and Run effective text game. Bradicus- he was the biggest hard case ever, now travels the world as a dating coach, he’s great at daygame. John Anthony- his views on life I couldn’t disagree more with, but he’s got more results than anyone in the community, let’s just say he’s dedicated a decade to this and slept with 1000+ women, Make of that what you will, but he knows dating, but I’d say you need to make his teachings to fit your own style.

Peace and happiness maybe? Im not sure why you think it’s not a good deal? You can still live life however you want and do all the “fun” things in life, whatever that means for you. It actually makes life better, there’s no resistance to the now, or to life, and you can finally enjoy each spontaneous moment? Im not sure what you think gets worse, but it allows you to live from love, happiness and understanding and life simply becomes a celebration and a permanent vacation- what’s bad about that? Im not sure who you’re reading or watching, but check out teachers like Francis Lucille, Rupert Spira and I highly recommend reading 1000 to clear up confusion around awakening.